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[SPOILER THREAD] Suicide Squad
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Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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I don't remember it's a two second flashback. It's a reference to this painting. She also takes it out when they give everyone their gear but doesn't wear it.
Lights and Waves
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Understood, I just wish I knew if she wore the hat! All signs seem to point to her only wearing the catsuit, but not the hat itself. My 90s child self just wants to see the original Harley on the big screen.
Glass Shark
Banned
I didn't think it was possible, but I'm pretty sure Suicide Squad is worse than BvS. The editing of this movie was horrendous and I honestly can't believe the studio put their stamp of approval on it.
andythinkpad
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I drank milk that was 20 days expired. It took me 3 days because it was a 1L jag. I was fine.
I still want to watch it because it seem to fail in more interest ways than F4.
Glass Shark
Banned
I wanna know what happened here, because this isn't in the movie:
I can't wait for more people to see this so real discussion can happen
I can't wait for more people to see this so real discussion can happen
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
GAF-er who worked on the movie said it was an Enchantress illusion. Apparently they re-worked the ending quite a bit.
From the sounds of it I think the studio may have screwed it up after seeing what happened to BvS. All the Harley abuse scenes seem to have been cut.
Glass Shark
Banned
I really get the impression that this was intended to be R but someone got cold feet at the last minute and a bunch of stuff had to be redone. It doesn't explain all the bad editing but it does explain some especially egregious moments with incomprehensible cuts.
andythinkpad
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But Deadpool was selling like gangbuster. Why would they water it down?
Glass Shark
Banned
Deadpool is the wrong comparison to make. People shit on BvS for being too dark and gritty and they pivoted... even though the actual problems with BvS have very little to do with its tone.
I honestly forgot he was even in the movie by the end. You could've taken him out and it wouldn't have made a difference.
He was in 2 scenes. An alley scene where he had Deadshot arrested in front of his daughter. And a Joker/Harley Quinn chase scene that resulted in Harley getting arrested and the Joker escaping. These are flashback in the beginning. He doesn't show up after that.
Glass Shark
Banned
He also shows up in Deadshot's "wish fulfillment" vision at the end, where Deadshot kills him. And Bruce Wayne is in the mid-credits scene getting info on metahumans from Amanda Waller.
But all told he's in maybe 90 seconds of this movie?
Ah interesting...I saw an early screening. I wouldn't be surprised if they changed things up. The early spoiler is in-line with what I saw. However, the final version coming out this weekend could different. Not sure how much they could change though.
Ah completely forgotten about that. His scenes are so tacked on, it would've been inconsequential to the main storyline if they're removed completely.
I wasn't expecting much from Batman. On the other hand, I was so disappointing Joker was such a minor character though.
Glass Shark
Banned
Yeah, literally every scene with the Joker is in the trailers, and almost all of his actual lines are.
Just returned from a premiere here in Panama. That movie was definitely something.
Personal opinion:
It felt like too much shit happening at the sametime, editing was bad but not as bad as BvS, I agree with others that the 3rd act feels out of place from the rest of the movie, like putting together 2 different films.
Besides that what else hmm, ropeguy confirmed doomed as you al predicted, poor guy didnt even have an introduction. They toned down the world building stuff but you still have a couple of Justice League info shoved in there.
As other people said, a lot of Joker scenes are out of the movie, Leto's Joker was, idk ok at best Some sort of Joker Street Thug version would be a proper description
Overall I enjoyed it as a popcorn movie, until the end, to me all the magic, world ending stuff happening was too much for this type of movie.
My 2 cents
Personal opinion:
It felt like too much shit happening at the sametime, editing was bad but not as bad as BvS, I agree with others that the 3rd act feels out of place from the rest of the movie, like putting together 2 different films.
Besides that what else hmm, ropeguy confirmed doomed as you al predicted, poor guy didnt even have an introduction. They toned down the world building stuff but you still have a couple of Justice League info shoved in there.
As other people said, a lot of Joker scenes are out of the movie, Leto's Joker was, idk ok at best Some sort of Joker Street Thug version would be a proper description
Overall I enjoyed it as a popcorn movie, until the end, to me all the magic, world ending stuff happening was too much for this type of movie.
My 2 cents
Glass Shark
Banned
On paper Jared Leto sounds like he would be perfect for the Joker but in practice it just didn't work that well for me. Regardless of the costume and makeup (neither of which I really mind), he just didn't have strong characterization. I didn't get the feeling that he was actually crazy, just that he was eccentric, and that eccentricity never really felt truly threatening to me.
So many scenes just didn't make any sense.
The editing is terrible not to mention the writing. So bad.
Joker... Just no. The whole text messaging thing between him and Harley.. No.
I'll write some more later. Me and my friends are just pissed off how bad it was. We're still outside the cinema just ranting. So disappointed.
The editing is terrible not to mention the writing. So bad.
Joker... Just no. The whole text messaging thing between him and Harley.. No.
I'll write some more later. Me and my friends are just pissed off how bad it was. We're still outside the cinema just ranting. So disappointed.
Scrooge McDuck
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It's not disabled; it just had its safe mode activated. I don't know if that changed anything, though. Maybe the safe mode became void when the computer that remotely controlled it crashed and burned with the helicopter?
Yeezus H. Christ
Banned
Is the third act as bad as I've heard? LIke, Avengers-lite as Faraci described it?
It's pretty bad... It's a smaller scale then Avengers, but really badly executed. The fight choreography is terrible and the villains are lame. And the plans and goals of the squad are very unclear and vague. Not to mention it all ends very predictable, safe, and boring. I just wanted it to end by that point in the film.
Scrooge McDuck
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I'm not really sure what you mean by "Avengers-lite". The third act plays almost exactly like Guardians of the Galaxy minus the dance and the budget.
