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[SPOILER THREAD] X-Men: Apocalypse
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Audience clapped at the end.
I liked it.
7.5 out of 10.
Jlaw did not even try
Fassbender and Mcavoy are too good for this franchise.
I liked it.
7.5 out of 10. Jlaw did not even try
Fassbender and Mcavoy are too good for this franchise.
Bobby Roberts
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How so?
There was nothing there. 4 lines and then stunts.
There's no character for a better actress to play.
really liked the movie. i was expecting more 80's references, the way xmen: first class was 60's. i just noticed a few things: president reagan on tv, nightcrawler's michael jackson thriller-esque jacket and the eurythmics' "sweet dreams" playing during the excellent quicksilver scene
A better actress can convey more via expression and body language, both of which the actress was limited to pouting regardless of the scene in question. Moreover, had they casted with better actress obviously the writer will assign better script for her.
Bobby Roberts
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Again - there's nothing there for her to do. The part was written long before they cast the actress. If Singer wanted Psylocke to have a better part, he'd have made Kinberg write her one. But he didn't. What you saw is what she was given to work with. Munn was given that because that's all they wanted from her.
I'm having a hard time thinking of an actress who could have transcended what was on the page to a level where you'd be like "Wow, Psylocke really stood out."
Given that they didn't kill her, it means that they'll use her more in the future. I think it's short-sighted to cast an actress without considering what her role will be in the future.
Actually, the original Mystique, who was played by Rebecca Romijn, also barely had any lines. And had similar role to Psylocke. However, Romijn brought so much to her character, a lot more so than JLaw, who's given tons of dialogue. Romijn's Mystique was mysterious, cruel, sexy, yet strong and a lot more without even uttering much word.
There are a lot of TV actresses out there who I'm sure will be more than happy to fill the role of Psylocke and can actually act within the confine of the minimal dialogue.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Kinda sorta, maybe. Mystique had more to do in X-Men (and X2) and it's not like Rebecca Romijn-Stamos was particularly known for acting chops at the time, either. Nor was her performance all that much better that what Munn did in this movie.
Seriously, there's no character there. She's a plot point, then she's a fight scene, then she's gone. There's not much to work with. Munn did fine with what she was given. You seem to think they cast the actors, and then they write the parts for them. That's not how it goes. It's the other way around, and Singer's not gonna waste time negotiating with a master thespian for that part. Hell, honestly, he's kinda lucky he got Munn (who can act beyond what this role required of her) considering she was up for Vanessa in Deadpool at the same time (which was a better written role)
I'm not gonna blame Jubilee's actress for the fact the movie gave her jack shit to do, either. Or Angel's actor. Any of the other X-Men in the film(s) who have been wasted by Singer. You're acting like somehow Munn let the material down, like there was actual material there. It's the other way around. Psylocke is wasted as a character. Singer and Kinberg did that. Not Munn.
Hell no. Her acting in X2 when she got hit by the human serum was worth more screen time than the entirety of JLaw's stilted acting as Mystique. In fact her role in X2 was so short and yet she was able to make Mystique both despicable and sympathetic in two different moments.
That's not true at all. Marvel, for example, obviously had several names in mind when casting Steve Rogers, Tony Stark, et all. Yes, they cast large net but again and again they always go after who they always want in the first place all before the script were written. Now, I'm not saying Singer does the same thing but it's crazy for him not to have planning given the fact that he keeps zoning on those good-looking guys to cast. If you want to argue, argue that Singer likely just cast for good-looks instead of real talent. Then yeah, we get an agreement.
Really? Bobby, I think you like Munn more than you admitted. Munn is not going to EVER get Vanessa part in Deadpool when actress like Morena Baccarin is also up for it. I mean FFS, it's Munn who's lucky that Singer seem to care more about looks than talent for the cast of X-Men. And it is fair to blame the actress because her performance, even in a thankless role can lead to a bigger one if it gets praised by the viewers. So for her not to elevate herself above the material is on her.
Bobby Roberts
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I'm not sure you understood what I said; I said Mystique had more to do in X-Men and X2, meaning comparing Stamos to Munn isn't a great comparison - she had more to work with. I don't know what you're "hell no-ing" about by pointing out she did more in her second movie. I just said that.
