[SPOILER THREAD] Suicide Squad

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The ending is pretty unconvincing when all the enchantress' minions disappeared without any explanation before the final confrontation.
Yea, where did they go, anyway? I remember when the Squad was sneaking in, there were still like 10 of those faceless mooks around the altar, looking more imposing with weird horns and stuff. Then when the Squad got near, there's only Enchantress alone.

Did Incubus bring them somewhere?
 
Yea, where did they go, anyway? I remember when the Squad was sneaking in, there were still like 10 of those faceless mooks around the altar, looking more imposing with weird horns and stuff. Then when the Squad got near, there's only Enchantress alone.

Did Incubus bring them somewhere?
Sounds more like a continuity error caused by the frequent recutting of the film than a plot thread left for future films.
 
Sounds more like a continuity error caused by the frequent recutting of the film than a plot thread left for future films.

Ha, can you imagine how utterly unexciting it would be if those things became threats in subsequent films?

Naw, I'm not thinking that. I'm just wondering if there's some kind of throwaway line like "now be the sustenance for my Doomsday Magic Machine!" to explain it away.
 
Guys, I fucking loved it. Margot did JUSTICE to Harley Quinn. Seriously, she nailed it. My theatre loved her!

Now my only problem with this interpretation of Harley Quinn is during the dream sequence. There is no way that Harley would dream of herself and the joker as normal people, even if they were having that cute family life, they would still have green hair and all the clown paraphernalia, and probably Batman tied up somewhere.

That moment I felt was just fundamentally not who Harley Quinn is. But aside from that, I thought the character was perfect. I really love that they showed her in the jester costume as well!
 
It was fine. I had fun, some of the jokes were a bit cringey, but they came from Harley so that was expected. 6/10, go and see it, it's still fun. The Joker was.. cute, but I really enjoyed his scenes.
 
Yeah and that's what I was looking forward too when that clip was in the trailer but now seems irrelevant because in the enchantress battle she thinks he's dead
Yep. It would have diminished the impact of the ending.. but the ending was also a bit cut short. Still, it's kinda understandable.
 
Surprise! It was pretty good.

Although someone needs to invade Hollywood and set fire to anymore superhero scripts that involve faceless hordes and/or a central energy weapon thing. Seriously.

Aside from that I enjoyed it a lot.
 
I liked some things about the movie like Deadshot and Harley Quinn, but it could had been so much better!!!
 
Surprise! It was pretty good.

Although someone needs to invade Hollywood and set fire to anymore superhero scripts that involve faceless hordes and/or a central energy weapon thing. Seriously.

Aside from that I enjoyed it a lot.

I kept thinking

Why didn't they go smaller

The squad isn't about saving the world, it's about saving their own arses.

It should have been something like trying to escort June out the city before Enchantress took over or something.

But yeah fighting magical beings with baseball bats and boomerangs seemed weird
 
I thought it was odd that Waller talked a lot about putting together a team of metahumans to counter all of the metahumans that have suddenly appearing and then most of the actual team wasn't metahuman. And one of the team members with actual powers went rogue before it was even assembled.
 
I kept thinking

Why didn't they go smaller

The squad isn't about saving the world, it's about saving their own arses.

It should have been something like trying to escort June out the city before Enchantress took over or something.

But yeah fighting magical beings with baseball bats and boomerangs seemed weird

If the reports are true that they sunk a bunch of money into the 3rd act on reshoots, I gotta imagine the climax must have been completely different. It looked nice, but it was ultimately all sound and fury with little else at the end setpiece.

Personally though, I liked how incongruous the mismatch of power with Harley and Boomerang and the like. It's all part of the absurd charm inherent in the source material.

That was......surprisingly fine. Fun, even. Expected much worse based on reviews.

It's crazy what happens when people take a pause from dancing on its corpse to actually watch it. Some might actually enjoy themselves a bit.
 
Totally. It was comic accurate, which was good and bad, but mostly good, it's really a "turn your brain off" thing. I feel a bit guilty for having liked it haha.

Sounds dumb

Don't remember them doing that in the comics..

Whenever they had to fight magic dudes they would get Count Vertigo or Nightshade or someone similar
 
There's a good movie in there somewhere. But editing, too many characters and threads, and just trying to cram too much into the damn movie means an enjoyable watch was never going to happen. And the third act being a massive cringefest didn't help either. "I lost one family, I won't lose another!" Good lord.

