Can't he just...grow it back?
[SPOILER THREAD] X-Men: Apocalypse
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b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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The audience in my theater laughed every time bald McAvoy appeared on screen.
I think McAvoy is going full on bald the next time he's around Bryan Singer, just to be on the safe side.
Also FUCK ME...
Xavier giving Moira back her memories AFTER he's lost his hair was such a 'fuck, I have no chance now... I better remind her that she likes me' move. I couldn't stop laughing. Also, dear God... Moira had to be a studio mandate, right? Contributed nothing to the story beyond her first scene.
Noisepurge
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i didn't get why was Magneto let off the hook at the end? He literally and willingly killed probably millions of people in this? 
just because he had again another turncoat moment does not unkill all those people.
just because he had again another turncoat moment does not unkill all those people.i didn't get why was Magneto let off the hook at the end? He literally and willingly killed probably millions of people in this?
I don't either. It's a very odd character arc in general. I don't for a moment believe that Magneto would actually try to live a "normal life" and hide his mutant abilities after DoFP. Assuming that he does though, after all the stuff we've seen him do in First Class and DoFP, is it really believable that if he even wanted to save the guy in the factory at that moment, that he would even have to reach his hand out or react in any way? He can control metal with just a thought! So ignoring all the dramatic contrivance to engineer the tragedy, the next thing that surprised me was when they mentioned that his wife was also found dead along with the daughter. So after killing all those people... did he kill his wife too? Why? Isn't she the reason why he wanted to settle down to begin with according to this narrative?
So he basically kills 20 people in a small town, most of whom are totally innocent of any wrongdoing other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time, kills his own wife, and then aids in worldwide destruction costing billions in damages and probably hundreds if not thousands of deaths. He basically became Apocalypse's World Engine, to take a Man of Steel example. And after all that, because he somehow helped a little in fighting off Apocalypse at the end, all's forgiven? Why would Xavier even let him within a hundred miles of the school. Letting him help rebuild the school as well? Trying to convince him to stay too? Simply gross.
YesNOnoNOYes
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didnt the wife died by the same arrow that killed his child, nina?
other than that, yeah, his arc was a bit weird. as soon as he was shown living the domestic blissful life, i was like okaaaaaaaay here are lambs for the slaughter. and lo and behold.
:x
having said that, his "who the fuck are you?" was one of the highlights for me
haha :>
other than that, yeah, his arc was a bit weird. as soon as he was shown living the domestic blissful life, i was like okaaaaaaaay here are lambs for the slaughter. and lo and behold.
:x
having said that, his "who the fuck are you?" was one of the highlights for me
haha :>
I don't think so? It looks like the arrow only struck Nina. Both him and the wife were hugging the child, and then he killed all those men and raged to the heavens. If the implication was that his wife died too, it was very poorly directed because his focus was entirely on his daughter.
YesNOnoNOYes
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i saw it clearly somehow..... and was doing an awkward laugh because it was literally "one stone two birds" oopsie by the villagers
i didn't get why was Magneto let off the hook at the end? He literally and willingly killed probably millions of people in this?
There's a very simple reason why Magneto was let off the hook, bad writing.
Saw this today and was thoroughly disappointed despite going in with already low expectations. The only parts I actually enjoyed were the Quicksilver scenes, Weapon X was OK, but it should never have been in the trailers.
That's how it looked to me too, she was hugging Nina and it went through the little girl and stabbed her in her chest, you'd think if she was alive you'd be able to hear her crying or calling her daughter's name, but Eric is the only one.
AquaticSquirrel
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He didn't kill his wife, the arrow that one of the soldiers fires goes through his daughter's back and into his wife's heart, killing them both as they embrace.
I know it's really dumb and cheesy.
Okay, I clearly got something very different out of the scene because the arrow didn't look like it could have killed them both like that. Maybe I underestimated the convenience of the writing. 
Either way, Magneto in First Class and DoFP was already a terrorist, and in Apocalypse he basically turned into an international war criminal. Him getting a pat on the back and being "redeemed" at the end was pretty gross.
