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[Toa TAK]

This is great.

But no ChewiexMax fans here?

Gary the storm trooper meeting lando

This shit is so meta

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll-paoQXRSA

 

[Gonzalez]

I think the stormtrooper with the riot gear who duels finn (and kicks his ass) is the only rank and file stormtrooper in 7 movies to in any way distinguish himself or be badass. in a sense, he's unique of all the films. Generally, stormtroopers have been shown to be inept.

I want a figure of him! and a name!

They got you, sucka!

 

[LookAtMeGo]

That's completely fine. Not talking about all the prequel haters, but definitely many.

Word.

 

[Brakke]

And this guy busted a gut to show off his mad skills only to be ignored.

That's a Clone Trooper. They have a different name than Stormtroopers because they're, you know, different.

 

[MisterHero]

For those upset over the "Plot holes" of TFA needs to be reminded of what a plot hole is.

A good example of a plot hole is how Anakin became a force ghost.

We're told that Yoda has made contact with Qui-Gon in Episode III about a way to communicate post-death. It's heavily implied that this is an ability that needs to be taught. Obviously Obi-wan learned this, and somehow Yoda picked this up, too.

The Plot hole comes from how Vader learned how to do this. Either he discovered it himself, or was taught by someone else (Sheev is the only real option here). And if Sheev taught it, then obviously Sheev knows it.

Either way, it's left wide open, and sort of contradicts itself.

THAT is a plot hole.

I think someone said it's only available to light side users. Which still doesn't make sense given how Vader was dark just a few moments before he died

Whereas in the EU Palpatine had a whole saga trying to regain corporeal form

this wiki says that Obi-Wan and Yoda helped him complete the training
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_ghost

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

Could be that he was leaving a map to Jedi temples, but the movie does a poor job of showing the passage of time, so we'll never know if Rey went scouring the galaxy for him or if it was an X marks the spot kind of map.

Edit: Unless they touch on it in VIII...which they probably will.

It looked pretty instant to me. They leave, enter hyperspace, then immediately exit hyperspace to find Luke

 

[donny2112]

For those upset over the "Plot holes" of TFA needs to be reminded of what a plot hole is.

A good example of a plot hole is how Anakin became a force ghost.

We're told that Yoda has made contact with Qui-Gon in Episode III about a way to communicate post-death. It's heavily implied that this is an ability that needs to be taught. Obviously Obi-wan learned this, and somehow Yoda picked this up, too.

The Plot hole comes from how Vader learned how to do this. Either he discovered it himself, or was taught by someone else (Sheev is the only real option here). And if Sheev taught it, then obviously Sheev knows it.

Either way, it's left wide open, and sort of contradicts itself.

THAT is a plot hole.

The plot hole here is what Yoda said in Ep. 3 about it being some unique, speical thing. Prequels had all kinds of stuff in them that directly contradicted events from the OT.

 

[BronsonLee]

Here's a fun question I'll stick in here in lieu of making yet another goddamn Star Wars thread;

If this movie isn't a Star Wars movie, do you like it?

Clearly a loaded/unfair question (The strengths the movie has are based on the charactera and themes of the franchise itself), but I'm a bit curious.

 

[BFIB]

The Force Ghost is always going to be a plot hole. I was wondering if Abrams was going to address this, but clearly this is the one thing he kicked the can down the road on.

 

[Mr Cola]

That would have been terrible. Rioting in the streets terrible. Seeing Luke made the ending great. Cutting before that would have been unsatisfactory to the max. They finally get the map finished which is the point the movie starts on, and without ending it with some completion you're left feeling like it was an unresolved point. At least this way you get to see that Rey found him and it made people happy seeing him even if briefly.

I just think its so poorly done, it was my number 1 thing I wanted to see in the film, I cant tell you how excited I was and it just left me upset.

To clarify, I am fine seeing Luke at the end, I am not fine with how they showed it, there are a number of ways you could have filmed that scene that would make me happy, they chose a terrible one and because of that id rather they not have showed anything if that was the alternative.

 

[Republic of Ezo]

Just watched. 3 out of 4 stars, very entertaining but I have a few gripes. Han's death was done well, but the conflict feels pretty much directly recycled from Episode IV and VI (I know it's supposed to "rhyme") and the overall plot doesn't make any sense (why is there a Resistance when there is a New Republic?). Snoke (sp?) also seems like a pretty lame main bad guy.

 

[brandonh83]

I just think its so poorly done, it was my number 1 thing I wanted to see in the film, I cant tell you how excited I was and it just left me upset.

To clarify, I am fine seeing Luke at the end, I am not fine with how they showed it, there are a number of ways you could have filmed that scene that would make me happy, they chose a terrible one and because of that id rather they not have showed anything if that was the alternative.

I... didn't feel negative to the execution so I'll leave you with that. I'm just saying it would have been bitch city and people bashing JJ for yet again more unresolved points.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Here's a fun question I'll stick in here in lieu of making yet another goddamn Star Wars thread;

If this movie isn't a Star Wars movie, do you like it?