Yeezus H. Christ
Banned
As Faraci put it, 'faceless army, mindless action', or something.
Isn't Faraci the same guy who praised the final battle in AoU?
Yeezus H. Christ
Banned
No clue. I think he made that comment to say DC fans can't poke fun at Marvel fans for that particular complaint anymore because it apparently happens in Suicide Squad as well, with much worse choreography and action as Saya said above.
Portal in the sky and everything too yikes
Yup. That's pretty accurate. It doesn't even have an interesting faceless army nor entertaining mindless action.
Portal in the sky is there. The Enchantress is making some kind of machine to wipe out humankind. Her brother is there as well, walking around as a giant lava man with a stupid CGI face.
SuperEpicMan
Banned
So for the people who have seen it, I am curious as to what exactly happens between the Joker and Harley in this. Some of the trailers so far show the Joker breaking into Arkham or something, and diving into a vat of chemicals after Harley.
Also how much footage from this teaser was cut?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLLQK9la6Go
Also how much footage from this teaser was cut?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLLQK9la6Go
Yeezus H. Christ
Banned
how the hell did a movie as seemingly small-scale as Suicide Squad end up with fucking world-ending stakes?
that's dumb as hell. Save that shit for the Justice League
Scrooge McDuck
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Hmm, it doesn't actually have the faceless army during the third act. Just the Squad versus Enchantress and her brother. The battle doesn't last as long as Sokovia or New York either.
They actually tried to add some drama and character growth, so it's not just mindless action. I don't feel it lands that well, unfortunately.
Joker is madly in love with Harley.
At the time of the film, Harley is still imprisoned while Joker is still roaming free. There are a lot of flashbacks in the film and that's where most of the Joker shots are from. There is a flashback showing how Harley and Joker met, how Harley got caught (chase scene with Batman on the roof), and one about them jumping into a vat of chemicals.
Eventually, in a ridiculous scene, a prison guard slips a giant cellphone to Harley and she starts texting with Joker while she's doing the mission with the other squad members.
The film ends with Joker breaking into Arkham to rescue Harley.
Most of that teaser is in the film if I recall correctly.
Glass Shark
Banned
Where are you getting this from? They don't talk about it at all and the only thing to go on is that the screen says "DISARMED"
I just rewatched the trailer as a refresher. From what I remember, everything in there was actually in the movie, except possibly a few lines. I don't remember Deadshot saying "Let's go save the world" but that's really minor.
Amanda Waller explains in voiceover at the beginning that Harley was Joker's psychiatrist and then fell in love with him, but we're never told why or really given any reasons for it. It is literally just said "she fell in love with him". She helps Joker break out, he tortures/electroshocks her, then at some point later she willingly jumps into an Ace Chemicals vat for him, he jumps in after her, it seems implied they have sex in the vat of chemicals. Because of course they do.
Almost everything between Harley and Joker is flashback. At the very end, like literally the last shot, he breaks into Belle Reve with his crew to bust Harley out. And then he says "Let's go home."
SuperEpicMan
Banned
Cool, thanks.
Yeah, I don't get it either. Should've kept it small-scale. I'm not really familiar with these characters, so I can't compare, but in the film the big villains are basically The Enchantress and her brother. They want to destroy humanity because they were imprisoned for a long time.
Scrooge McDuck
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No, I'm very sure the screen says "SAFE MODE".
Yeezus H. Christ
Banned
lol
that's like Malekith-level motivation for a villain
are they at least entertainingly campy like Ronan was?
Nah, there is nothing entertaining about them at all. They don't look interesting, they don't do anything interesting, nor say anything interesting. It's all so cliched and boring. The Enchantress even gives one of those dumb villain monologues at the end while making some weird ass dance moves.
I forgot to mention there is also a hamfisted relationship between June Moore (Enchantress) and Rick Flagg. It's just ridiculous and doesn't feel believable at all.
Scrooge McDuck
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I actually think they should have gone all the way big scale. I mean, ignoring how contrived it is to gather a team "to stop a Superman-like threat" and then put a crazy woman, a man who can climb really well and a boomerang-expert in it, at the beginning I was intrigued by the question of "how the heck are they going to defeat someone like Superman?"
Then what we got are these faceless monsters that seem easily thwarted. At no point during the film did it really felt like a suicide mission.
Glass Shark
Banned
Exactly, especially considering their original goal was never even to face the Big Bad, it was just to extract Amanda Waller, which didn't seem all that difficult to do.
Speaking of which, what in the hell was with that "twist" that the person they were rescuing was Waller. It was set up to be this big reveal that changed everything but it fell so flat. I just don't get it.
I don't get why Waller would run her operation from a high floor in the middle of the city. I thought she'd be smart enough to be in a bunker somewhere far away from the danger and would monitor the situation from there.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Why was stopping Enchantress not in the Suicide Squad's original plan? They didn't decide to go after her until Waller got shot down. Was Waller just going to nuke her or something?
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Yes, that happens just like you describe it. It's not a very long scene though. Batman also captures Deadshot.
Glass Shark
Banned
This. I don't know why DC just can't write a simple, comprehensible, A-to-B script and have fun action along the way. SS wasn't as convoluted as BvS, but there was still so much unnecessary fat that could have been cut. But then if all that stuff got cut out the movie would be like 45 minutes long.
WrenchNinja
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Where's hawkman
Because DC or WB or whoever is in a rush to tie everything into a universe and try to force-establish things instead of letting the property, actors, and characters breathe and speak for themselves. This movie should've been a fun, quirky, Dirty Dozen dark comedy slam dunk because conceptually it's entirely different than any other comic film as of now.
I get the impression that corporate (including DC themselves) almost don't trust the properties to be successful without fiddling with things that aren't broken.
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