Either way, Magneto in First Class and DoFP was already a terrorist, and in Apocalypse he basically turned into an international war criminal. Him getting a pat on the back and being "redeemed" at the end was pretty gross.
AquaticSquirrel
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Yeah this film is pretty meh overall. Kept me reasonably entertained in a "turn your brain off" kind of way. But the film is very "Fox".
Cyclops has a little more character development than previous films but not by much. His brother seemingly dies but Cyclops has pretty much no character development from it...he is a little sad for like 2 minutes and then that's it.
There's no depression or grief really. He doesn't vow revenge on his brother's killer or want payback. He doesn't view him as an ideal or icon to live up or surpass. It just kinda happens and that's that.
Speaking of his brother they actually give him a reasonable amount of screen time and lines with Xavier but in the end it doesn't go anywhere so fairly wasted, could have used that screen time to better develop the other characters.
Cyclops' beams are also weak as shit, he shoots the door of a bathroom stall that flies off slightly bent and hits a bully. That's it...bent and the bully was kinda pushed back into a wall. Oh he also fires at a small tree and it splits...
His optic blasts are tiny pee shooters, no wide angle/large beam. No "force of nature" unstoppable destructive beams that must be contained for the safety of everyone, just meh.
When he is shooting at Apocalypse they pretty much do nothing, Apoc barely even notices. That whole line from Mystique "then don't" in reference to controlling his powers doesn't amount to anything because his "letting loose" is just yelling while a pee shooter weak ass beam fires from his eyes. It doesn't become more destructive or powerful or larger. Just meh.
JLaw is as forced into the story as ever "hero of mutants!". And yes she doesn't even try for the film. The blue make up is laughable at times in this.
Magneto for some reason goes off to have a human wife and a kid...doesn't really fit his character. They are quickly killed in the first 30 mins of the film in a hamfisted way but at least Fassbender plays the role well, as someone else mentioned he does all his acting up front and then just sits in the background.
Jean goes Phoenix in this at the end. Like they couldn't even wait and build it up slowly, just blowing their load. Like others have mentioned they shouldn't have been hinting at "great power hidden etc.." from the get go and let her just be "Jean" for a while. They fall into the same traps as modern comic writers with Jean in this regard. Sophie Turner is also pretty bad in this, I think the accent really stifles her acting. But I guess from now on it's the Jean Grey show...
Quicksilver has a good scene that's reasonably fun, but kind of goes on a little too long. You can tell Singer was really trying to out do himself, came across as a little "Poochie" forced. But for the most part enjoyable.
Psylocke doesn't really do anything except awkwardly flip forward cutting a car in half like in the trailers. Seriously who greenlit that? Awkward looking as fuck. She kinda fights Beast I guess?
The film tries hard to make Angel "badass" but kinda falls flat, he doesn't really say anything either. Nightcrawler is kinda fun but again doesn't do too much.
Apocalypse's powers are not very clear in the film. He kinda switches bodies or something and then absorbs other mutant's powers so he has amassed a few over time. But it's not clear what they are or how they work. He can seemingly just do whatever he wants if the plots needs it. Quicksilver is fighting him by moving super fast and Apoc is helpless but then uses the mutant power of... "quick moving eyes" or something and predicts where Quicksilver will be and makes the ground eat his foot. Then he breaks his leg with a kick.
Charles Xavier, worlds most powerful telepath gets linked with Apocalypse and they have a "mind battle" where Xavier seems to be winning but then Apocalypse just beats him for...no explained reason in a mental psychic battle. Just because he is the bad guy or something.
The whole film seems to flash back and reference First Class and to a lesser degree DOFP a lot to really sell the point that "this is the closing of a trilogy!". Not sure if it works too well.
There are some nice visual set pieces, not that the CG is good because it's meh at best. It's more from a story board/design point of view it looks pretty good. Weapon X scenes were good but completely shoehorned. Film could have used that time to better develop the paper thin cast.
Storm doesn't do much although she has a few lines. Her powers are quite nerfed too like Cyclops.
Overall the film is kind of a half baked mess. Nobody has good character arcs that make sense, everything is just badly mushed together. Nothing seems earned or like the characters have any good motivation for what they are doing. Mostly cardboard cut out characters. The end fight is stupidly long but not entertaining in the least, best bit was probably when Quicksilver fought Apocalypse. Other than that it's badly choreographed mess.