Yes, it is.
Yes, you are.
Yes, she was. She turned it down because she didn't want to play "the girlfriend role." So she signed on to Apocalypse.
Hopefully she's included in the X-Force movie and whoever writes that will give her an actual character to play.
Also, I never said I didn't like Munn. I just said (and am continuing to say) Kinberg & Singer didn't give her shit to do. They didn't. They gave Angel even less to do, to the point where upthread we couldn't even remember if he'd died or not. I'm not gonna blame his actor for that.
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Because I had to piss, and I went to the bathroom. Thank you Movie Police.
Bobby Roberts
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It's my phone you want me to put away? You have weird priorities.
Bobby Roberts
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Mystique had similar role to Psylocke in X2. She was just there to be disposed so she can make way for new villainess. Now, Lady Deathstrike is pretty much like Psylocke. No range but at least Deathstrike manages to project killing machine...whereas Psylocke, I'm not sure what she supposed to project.
I guess when you have nothing else to say then, this is what you resort to?
I'm sure many actresses will say the same thing as well. Despite the fact that the former requires more acting, and have more lines.
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What for? I didn't touch anything. Dropped my pants, let it wiz, pull them back up...now we're here.
Bobby Roberts
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I didn't disagree (I said kinda sorta) but while they had similar-ish roles, Mystique still had more to do in X-Men. I'm even giving you a bit of an unfair comparison by including X2, which is a benefit Psylocke's character hasn't been afforded. I'm letting you compare two movies worth of action/characterization to 10min of Munn screentime.
(Deathstrike in X2 is a better comparison, honestly. And Kelly Hu was fucking wasted there the same way Munn is here)
Resort to? What else am I supposed to do, man? You're wrong. There's not too many other ways to lay that out there. You think movies are made the one way, and your only cited support for that is... Marvel. Which isn't even correct (the characters are still written before actors are hired) and isn't a fair comparison because you're taking Psylocke in Apocalypse and comparing her to fuckin' Steve Rogers. Like, a 6th or 7th tier supporting character in an ensemble film vs. a lead in a movie bearing that character's NAME in the title.
Well I mean, if your counter to "she turned down the role" is "She's lying" I mean... I don't know how to argue that any further either.
This is a weird place we ended up. Let's bring this back to something a lot simpler, okay?
The role of Psylocke in this movie is almost non-existent. Kinberg and Singer didn't create much of a character. Munn doesn't have much to do. The shortcomings with the character aren't really her fault.
Why are you still posting to GAF in the middle of a movie theater.
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who cares, man?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Because it's inconsiderate as shit to have your phone out in the theater.
Besides that (but to a much lesser degree) it's also gonna make your opinion, when you wind up trying to share it with us, kinda suspect and not worth much of a shit because you're obviously not paying much attention to the movie.
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I don't care. Go back to compare fictional characters in a movie.
Bobby Roberts
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I didn't spend a dime. Bobby... Get a life.
Okay, let's compare it to the first X-Men. Mystique had to share her screen time with 2other henchmen: Sabretooth, Toad and of course, Magneto. Her time was mostly just fighting Wolverine and shape-shifting into Senator Kelly. She's a henchwoman not different from Psylocke.
I didn't say movie was made one way. I said it's ridiculous for a director or studio not to have a list of actress in mind when they're planning their big budget film. They clearly already envisioned Apocalypse not long after DoFP was concluded. They had the time to think who's going to be in it, which character will have pivotal roles, which actors they will cast, etc. Out of all the possible Hollywood actresses there, some of which, are keen to break out of the TV medium, they chose Olivia Munn, who had little experience in acting. And you're wondering why people are complaining?
Wait, don't you live in the US? It's not even playing there yet, is it?
The shortcomings of her characters are the combination of Singer's tendency to hire actors mostly for their look and not with acting ability as well. Also, for the writing, and last but not least, the inability of the actress to rise above the material. There have been many actresses in blockbuster movie stuck in thankless role, but they rose above it. All I said is Munn didn't. And it's disappointing.
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I'm not at the movies, I never was in the bathroom, and I can text and watch this movie at the same time. And if I were in the movies, I still wouldn't care.
Bobby Roberts
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We're both posting to neogaf at 11:30pm PST on a Saturday Night, so I mean, "get a life" isn't packing the punch you want it to, I don't think.