Worst part of the film was Jared Leto's Joker by far. Different interpretations, sure man, fine, but it was just wrong. Don't know who's to blame, Ayer, writer, or Leto, but the character is just creepy in all the wrong ways.

Then again, introducing a new Joker where he has zero interaction with Batman on screen was always going to be a bit iffy. And that's not my fault for making a judgement based on 10+ minutes of screentime, that's DC for choosing to play it like that.

And also for concocting a Joker that is more "sex pest" than chaotic savant.
 
Really enjoyed it. Wish I could figure out what the critics hate that I don't...

Davis was pure fire as Waller, and Harley kept delivering.

Appreciated how Deadshot and his daughter were handled, too.

Sad about Diablo. But hey, it's Suicide Squad. He'll be back.
(Hopefully)


I just feel like all this constant backlash is going to lead to them killing what I like about the DC movies.


Also, kind of surprised Harley dove into the vat willingly. In the comic, Joker throws her in.
 
Really enjoyed it. Wish I could figure out what the critics hate that I don't...

Davis was pure fire as Waller, and Harley kept delivering.

Appreciated how Deadshot and his daughter were handled, too.

Sad about Diablo. But hey, it's Suicide Squad. He'll be back.
(Hopefully)


I just feel like all this constant backlash is going to lead to them killing what I like about the DC movies.


Also, kind of surprised Harley dove into the vat willingly. In the comic, Joker throws her in.

The Joker throwing her in was the biggest crime of the New 52. What makes Harley so interesting and complex is the fact that she willingly follows the Joker around - he's not forcing her.

I hated that in the new 52 he threw her into the acid and forced a transformation. I think this movie was smart to tweak that detail.
 
That was the worst movie I've seen so far this year, taking the title from Gods of Egypt. This plays like Ayer was told to combine The Dark Knight and Guardians of the Galaxy, but had no idea what made either of those movies work individually, let alone how a mix of the two would work.

- The structure of this movie is awful. Why does Deadshot have three different introductory scenes? Why are there two different scenes of Waller pitching the creation of Task Force X, making basically the same argument, and both scenes come right after each other? Why does it take almost a full hour to even get the Squad in the same room? It's not like we spent that time establishing them as individuals, either.

- The Enchantress deserves her own entry detailing how much all this sucks. The relationship between Rick Flag and June Moon is handled with all the finesse of Katara's exposition about Sokka and Yue in The Last Airbender, and then we're somehow supposed to care at the end of the movie that she's still alive? Why? Why did they decide that the first mission of a gritty, mostly street-level team should be to fight some kind of revived Mayan god? Why did Waller have that one other statuette in her house, that just happened to contain Incubus? Why did nobody realize that poor Cara Delevingne looks absolutely ridiculous gyrating around like she's asked to do for most of the movie?

- The Joker bribes some guard to get him access to Harley. Said guard runs up to Harley as she's being escorted out for deployment by a bunch of soldiers, basically shouting about "Mr. J" and hands her a phone, which Harley then visibly uses on the helicopter, and absolutely nobody notices other than Deadshot?

- Why is Katana in this movie? Or Boomerang, or Croc, for that matter?

- What the hell is Diablo's arc supposed to be? If he's sworn to be non-violent, how is Deadshot able to goad him so easily into burning a bunch of stuff? It doesn't really seem like that big a deal, in that context, and then, even as they're all marching off to try to stop Enchantress, they're still asking him if he's going to fight with them, even though he has by that point chosen to come with them.

- At what point exactly did the Squad become "a family", in Diablo's words? They barely interact, other than that one scene in a bar.

- In the scene where Harley gets in an elevator, how exactly did the entire rest of the Squad get up to wherever she was getting off before the elevator got there?

- If Slipknot's death is meant to be a surprise for the audience (which is the only reason I can think of for why it's there), why does nobody in charge seem to understand that that only works if you make him seem like a significant character beforehand? He's literally introduced at the last minute, and then dies immediately. There is no weight to it at all, nor, as staged, is it darkly funny either.

- The movie's soundtrack may as well have been credited to a lobotomized Robert Zemeckis. It's just incessant, basically bludgeoning the audience with how hip and kewl everything is. The introductory sequences are just one jarringly on-the-nose choice after another.

Most of the actors are good, particularly Smith, Robbie, and Davis. Kinnaman really doesn't come across like he's the best special forces operative in US history, though; of the people who get significant time, he's definitely the weakest.
 
