Neuromancer
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Excuse me, did you just say catassers? :lolfirehawk12 said:
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Neuromancer
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Just out of curiosity where did you find that?fernoca said:Patch/update coming soon:
Sorry if this was posted already as a separate thread.
Anyway that's super good news.
Neuromancer
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Ah cool, thanks.fernoca said:
firehawk12
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Neuromancer said:
I feel like getting the top cars is like playing WoW for 40 hours to get purple armor or whatever.
Maybe I suck at racing games but I'll be fucked if I can win the last two elite races. Every fucking car the AI uses is faster than the ones I have access to, so I can't even catch up. Worse still is that the first place guy is so far ahead that I can't even use a power play on him and the second last map doesn't even have a route change.
I can deal with the AI cheating and gangbanging me because racing AI programmers have no idea how to write good driving AI. Nintendo invented the blue shell because they had no other way to penalize the player for being too fast, so all driving game developers just copied that idea and ran with it. But I literally can't even catch up to the AI in the lead. There's no skill involved - even if I run a perfect race, I'm still several seconds behind because my car is substantially slower.
This is the first time in a while that I've wanted to snap my game disc in half. The last time that happened was when I was playing GTA4: Gay Tony and in that case I erased it from my hard drive so I would never have to play it ever again.
I don't get why rewind is the worst thing to ever happen to racing games. I paid my money to play the game, I don't give a shit about the achievements and I just want the cars so I can play online without being last all the time. That's like saying regenerating health is the worst thing to happen to FPSes and that "real" gamers only play games with the shitty health kit system.
Phew. I just needed to vent I guess. I'm glad you guys seem to like this game, and hell, I like it too - but this frustration is just too much. Maybe racing games just aren't for me.
Neuromancer
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Dude I agree with you 100%. The career in this game is very frustrating. I got through it more out of force of will than anything. I like Black Rock a lot, but balancing the game fairly is not their strongest suit. Both this and Pure had a dynamic difficulty that gets way too hard (although at least in Pure there was a way to trick it into getting easier).firehawk12 said:rant
The weird thing is, in both S/S and Pure's quickplay modes, you can pick easy, medium or hard. I don't know why they don't just let you pick that for career too.
wind_steaker
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yes the AI does seems to be getting a lot faster than me as I progress through the episodes.
Anyone have an idea why the unlock codes don't seem to be working for me?
Anyone have an idea why the unlock codes don't seem to be working for me?
firehawk12
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Neuromancer said:
God, I completely forgot Pure. Why didn't I learn my lesson the first time? As a former President once said. "Fool me twice, well... you better not fool me again!"
I feel like the game requires some kind of patience or skill that I must be lacking. I wonder if Blur is the same way? I know you can't play online in that game either because you'll just get owned by all the guys with the fast cars, but I wonder if single player is shit. Hell, my friend told me that Mod Nation Racers has cheap AI as well. Argh.
Yeah really. For the achievement whores, just set an achievement for beating the game on hard and let the rest of us "normies" play the game and have "fun". I really liked Pure and I do want to enjoy S/S, but I don't think I'll ever buy a Black Rock game again.
Neuromancer
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I thought Blur's single player was worse, and equally difficult in some ways. Also there's no 'quick race' option, it's all just playlists in their career. I was not a big fan.firehawk12 said:
Anyway good news for us steering wheel users, Nick Baynes on Twitter says the title update after the next one will have improved wheel support.
CrunchinJelly
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"one after this"Neuromancer said:
So what does the next title update do?
Neuromancer
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...cjelly said:
fernoca said:
I don't know what to say, because I really suck at these, and somehow I managed to platinum this game. I don't have it with me right now so I can't check those races, but I know I Youtube'd some of them. What I can tell you is that what matters most is you being comfortable with the car you drive, not picking the fastest one. Also, try to use different routres than usual, as some are definitely faster. Then you might want to trigger a route-changing powerplay as soon as possible (if available), and drive defensively once you get in the lead. It took me a lot of tries, but I did it, and I'm sure you will toofirehawk12 said:
firehawk12
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Neuromancer said:
Figures. At least it was only 20 bucks.