The creative team has no respect for these characters but the film is mildly entertaining if you have an unlimited pass to the cinema like I do so it didn't really cost me anything but I think they have too much baggage trying to stay with this continuity. Just reboot and drop all the baggage and finally give us a good film about the actual X-men.
Cyclops has a little more character development than previous films but not by much. His brother seemingly dies but Cyclops has pretty much no character development from it...he is a little sad for like 2 minutes and then that's it.
There's no depression or grief really. He doesn't vow revenge on his brother's killer or want payback. He doesn't view him as an ideal or icon to live up or surpass. It just kinda happens and that's that.
Speaking of his brother they actually give him a reasonable amount of screen time and lines with Xavier but in the end it doesn't go anywhere so fairly wasted, could have used that screen time to better develop the other characters.
Cyclops' beams are also weak as shit, he shoots the door of a bathroom stall that flies off slightly bent and hits a bully. That's it...bent and the bully was kinda pushed back into a wall. Oh he also fires at a small tree and it splits...
His optic blasts are tiny pee shooters, no wide angle/large beam. No "force of nature" unstoppable destructive beams that must be contained for the safety of everyone, just meh.
When he is shooting at Apocalypse they pretty much do nothing, Apoc barely even notices. That whole line from Mystique "then don't" in reference to controlling his powers doesn't amount to anything because his "letting loose" is just yelling while a pee shooter weak ass beam fires from his eyes. It doesn't become more destructive or powerful or larger. Just meh.
JLaw is as forced into the story as ever "hero of mutants!". And yes she doesn't even try for the film. The blue make up is laughable at times in this.
Magneto for some reason goes off to have a human wife and a kid...doesn't really fit his character. They are quickly killed in the first 30 mins of the film in a hamfisted way but at least Fassbender plays the role well, as someone else mentioned he does all his acting up front and then just sits in the background.
Jean goes Phoenix in this at the end. Like they couldn't even wait and build it up slowly, just blowing their load. Like others have mentioned they shouldn't have been hinting at "great power hidden etc.." from the get go and let her just be "Jean" for a while. They fall into the same traps as modern comic writers with Jean in this regard. Sophie Turner is also pretty bad in this, I think the accent really stifles her acting. But I guess from now on it's the Jean Grey show...
Quicksilver has a good scene that's reasonably fun, but kind of goes on a little too long. You can tell Singer was really trying to out do himself, came across as a little "Poochie" forced. But for the most part enjoyable.
Psylocke doesn't really do anything except awkwardly flip forward cutting a car in half like in the trailers. Seriously who greenlit that? Awkward looking as fuck. She kinda fights Beast I guess?
The film tries hard to make Angel "badass" but kinda falls flat, he doesn't really say anything either. Nightcrawler is kinda fun but again doesn't do too much.
Apocalypse's powers are not very clear in the film. He kinda switches bodies or something and then absorbs other mutant's powers so he has amassed a few over time. But it's not clear what they are or how they work. He can seemingly just do whatever he wants if the plots needs it. Quicksilver is fighting him by moving super fast and Apoc is helpless but then uses the mutant power of... "quick moving eyes" or something and predicts where Quicksilver will be and makes the ground eat his foot. Then he breaks his leg with a kick.
Charles Xavier, worlds most powerful telepath gets linked with Apocalypse and they have a "mind battle" where Xavier seems to be winning but then Apocalypse just beats him for...no explained reason in a mental psychic battle. Just because he is the bad guy or something.
The whole film seems to flash back and reference First Class and to a lesser degree DOFP a lot to really sell the point that "this is the closing of a trilogy!". Not sure if it works too well.
There are some nice visual set pieces, not that the CG is good because it's meh at best. It's more from a story board/design point of view it looks pretty good. Weapon X scenes were good but completely shoehorned. Film could have used that time to better develop the paper thin cast.
Storm doesn't do much although she has a few lines. Her powers are quite nerfed too like Cyclops.