And even if you didn't spend any money, it's still inconsiderate as shit to roll up in a theater (actually, probably more inconsiderate come to think of it) and just whip your phone out and fuck with it while other people are trying to watch a movie.
Granted, I'm sure you're about to tell me it's an empty theater or whatever, just like you've been taking a piss the last 20+ minutes (on a Saturday night while posting to a gaming forum from a theater restroom get a life) but as it stands, it's kind of a shitty thing to do.
(of course you're probably not even at a theater you probab--
Well then.
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My phone is on silent with very low brightness, who am I disturbing in the theater. Don't act like you know me.
Bobby Roberts
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Dude's watching a cam and pulling a Cartman
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Bingo. Go back to running your life, and stop passing judgement.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Again, this isn't true.
I saw the press screening. The second post in this thread is someone asking me to spill details.
Anyway, we're kinda at a standstill: I think she did what she could with what little they gave her. You think she should have been able to transform it into something better. I don't see what's there to transform, but to each their reach. Thanks for being patient w/ me.
Feel free to list her notable achievement considering a glance at IMDB doesn't show any film I'd like to watch. Maybe Zoolander 2.
I think you'll find what I said to be prevalent at other sites, especially the ones that are female-populated. It's not mostly out of spite for Munn but wanting Psylocke to be a more prominent, interesting character than what she ended up being. I've had enough of Scott et all and could use some new mutants.
I just can't imagine what the guy was expecting to happen...
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Duckroll's already referenced her run on The Newsroom.
I don't really care how prevalent it might be at other websites I'd still disagree with it, although we're both on the same page with wishing Psylocke was given more to do. Hopefully that'll happen in X-Force, should she be placed in it.
Well same then. I don't think you can convince me that her acting is good either. Maybe I'll change my mind in the future but definitely not on this one.
I think it was less that he was strictly using a phone at the movies, and more how he was treating people in the thread.
Mystique between capturing Senator Kelly, sneaking into the mansion, the 1v1 fight with the lead. She had more lines in just the Senator Kelly bit than Psylocke had in this film. Psylocke in this film says, "I can show you where the get strong mutants at" and "Lets go, he's done".
You're basically harping on someone who is a glorified extra. Mystique gets to fight Wolvy in 1, Psylocke gets to fight.... Beast. Hell, I think Toad even had more lines in 1 than Psylocke did here.There was nothing Munn could have done to improve a character when her character is never on screen for more than 30 seconds in a row. There is nothing any actor could do.
I think if we want to have a serious debate about whether Munn worked as Psylocke, we need to compare the result with the intention. What was Psylocke supposed to be in X-men Apocalypse? As best I could tell, she was meant to be an exotic mutant with interesting powers who was picked up by Apocalypse in some underground club run by Caliban, and her requirements in the film were to "look sexy" and "be cool".
My impression based on audience reactions in my screening and with talking to people who have seen it, is that Psylocke in the movie didn't have much to do but she was pretty sexy and badass. A friend of mine commented that unlike Angel, she actually managed to survive an exploding plane. He's looking forward to seeing more of her in the future.
I think it's a bit of a stretch to say she didn't do the role justice. That the role should have been much more is another debate.
My impression based on audience reactions in my screening and with talking to people who have seen it, is that Psylocke in the movie didn't have much to do but she was pretty sexy and badass. A friend of mine commented that unlike Angel, she actually managed to survive an exploding plane. He's looking forward to seeing more of her in the future.
I think it's a bit of a stretch to say she didn't do the role justice. That the role should have been much more is another debate.
Well, now that you mention it, her character is pretty much like Toad in X-Men 1. Except that she gets much cooler outfit, weapons, and fight scenes.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Speaking of which: Did you think Angel died at the end of this movie?
I'm leaning towards yes... I think?
I'm leaning towards yes... I think?
I seem to recall a shot of Apocalypse coming out and looking over the wreckage and specifically seeing a very dead Angel in the rubble and saying something like "SCRUB SHITS FAILED ME AGAIN!".
Bobby Roberts
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Angel actually gets a couple action sequences in this film but even taking that into account I could see a legitimate debate over whether he or Jubilee was done dirtier in this film.
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