crispyben said:I don't know what to say, because I really suck at these, and somehow I managed to platinum this game. I don't have it with me right now so I can't check those races, but I know I Youtube'd some of them. What I can tell you is that what matters most is you being comfortable with the car you drive, not picking the fastest one. Also, try to use different routres than usual, as some are definitely faster. Then you might want to trigger a route-changing powerplay as soon as possible (if available), and drive defensively once you get in the lead. It took me a lot of tries, but I did it, and I'm sure you will too
I just gave up and I'm trying for the "Beat the Team" achievements. Now my rant is that there should a quick way to restart races without having to go into the menu and reload the race. :lol
The driving and the helicopter/survival modes are fun. It's just the racing that makes me want to tear my hair out.
firehawk12 said:
Rewind is not the worst thing in racing games, but it would be the worst thing to have in this game. Power plays are the biggest part of the game, if you use rewind you know what is happening next, why bother? It's already too easy if you know the track, because only a couple of power plays are unavoidable.
What Black Rock should have done was give the option to choose difficulty level, but they made it hard on purpose so they could sell the "unlock all cars" DLC and in result they broke the single player and the online (because you need the better cars to compete).
wind_steaker
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Just finished the game, and really enjoyed it. There was one elite race that seemed ridiculously hard but I came back the next day and managed it first time, the difficulty really wasn't that high - and pales in comparison to rubber AI in Motorstorm 2.
Ending spoiler:
expansion or sequel? what do you want?
Ending spoiler:
80s Split Second?
Dedication Through Light
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wind_steaker said:
I hope that it means that there are both DLC levels and a sequel. The game is just awesome.
SN: Wow, lol how do I have the most posts in this thread, lol. I havent touched the game since release week (with those 40 hours)
Neuromancer
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wind_steaker said:
Definitely an 80's prequel :lol
Wow, thank god I rented this game and didn't buy it. Just played through the first 4 episodes and I think I'm done.
What this game does right, it does really well. The explosions and chaos are awesome and a lot of fun, and I personally thought my 5.1 system really added to the game, with the audio carnage really helping me feel the rush.
Unfortunately, it does pretty much everything else wrong. The cars are boring, I couldn't care less which car I'm using compared to any of the others, I typically just choose the highest one strength/non-strength available depending on the event. (I know, I should probably pay attention to all that other crap, but when I was paying attention at first I didn't notice any differences in how cars feel even when they have wildly varying stats, except for strength and non-strength.)
I don't like the sliding mechanic. Maybe I just suck, but I never felt like I really had control over it. Most of the turns I handled fine, but far too often I just found myself spinning out of control. I was also never able to get the boost mechanic that they talk about in the loading screens, where if you go into the slide, take the finger off the throttle, then hammer it down again you're supposed to get a boost? I never got it working. And I would also frequently find myself losing control of my car when there was a power up that happened somewhere near me, but not anywhere near close enough for me to be effected by the shock wave.
I thought about 2/5ths of the events were not fun. Specifically, dodging missiles, barrels, whatever. When I'm already frustrated that I don't have proper control of my car, it only makes me more upset when you put 4 explosion triggers right in the middle of a difficult turn and I'm helpless to try to avoid them. Sometimes I miss them, sometimes I don't, but it's never a result of my efforts. (Again, this might just be me sucking, but I've played numerous other arcade racers and been fine.)
The rubberbanding is bad. Like, REALLY bad. Especially in the Elite races, after the second one they just became a huge pain in the ass. To top it all off, every other car in the elite races is significantly faster then mine. I could be doing everything perfectly, have had 3-4 perfect turns with long straight aways in between, and I'm no farther to catching up to 1st place, and something like 3 cars pass me and I'm powerless to do anything until they get 20-30 feet in front of me so I can start hitting them with explosions. Bad, so very very bad.
But the thing that eventually made me turn the game off, on top of all this other crap, is the repetition. By the end of the third episode I felt like I wasn't seeing anything new. When the preview for the 4th episode was the big ship, which I'd already done like twice, I was incredibly disappointed. I'm sure there are a few more race track segments I missed, but I can't bring myself to slog through the same old tracks with all the bad gameplay just to get there.