Saw it. Gonna bullet my points to avoid walls of text:

Positives:

- Joker was good. They teased him just enough to where I wanted more and am excited to see him again in the future. He's an ambiguous figure who blended some characteristics of Ledger's and Nicholson's Joker which I really liked. He successfully made me feel uncomfortable as a viewer without overdoing it, and I don't mean that in a negative way.

- Margot Robbie is Harley Quinn. Some of her lines did not land very well but she's as "live-action Harley" as we could hope for. Good job Margot.

- The Joker/Harley dynamic is good. They really owned the fact that they're modelling the relationship after the animated series. There's plenty of room to develop it in the future and Joker's feelings towards Harley felt well-balanced between ambiguous and desiring her.

- Amanda Waller is perfect.

- I was sorta into the jukebox style at first, even though it didn't have anything to really add other than something "cool" to listen to during a montage or transition; unlike GotG where the music had context through Quill.

Negatives:

- While Will Smith is entertaining, I wouldn't care if Deadshot ever appears in the DCEU ever again. I enjoyed him, but whatever. It just felt like Will Smith instead of a live-action comic book character I'm eager to see more of.

- Rick Flag is pretty meh.

- The movie did a bad job of highlighting each member during combat. It was pretty much the Deadshot and Harley show.

- I like the look of Jai Courtney as Boomerang, but I couldn't understand a word he said.

- Killer Croc sucks, despite a very funny final scene.

- Enchantress sucks, despite the slightly cool visual of the Enchantress' hand creeping down her sleeve when she is summoned in the war room.

- Katana was even more unnecessary than Wonder Woman in BvS.

- El Diablo, eh. Dude barely has any screen time and is only there to do two brief things. Hearing his backstory in the bar was strange, structurally.

- The third act, starting right from the bar scene, is tragically bad. Like, just as boring and uninteresting as BvS' finale battle. It didn't even care to showcase some of the Squad's personalities like GotG did through Groot's hilarious smile after butchering henchmen or Quill dancing in the final confrontation to throw the cliche of it off-balance.

There are things I truly did like, but it was buried in a pile of mediocrity. The one thing I came away from after walking out was gimme more Joker and Harley, and I love Amanda Waller.
 
The Joker throwing her in was the biggest crime of the New 52. What makes Harley so interesting and complex is the fact that she willingly follows the Joker around - he's not forcing her.

I hated that in the new 52 he threw her into the acid and forced a transformation. I think this movie was smart to tweak that detail.

I loved that line of his. "Will you die for me? No, too easy. Will you live for me?"
 
- The Joker bribes some guard to get him access to Harley. Said guard runs up to Harley as she's being escorted out for deployment by a bunch of soldiers, basically shouting about "Mr. J" and hands her a phone, which Harley then visibly uses on the helicopter, and absolutely nobody notices other than Deadshot?

I like how they went through a lot of effort to make that guard into a character for the first half of the movie. They show how cruel he is to the Suicide Squad and then when he gives Harley the phone she says something like "you are so dead" and then they completely drop his story and never mention him again. I thought the Joker was going to torture him to death or something.
 
I like how they went through a lot of effort to make that guard into a character for the first half of the movie. They show how cruel he is to the Suicide Squad and then when he gives Harley the phone she says something like "you are so dead" and then they completely drop his story and never mention him again. I thought the Joker was going to torture him to death or something.
I thought the same hah. I inferred he died at the end. There is really a better film lying on the cutting floor, it's obvious.
 
That moment I felt was just fundamentally not who Harley Quinn is. But aside from that, I thought the character was perfect. I really love that they showed her in the jester costume as well!

I think it's an interesting interpretation. It shows that what she ultimately covet is just the Joker as an individual and everything else are just compromises. It plays really well with her "when you do something bad, you own it" speech. She doesn't want all the craziness; she needs them.
 
That moment I felt was just fundamentally not who Harley Quinn is. But aside from that, I thought the character was perfect. I really love that they showed her in the jester costume as well!

That visual of her in straight up jester costume dancing with Joker during that flashback exposition whatever-you-want-to-call-it is easily my favorite image in the entire movie.
 
Anyone else laugh or shake their head at:

"Lady, you are EVIL!"

I was like "damn." Not even Big Will could make that line good.
 
That visual of her in straight up jester costume dancing with Joker during that flashback exposition whatever-you-want-to-call-it is easily my favorite image in the entire movie.
ugh this honestly might get me to see it


is she wearing the mask, too?
 