Overall the film is kind of a half baked mess. Nobody has good character arcs that make sense, everything is just badly mushed together. Nothing seems earned or like the characters have any good motivation for what they are doing. Mostly cardboard cut out characters. The end fight is stupidly long but not entertaining in the least, best bit was probably when Quicksilver fought Apocalypse. Other than that it's badly choreographed mess.
The creative team has no respect for these characters but the film is mildly entertaining if you have an unlimited pass to the cinema like I do so it didn't really cost me anything but I think they have too much baggage trying to stay with this continuity. Just reboot and drop all the baggage and finally give us a good film about the actual X-men.
Well, there isn't much to revenge against given how his brother was killed by bad writing. It wasn't Apocalypse's fault. There is zero reason why he would suddenly run forward and attempt to blast at them like that knowing that they teleported in and could easily teleport out. It also make no sense that the mansion is built such that there's a power generator directly opposite the Cerebro room which if damaged could blow up the entire building. But maybe the architects of the X-mansion just learned from the masters who built the pyramid in the opening.
But having said that, I would be absolutely up for a film where Cyclops reflects on the events of the movie and decides he wants revenge for his brother and breaks the 4th wall to find and kill Simon Kinberg. Maybe that can be the plot for Deadpool 2.
AquaticSquirrel
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Well, there isn't much to revenge against given how his brother was killed by bad writing. It wasn't Apocalypse's fault. There is zero reason why he would suddenly run forward and attempt to blast at them like that knowing that they teleported in and could easily teleport out. It also make no sense that the mansion is built such that there's a power generator directly opposite the Cerebro room which if damaged could blow up the entire building. But maybe the architects of the X-mansion just learned from the masters who built the pyramid in the opening.
But having said that, I would be absolutely up for a film where Cyclops reflects on the events of the movie and decides he wants revenge for his brother and breaks the 4th wall to find and kill Simon Kinberg. Maybe that can be the plot for Deadpool 2.
I'd pay to see that! We can only dream though...
the more i think about this movie the more i dislike it. i went in with no expectations at all and it still managed to disappoint me. so many wasted characters and questionable story beats.
let's not get started with magneto. after his wife and daughter dies (how the hell did the arrow hit his wife?) and he screams the entire theatre burst out laughing. terrible.
at least the quicksilver scene where he saves everyone was fun.
let's not get started with magneto. after his wife and daughter dies (how the hell did the arrow hit his wife?) and he screams the entire theatre burst out laughing. terrible.
at least the quicksilver scene where he saves everyone was fun.
YesNOnoNOYes
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at least there are some potential character deaths so people cant complain it being (disney) happy ending...
:3
:3
The Silver
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They busted their load on the phoenix already?
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Yeah, you could see a slither of the arrow sticking out of the wife too, it impaled them both as she hugged Nina
longdi
Banned
I think this movie would be better if it skipped the weaponX facility part and put more focus on the new X-boys or even Apoc 4 horsemen. I put that choice down to Singer being more of a fan service X-men guy?
In the end the XMCU turned back into be a generic Xmen v big bad film. The final fight was just lousy. What a waste of FC and DoFP rebooting effort.
The movie also felt too modern and i would think it took place in the future.
The lack of 80's charm made it felt even more by-the-numbers
In the end the XMCU turned back into be a generic Xmen v big bad film. The final fight was just lousy. What a waste of FC and DoFP rebooting effort.
The movie also felt too modern and i would think it took place in the future.
The lack of 80's charm made it felt even more by-the-numbers
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Why?
The entire audience? Every time?
That's weird.
(also, who is the actress in your avatar? Been bugging me for awhile now)
Nah, not really. Jean obliterating Apocalypse isn't the same as, say, Jean destroying an entire planet. Which what "busting out the Phoenix" should probably be.
And if I'm remembering correctly, you don't see that the arrow has impaled both mother and child until a camera move reveals the arrowhead sticking out of the back of the mom. Which might be hard to catch considering the low levels of light in the scene and the motion not pulling attention to that particular detail.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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Yeah, most of the audience laughed every time bald McAvoy appeared. I don't know why either. It's indeed very weird.