So, I'd say I got a solid two hours of enjoyment out of this game. I have no interest in online because I know everyone's car is going to be 10x better then mine. It's actually almost too crappy even to be a worthy rental, but holy moly, if I had paid $60 for this game, I'd be writing mean letters to the developers right now. Will definitely stay clear of Black Rock in the future.
What this game does right, it does really well. The explosions and chaos are awesome and a lot of fun, and I personally thought my 5.1 system really added to the game, with the audio carnage really helping me feel the rush.
Unfortunately, it does pretty much everything else wrong. The cars are boring, I couldn't care less which car I'm using compared to any of the others, I typically just choose the highest one strength/non-strength available depending on the event. (I know, I should probably pay attention to all that other crap, but when I was paying attention at first I didn't notice any differences in how cars feel even when they have wildly varying stats, except for strength and non-strength.)
I don't like the sliding mechanic. Maybe I just suck, but I never felt like I really had control over it. Most of the turns I handled fine, but far too often I just found myself spinning out of control. I was also never able to get the boost mechanic that they talk about in the loading screens, where if you go into the slide, take the finger off the throttle, then hammer it down again you're supposed to get a boost? I never got it working. And I would also frequently find myself losing control of my car when there was a power up that happened somewhere near me, but not anywhere near close enough for me to be effected by the shock wave.
I thought about 2/5ths of the events were not fun. Specifically, dodging missiles, barrels, whatever. When I'm already frustrated that I don't have proper control of my car, it only makes me more upset when you put 4 explosion triggers right in the middle of a difficult turn and I'm helpless to try to avoid them. Sometimes I miss them, sometimes I don't, but it's never a result of my efforts. (Again, this might just be me sucking, but I've played numerous other arcade racers and been fine.)
The rubberbanding is bad. Like, REALLY bad. Especially in the Elite races, after the second one they just became a huge pain in the ass. To top it all off, every other car in the elite races is significantly faster then mine. I could be doing everything perfectly, have had 3-4 perfect turns with long straight aways in between, and I'm no farther to catching up to 1st place, and something like 3 cars pass me and I'm powerless to do anything until they get 20-30 feet in front of me so I can start hitting them with explosions. Bad, so very very bad.
But the thing that eventually made me turn the game off, on top of all this other crap, is the repetition. By the end of the third episode I felt like I wasn't seeing anything new. When the preview for the 4th episode was the big ship, which I'd already done like twice, I was incredibly disappointed. I'm sure there are a few more race track segments I missed, but I can't bring myself to slog through the same old tracks with all the bad gameplay just to get there.
So, I'd say I got a solid two hours of enjoyment out of this game. I have no interest in online because I know everyone's car is going to be 10x better then mine. It's actually almost too crappy even to be a worthy rental, but holy moly, if I had paid $60 for this game, I'd be writing mean letters to the developers right now. Will definitely stay clear of Black Rock in the future.
Neuromancer
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DLC news from Joystiq:
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/08/08/split-second-getting-three-dlc-packs-in-august-major-dlc-pack/
Car packs? No thanks (except for the free one). I am interested in the new environment though; hopefully it'll be something really crazy and different.
I may wait until they patch the steering wheel controls though, hopefully that'll come out around the same time.
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/08/08/split-second-getting-three-dlc-packs-in-august-major-dlc-pack/
Car packs? No thanks (except for the free one). I am interested in the new environment though; hopefully it'll be something really crazy and different.
I may wait until they patch the steering wheel controls though, hopefully that'll come out around the same time.
Yeah, I posted about it. Was mostly ignored. :lol
Is just one car pack, at the moment. The rest are liveries and the other one is an environment. Plus the free car. No price for the other things yet.
EDIT:
Joystiq's article is weird.
The original info from their Facebook, doesn't mention 3 car packs, which they admit is from were they got the info:
Maybe there are more cars... :lol
Is just one car pack, at the moment. The rest are liveries and the other one is an environment. Plus the free car. No price for the other things yet.
EDIT:
Joystiq's article is weird.
The original info from their Facebook, doesn't mention 3 car packs, which they admit is from were they got the info:
So, I don't know.