Clearly a loaded/unfair question (The strengths the movie has are based on the charactera and themes of the franchise itself), but I'm a bit curious.

I would. Im a sucker for sci fi/fantasy. Starship Troopers is probably my favorite movie of all time and that shit is corny as hell, although purposefully.

 

[Brakke]

Here's a fun question I'll stick in here in lieu of making yet another goddamn Star Wars thread;

If this movie isn't a Star Wars movie, do you like it?

Clearly a loaded/unfair question (The strengths the movie has are based on the charactera and themes of the franchise itself), but I'm a bit curious.

What would that even mean? If we take out all the Star Wars stuff we're left with nothing. A guy says "do you have a boyfriend? Cute boyfriend?" and another guy says "so who talks first?".

This movie is so concerned with Being Star Wars that I don't know what else it could be. Right now it's a New Hope rehash; otherwise it's a New Hope knock off.

 

[Frog-fu]

I wonder if Billy Dee Williams's son can act, he'd be perfect for a spin-off movie for Lando. The spitting image of his father.

Corey williams is an actor, so yeah, he can - but I think they're looking for a much younger Han. Like early-mid 20s.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

Just watched. 3 out of 4 stars, very entertaining but I have a few gripes. Han's death was done well, but the conflict feels pretty much directly recycled from Episode IV and VI (I know it's supposed to "rhyme") and the overall plot doesn't make any sense (why is there a Resistance when there is a New Republic?). Snoke (sp?) also seems like a pretty lame main bad guy.

Go 2 pages back for an explanation on the Resistance and New Republic.

 

[BattleMonkey]

The entire fleet was in that one system? And at the planets that blown up? In the entire galaxy?

I mean, Star Trek does the stupid stuff two where the entire fleet is either destroyed or not available, but it doesn't make it any less stupid.

Likely not a fleet, a few ships possibly at best. From the Aftermath novel and such, essentially the New Republic establishes itself like the Old Republic before the clone wars, in that it has no actual military force. At best they have a few judicial ships for official/legal matters, but not a standing military capable of warfare. Individual systems/planetary governments under the republic defend themselves, they are not controlled by the republic in any way like the Empire did. Like how Naboo getting invaded in Ep1, the republic had no military to intervene with, the Naboo people themselves had to fight off the invaders with help of the Jedi.

The resistance is essentially a republic aided group who are fighting against the First Order.

 

[Republic of Ezo]

I just think its so poorly done, it was my number 1 thing I wanted to see in the film, I cant tell you how excited I was and it just left me upset.

To clarify, I am fine seeing Luke at the end, I am not fine with how they showed it, there are a number of ways you could have filmed that scene that would make me happy, they chose a terrible one and because of that id rather they not have showed anything if that was the alternative.

Yeah they should have cut to the credits as soon as the Falcon went into hyperdrive, though I understand why they did it. Why was Luke just standing on a rock there waiting?

 

[Meowster]

I just think its so poorly done, it was my number 1 thing I wanted to see in the film, I cant tell you how excited I was and it just left me upset.

To clarify, I am fine seeing Luke at the end, I am not fine with how they showed it, there are a number of ways you could have filmed that scene that would make me happy, they chose a terrible one and because of that id rather they not have showed anything if that was the alternative.

The shot was terrible, it should have ended with a close up of Rey reaching out to Luke with his father's lightsaber, instead of that helicopter nonsense. But I think the hype was so strong that people were just pumped that we finally got to see him after all this time. Perhaps a different shot than the one used but I think people would have been really upset if it was just cut in general.

 

[BFIB]

Yeah they should have cut to the credits as soon as the Falcon went into hyperdrive, though I understand why they did it. Why was Luke just standing on a rock there waiting?

He probably sensed their presence.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Here's a fun question I'll stick in here in lieu of making yet another goddamn Star Wars thread;

If this movie isn't a Star Wars movie, do you like it?

Clearly a loaded/unfair question (The strengths the movie has are based on the charactera and themes of the franchise itself), but I'm a bit curious.

Well I loved Guardians of the Galaxy which is basically a Star Wars film without the Star Wars.

 

[Mr Cola]

Yeah they should have cut to the credits as soon as the Falcon went into hyperdrive, though I understand why they did it. Why was Luke just standing on a rock there waiting?

Because you cant film on that island in the night time, it has very peculiar rules

 

[JayTapp]

Just got back from watching the film so I can finally enter this thread.

Couple thoughts that I'm sure have already been beaten to death.

R2-D2 waking up and having the other part of the map..uh..did I miss something? That's really my only big gripe though, Rey being halfway decent with a sabre/force right off the bat is a little bothersome..

I loved the shock trooper or whatever he was that fought with Finn, but why not use Phasma in that scene?

Han and Chewy were great, Han's death was good and served to further build on Ren as a serious baddy. Interested in Snoke, what's his deal? Hopefully we see more of him in future films.

Rey and Finn were tremendous, great casting and great characters.