And that's Mary Elizabeth Winstead in my avatar. I found this picture on a fan site of her (can't remember). It's a rather unique picture as I've never seen any other picture of her looking like that, which sometimes makes me doubt if the person in my avatar is actually Mary Elizaneth Winstead at all (but I can see some similarity so who knows).
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I thought that's maybe who that was but yeah, it doesn't look quite right.
Damn bro, were you paid to dislike the movie? I'm kidding and it's your opinion but you seem to have disliked EVERYTHING. Come on brah, it's a turn off your brain and enjoy the ride movie, like all other super hero flicks out there, I'm not too sure what you were hoping for here. Oh and that Quicksilver scene was perfect man, I disagree.
I kinda agree with this. I was not convinced on how Apocalypse took him out. Technically, he should have not had the time to react to his speed. And for a man of his speed, Quicksilver's punches looked pretty weak. The Flash show is also guilty of this, people with these kind of speed should be able to punch craters into mountains.
Overall, I loved the movie but it's time for a new generation of X-Men. Just make sure that Quicksilver remains part of the team, his scenes are too fun!
Were they 5 year olds?
Just saw the movie with a friend. We both loved it. Cant see how people liked the previous two but not this one. Really good movie.
It did seem overly long though (the clip was posted above), and this is from someone who has only seen DoFP.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
what about it made it really good? Definitely not the acting, not the villain and not the plot. The quicksilver scene was good but a retread of DoFP the fights were decent at times if they didn't involve Apoc.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I actually preferred his second setpiece, where he says "Fuck this" and tries to solo-shot Apoc.
It ends abruptly.
twozerotwo
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Just watched the mansion QS scene.Holy fuck Pietro is so OP.
So what's Mags been up to since the last movie? If Magneto doesn't know Pietro(is his name even Pietro?) exists does Magneto have a family he abandoned or is he the product of a one-night stand? Was the little girl in DoFP not Wanda?
So what's Mags been up to since the last movie? If Magneto doesn't know Pietro(is his name even Pietro?) exists does Magneto have a family he abandoned or is he the product of a one-night stand? Was the little girl in DoFP not Wanda?
Yeah, hearing about this part, I didn't get it either. Part of the excitement of the first two X-Men films was seeing Jean become more powerful over time, and her dealing with that. Skipping all the tension seems... misguided? And it can't be reversed now that the monster's out of the cage.
It also sort of ties into "why is Apocalypse the first villain your bunch of fresh faced kids has to face?" When logically, Apocalypse should probably be the climactic villain of a whole series, after the kids have had time to face different trials and grow from their experiences.
AquaticSquirrel
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Maybe I seem a little too harsh on it? I did enjoy it in a "along for the ride" kind of way. I didn't think it was a bad film in general, but it definitely wasn't good.
I liked First Class mostly for the Magneto/Charles relationship and Kevin Bacon was pretty good too. And coming off the steaming shit that was Last Stand and Wolverine Origins anything was a huge upgrade. The rest of the cast were kinda meh and had some stupid moments but overall enjoyable.
DoFP was pretty good, again the forced emphasis on JLaw was a bit jarring but was still entertaining.
I just think Singer/Fox are stuck in 2000 when it comes to X-Men in conception/style. I think over the last 10 years or so the bar has been raised a ton and we've all moved on. I think trying to tie these films to the continuity of the Singer originals and making them all time period set piece films is an albatross around the series neck that it could do without.
I think Kinberg is laughably bad and should be kept far away from any future X-men films. I think Singer can only focus on one or two main characters and everyone else becomes background props. I didn't have any particular expectations about the film and went in wanting to like it, I hoped that if all else failed at least they would do Cyclops right this time. They didn't
The film didn't really do anything for me and as such the flaws really become more apparent. A lot of these flaws were in previous X-Men films but they stand out more here and really make me just want a change of pace. I really just want the whole thing rebooted with a new cast and a new creative team, someone who can handle an ensemble cast well and who actually gives a shit about making the actual X-Men be front and center and being somewhat more accurate to their comic versions.
Anyway maybe I'm just being overly negative, the film did have fun elements and I was generally entertained but I feel it fell flat overall and I stand by my earlier impressions.