Not a fan of coked out Joker, at all. Give me more Deadshot. Other than that, it's a mixed bag. Mess up front and it finally starts to find it's stride at the bar scene.
 
I loved the bar scene

The movie needed more scenes/interactions like that.

Yep, probably the best scene in the movie for me. Harley getting serious with El Diablo was great.
If there was more of that, the way the characters interacted with each other near the end of the movie might have actually made sense.
 
How did Deadshot walk into the room at the end with Waller and Flagg? Didn't Flagg close the door behind him and it requires a fingerprint code or something? Was it another one of those continuity errors that plague the film?

The bar scene did nothing for me, I felt those character moments weren't earned and the jokes were terrible. The beautiful / ugly on the inside and outside had my eyes rolling.
 
Wow. What a great movie. Critics are so wrong. I can understand the reception to BvS but this was not an incoherent mess like BvS. I have absolutely no idea wtf critics want from these movies.

First of all, I was a bit skeptical about the idea of having villains fight for the good guys, but the movie does a great job of forcing them to work together. Viola Davis does a fantastic job as a cutthroat special ops lead who gets them in line.

Secondly, I didnt watch any of the trailers except for the very first teaser and man, Harley had so many great moments. She killed it in every scene. i havent seen an actor command a room like this since Heath Ledger. Will Smith was great too. he really humanized these villains and had great chemistry with Margot Robbie and that Spec Ops guy from House of Cards,

The rest of the cast wasn't all that great, but they weren't bad either. I liked Killer Croc and the fire dude had a fucked up backstory and a nice moment at the end.

I also liked how it was dark and yet believable. the world building here is fantastic especially with how they tie in batman and superman's death. i liked the visuals and the villains as well. super freaky if a bit generic.

i have no idea wtf people want out of these movies. this is as good as guardians of the galaxy or any of the ensemble stuff marvel puts out. in fact, it's better because these guys are criminals being forced to work for the good guys. it's different, it's weird and edgy because these guys arent goody two shoes. this couldve gone so wrong but they somehow made it work.

i loved every second of it. the only complaint i have is that they opening feels just as disjointed as batman. they should've taken their time with harley's backstory instead of making it a montage because that shit was fucking intense.

Margot Robbie for Oscar. Lets do this,.
 
I like how they went through a lot of effort to make that guard into a character for the first half of the movie. They show how cruel he is to the Suicide Squad and then when he gives Harley the phone she says something like "you are so dead" and then they completely drop his story and never mention him again. I thought the Joker was going to torture him to death or something.
I read on Reddit that in an earlier version of the film Joker kills him in that butcher area scene after he talks about Harley.
 
Anyone else laugh or shake their head at:

"Lady, you are EVIL!"

I was like "damn." Not even Big Will could make that line good.

yeh, i cringed at this. and most of the dialogue tbh. hardly any of the jokes landed, too.

the one thing that did get a solid chuckle out of me was cap'n boomerang bolting as soon as flagg said they were freed. but then they ruined it because he's in the very next scene still with them for some reason.
 
yeh, i cringed at this. and most of the dialogue tbh. hardly any of the jokes landed, too.

the one thing that did get a solid chuckle out of me was cap'n boomerang bolting as soon as flagg said they were freed. but then they ruined it because he's in the very next scene still with them for some reason.

I enjoyed Croc's "I like her" in regards to Waller.
 
The only thing I laughed at was Killer Croc's ridiculous looking crawl into the water at the end. It was so dumb looking.

Anyone else bothered by how empty the city was? There were hardly people running or laying around and if they had been turned into monsters why were there so few of them?
 
Anyone else bothered by how empty the city was? There were hardly people running or laying around and if they had been turned into monsters why were there so few of them?
There were some shots of billboards saying "Evacuate immediately". Gotta assume people got out.
 
So that cut was pretty weird, but it had enough fun things in it for me to think it was a 65-70/100. Leto didn't sell me at all though which is wicked disappointing. Felt like he was trying hard to say lines as the joker instead of becoming the Joker. Also, his lines were flat as fuck and he was miserable.

The other thing I couldn't really buy was all that nonsense about friendship. The movie doesn't show enough on screen for you to believe that by the end they are all "friends."

Also, the plot of the movie is basically the end of Ghostbusters (Enchantress is Gozer), mixed with mighty morphin' power rangers. They had them kill those putty soldiers to keep the rating lower.
 
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