Maybe there are more cars... :lol
Neuromancer
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Oh I didn't see it. I guess we're not supposed to bury news in threads but I figured everyone who'd care would be here anyway.fernoca said:
I just finished this game today, got a gold on every stage. TBH I'm not sure why I carried on to the end, once they ran out of fresh tracks to throw at you they just upped the cheating AI and made the target times absurdly hard. I enjoy the online part of the game (even though it was completely broken thanks to the unlock code DLC), but single player was an absolute slog. I hope they are working on some new tracks and not just shitty new cars.
Neuromancer
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They are... September's DLC is new tracks.Ushojax said:
Some DLC just got released. Anyone try it out?
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/10/12/additional-split-second-dlc-revealed-survival-at-the-rock-out/
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/10/12/additional-split-second-dlc-revealed-survival-at-the-rock-out/
Neuromancer
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I'm going to hold off on any DLC until they fix controls with a racing wheel.
goldsoundz
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Picked this up at Best Buy yesterday for $20. The deal is good through tomorrow.
magnificent83
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Just picked this up for PS3 in the 20 Best buy deal, loved the demo so I should have fun in this game
KennyLinder
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Just got my Platinum Trophy on this. I finished the game just after it came out, but those two Time Trial trophies were kicking my ass. Then I switched to a slower car and got them easily! The fastest car is simply too fragile against explosions and unstable in the corners.
Good game overall, definitely a dirty pleasure title
Good game overall, definitely a dirty pleasure title
The more I play this, the more I'm not sure if I'm really having any fun.
I like the tracks, they are well designed with great shortcuts and variety thanks to route changes. I like the main game idea of dodging and attacking. Learning the courses and their tricks is a lot of fun.
But the game is ridiculously difficult for no reason. This is the first racing game I've played where on a straightaway you watch every other car zip past you because apparently their top speed is waaaay higher than yours. Normally in a racing game I'm used to being in 3rd-4th place and fighting my way through the top 3. In Split/Second I feel like I'm always hanging around 5-7th unless I get a breakaway to 1-3rd. Playing a racing game and driving around in 5th place out of 8 is not fun.
It also doesn't seem to make a difference what car you use because all the other cars are always faster!
The game also suffers from the Wipeout problem where 1st place car gets ahead and can't be attacked and meanwhile 2nd-8th are killing each other and only putting the entire pack further and further behind the 1st place car. This combined with the other cars all being much faster and perfect line drivers makes it really annoying. If you can somehow get ahead by about 7 seconds, you can take advantage of this yourself and as long as you drive a perfect line for the rest of the race you win. But most of the time you are behind and when you finally take out the 2nd/3rd place guys and become 2nd it tells you 1st place is 7-10 seconds ahead and there's just no way to ever catch up. Also elimination is just total bullshit because of how Split/Second is designed. You can be in 1st or 2nd, get instantly KO'd from the guy behind you and respawn with 1 second left on the counter and you're in last place and instant lose. I don't even think elimination should be a game mode because of the way the game mechanics work.
It feels like Burnout but without the awesome pure enjoyment of burnout and instead the cheap frustrating AI from games like Mario Kart/Motorstorm/GRID that just make you feel like an awful driver and make you go
And whyyyyy would you make a racing game and not include difficulty levels for the main mode? I think this is the first racing game I've played that doesn't offer any difficulty options. Racing gamers have very different skill levels!
Oh well, I really really hope NFS HP doesn't have ridiculous cheating AI. Too many racers in the last couple of years making SP way too hard for arcade racers. Probably in an effort to add "replay value" and "game length" because of all those hours retrying.
I like the tracks, they are well designed with great shortcuts and variety thanks to route changes. I like the main game idea of dodging and attacking. Learning the courses and their tricks is a lot of fun.
But the game is ridiculously difficult for no reason. This is the first racing game I've played where on a straightaway you watch every other car zip past you because apparently their top speed is waaaay higher than yours. Normally in a racing game I'm used to being in 3rd-4th place and fighting my way through the top 3. In Split/Second I feel like I'm always hanging around 5-7th unless I get a breakaway to 1-3rd. Playing a racing game and driving around in 5th place out of 8 is not fun.