Interceptor
Banned
Enjoyed it. Nice boss fight too. Don't expect Shakespeare from a superhero movie and have fun. Magneto getting of the hook was the only thing bothering me at the end.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
This is hilarious.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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Better in my opinion.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
lol yeah i liked that too :>
heeeeeeey, i asked this same question earlier. no one answered thoughhh
i think the lil girl in DoFP isn't Wanda cuz Wanda is supposed to be the same age as Quicksilver. A lot of people said that the lil girl was Polaris.
but then how does mags not know of this family if he keeps making babies somehow with the mom
:x
Kaneda Shotaro
Member
How does Mystique's story end in this? What are her last scenes?
I wish her character was killed off but then she'd be a martyr in the future stories. It's Mystique...this is still funny to me lol.
I wish her character was killed off but then she'd be a martyr in the future stories. It's Mystique...this is still funny to me lol.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
she become the leader of the x-men, sort of. under xavier. the one that is training the young x-men at his school.
im still finding it weird, too
:3
Just came back from watching the movie. I liked it, despite of how generic Apocalypse is as a villain. The only things I didn't really dig:
- The whole subplot with Stryker felt shoehorned in. I mean, it's nice that we got a bit of setup for Sinister, Weapon X, and Wolverine making a cameo, but that whole subplot still felt like it didn't belong to this story.
- I didn't like Magneto's arc in this movie. He probably killed thousands if not millions of people, and he just walks away to the sun at the end?
And whatever happened with Mystique finding Logan at the end of DOFP?
- The whole subplot with Stryker felt shoehorned in. I mean, it's nice that we got a bit of setup for Sinister, Weapon X, and Wolverine making a cameo, but that whole subplot still felt like it didn't belong to this story.
- I didn't like Magneto's arc in this movie. He probably killed thousands if not millions of people, and he just walks away to the sun at the end?
And whatever happened with Mystique finding Logan at the end of DOFP?
The fuck is this shit
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
yeah mags arc was sooooooo flakey. studios should learn how to swallow that bitter pill of not having magneto as part of at least one or two movies. i know he's an established character/brand/power by now but you can't just keep stringing popular character just because he's popular. it'll destroy the long term continuity (and it often assassinates the character's ....character :x)
and yeah, mystique!stryker was completely NOT EXPLAINED
it's better than bvs timumu : D
Mr. Pointy
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I'm going to make an educated guess and say the whole Weapon X sequence / detour was there to setup Mr. Sinister in the next big X-Men film, Wolverine's main story arc in Wolverine 3 and X-23 appearing at some point - gonna also say Wolverine 3.
Now I'm hyped.
Thank god, we don't need another one of those.=p I'm still jelly that you got to see it earlier than me, US, something like that.XD As long as I'm entertained(for the right reasons) that's what matters.
It's better than BvS but doesn't have the emotional investment that Civil War wrangled. Still, it has plenty of tense moments, which both BvS and Civil War lacking due to the chosen topic of those films.
All in all, I enjoy it even though I found the new kid X-Men to be dull-looking. Storm is the only one who looks striking while the rest are meh-looking, especially Cyclops. And I wish they had cast someone else instead of Olivia whatshername as Psylocke. The character could have been so much better had they cast a better actress.
And I don't know where they're going at the end making Mystique the new X-men leader. It's like they're trying to imitate that Age of Ultron's New Avengers scene but without the commanding screen presence that Evans' Cap and Johanssen's Widow posses. So it was weird and awkward, especially when there are more powerful characters like Jean and Storm in that scene and Mystique is training them?!
All in all, I enjoy it even though I found the new kid X-Men to be dull-looking. Storm is the only one who looks striking while the rest are meh-looking, especially Cyclops. And I wish they had cast someone else instead of Olivia whatshername as Psylocke. The character could have been so much better had they cast a better actress.
And I don't know where they're going at the end making Mystique the new X-men leader. It's like they're trying to imitate that Age of Ultron's New Avengers scene but without the commanding screen presence that Evans' Cap and Johanssen's Widow posses. So it was weird and awkward, especially when there are more powerful characters like Jean and Storm in that scene and Mystique is training them?!
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