It also doesn't seem to make a difference what car you use because all the other cars are always faster!
The game also suffers from the Wipeout problem where 1st place car gets ahead and can't be attacked and meanwhile 2nd-8th are killing each other and only putting the entire pack further and further behind the 1st place car. This combined with the other cars all being much faster and perfect line drivers makes it really annoying. If you can somehow get ahead by about 7 seconds, you can take advantage of this yourself and as long as you drive a perfect line for the rest of the race you win. But most of the time you are behind and when you finally take out the 2nd/3rd place guys and become 2nd it tells you 1st place is 7-10 seconds ahead and there's just no way to ever catch up. Also elimination is just total bullshit because of how Split/Second is designed. You can be in 1st or 2nd, get instantly KO'd from the guy behind you and respawn with 1 second left on the counter and you're in last place and instant lose. I don't even think elimination should be a game mode because of the way the game mechanics work.
It feels like Burnout but without the awesome pure enjoyment of burnout and instead the cheap frustrating AI from games like Mario Kart/Motorstorm/GRID that just make you feel like an awful driver and make you go
And whyyyyy would you make a racing game and not include difficulty levels for the main mode? I think this is the first racing game I've played that doesn't offer any difficulty options. Racing gamers have very different skill levels!
Oh well, I really really hope NFS HP doesn't have ridiculous cheating AI. Too many racers in the last couple of years making SP way too hard for arcade racers. Probably in an effort to add "replay value" and "game length" because of all those hours retrying.
Neuromancer
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Bepbo, not being able to pick difficulty and having to deal with blatantly unfair AI were hallmarks of their last game, Pure, as well. Supposedly both games are supposed to automatically scale the difficulty for you as you play, and you can see how well that worked out for them.
I have no idea why they keep doing it, especially when the difficulty options are there- in quickplay mode only.
I have no idea why they keep doing it, especially when the difficulty options are there- in quickplay mode only.
So I'm giving online a try right now and it's pretty fun. I noticed the same thing with Motorstorm. These games that have cheating AIs are more enjoyable when everyone is on the same playing field. The pack seems to stay pretty close to each other and I've been in 1st a lot even if I don't finish in first (wrecking yourself is the worst! :lol ).
I don't quite get how the online ranking system works though. Can anyone explain?
I don't quite get how the online ranking system works though. Can anyone explain?
KennyLinder
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stolin said:
Oh yeah sorry, I should of. I used the Cobretti GTS which may seem like an odd choice, but I got the Powerplant one after two tries (after trying a billion times with the Elite GT) and the Construction Site I got on my 2nd try ever on it. I never bothered even trying that one until I got the Powerplant one, so I was very surprised. Won it easily too.
There is a neat shortcut on that level which cuts out a cheeky chunk of the level out. When the big tipper truck gets thrown down the road and you enter the construction site and the building falls apart, head right and drive behind it. This will take you up a ramp to the L-Train track and you drive along there and jump off the end. If you do that correctly you drive under a building and cut a whole section of tight corners out. Works well.
The cobretti GTS is THE car to use online and offline the handling - speed ratio is awesome and correcting yourself from shockwaves is easy.
i slaughtered every single race once i started using this car
Made it the easiest platinum i have gotten yet
I went online and ranked from 99 to 1 in less then 2 hours often finishing over 10 secs ahead of the pack while everyone else used the top tier cars
think i won like 10 races in a row at one point.
once you finish the game and go online you'll know every track like the back of your hand and you'll soon see the GTS is the best car in the game and its not even a top rank car.
Game was far too easy and im usually pretty poor at racing games. Still.. loved it though and can't wait for a sequel
i slaughtered every single race once i started using this car
Made it the easiest platinum i have gotten yet
I went online and ranked from 99 to 1 in less then 2 hours often finishing over 10 secs ahead of the pack while everyone else used the top tier cars
think i won like 10 races in a row at one point.
once you finish the game and go online you'll know every track like the back of your hand and you'll soon see the GTS is the best car in the game and its not even a top rank car.
Game was far too easy and im usually pretty poor at racing games. Still.. loved it though and can't wait for a sequel