JJ played it safe which is understandable, moving forward I hope they step out of the shadow of the OT just a little. However I am glad the aesthetic style of the PT was kept away.

About the map, the Order mentionned they had the rest of the map recovered from Imperial archive. Same map, R2 has. Theyre were looking for the part BB-8 has.

 

[Matticers]

I had a couple of friends who firmly believed this had to be the case before the movie came out.


I asked them if they think all black people know each other/are related in the real world, too...

And here I was wondering if they would connect him to the Windu family if he ends up having force powers. Haha.

 

[BronsonLee]

I would. Im a sucker for sci fi/fantasy. Starship Troopers in probably my favorite movie of all time and that shit is corny as hell, although purposefully.

Troopers is such a WEIRD movie. Doogie Howser being a weird ass dude.

What would that even mean? If we take out all the Star Wars stuff we're left with nothing

That's kind of what I'm getting at. What's the best part about the new Star Wars movie? The answer seems like it would be 'It's Star Wars.'

That's...not very fulfilling

 

[aliengmr]

Here's a fun question I'll stick in here in lieu of making yet another goddamn Star Wars thread;

If this movie isn't a Star Wars movie, do you like it?

Clearly a loaded/unfair question (The strengths the movie has are based on the charactera and themes of the franchise itself), but I'm a bit curious.

There is such a heavy reliance on the franchise that I think its impossible to answer. TFA was made to be the reintroduction of Star Wars, which was never going to be easy, but could only be done they way that they did it.

The characters need the context of the franchise they are in to be measured.

 

[Nibiru]

Just saw it and I enjoyed it. There were no real "shit the bed" moments like in the pre-quels.
It felt very safe. I don't blame JJ because this was a lot of pressure and he did extremely well considering.

I just didn't like the story being so similar to A New Hope. When I saw that they were hunting a droid and that there was a bigger death star they had to blow up I was a little letdown.

I loved all of the characters except Poe Dameron. Isaac is a great actor but the character did nothing for me at all. He felt out of place like he didn't even have to be there.

Overall I give it an 8/10.

 

[Gnome]

Here's a fun question I'll stick in here in lieu of making yet another goddamn Star Wars thread;

If this movie isn't a Star Wars movie, do you like it?

Clearly a loaded/unfair question (The strengths the movie has are based on the charactera and themes of the franchise itself), but I'm a bit curious.

Thing is, this movie is trying so so hard to be Star Wars, that if it was just some Scifi flick, people would be calling it plagiarism, and would hate it.

 

[VistraNorrez]

The plot hole here is what Yoda said in Ep. 3 about it being some unique, speical thing. Prequels had all kinds of stuff in them that directly contradicted events from the OT.

Vader was confused by Obi-Wan disappearing. And as he was a pupil of Obi-wan, you'd think he would know about it being able to disappear of it was a common Jedi thing. As such it was always something of a mystery because going by ANH not all Jedi knew about it.

Lucas knows why Anakin was able to come back and he's only told Dave Filoni.

 

[brandonh83]

Yeah they should have cut to the credits as soon as the Falcon went into hyperdrive, though I understand why they did it. Why was Luke just standing on a rock there waiting?

Contemplating Jedi stuff? It's just what they do. Luke is obviously feeling a lot of conflict and he's on an adventure to find answers as he tried to start the Jedi order again and shit went bad AGAIN. That's why he's at the very original temple, hoping to find answers or insight and Rey finds him as he's in the middle of contemplation or who knows what.

Ending the movie before showing this would have been a terrible mistake, a major fundamental script flaw as, while it's still left open, the movie starts with "Luke Skywalker has vanished," the entire opening crawl was about how everyone is trying to find him. The first scene presents the MacGuffin that can help find him. It's what the entire story is about.

You can't set that up and just end before any level of payoff, and at least showing her finding him the next one can keep moving.

 

[Ashhong]

Yeah they should have cut to the credits as soon as the Falcon went into hyperdrive, though I understand why they did it. Why was Luke just standing on a rock there waiting?

It looked like Luke was standing in front of a make shift grave. I need to watch it again but I thought I saw a tombstone type thing. Thought he was mourning Han or something.

I too was unsatisfied with that ending. She doesn't say a word, and just holds out the lightsaber for forever. Felt awkward.

 

[TAJ]

Help me out here, guys. If that was Luke's academy in the rainy flashback then why didn't anyone have a lightsaber?

 

[Mr Cola]

Help me out here, guys. If that was Luke's academy in the rainy flashback then why didn't anyone have a lightsaber?

Because they were all dead

Also in Kylos right hand in the trailer he is holding another persons lightsaber in addition to his own

 

[blackdevil]

I loved all of the characters except Poe Dameron. Isaac is a great actor but the character did nothing for me at all. He felt out of place like he didn't even have to be there.

Overall I give it an 8/10.

that`s why he was supposed to die early in the movie^^ until J.J changed his mind.

I too was unsatisfied with that ending. She doesn't say a word, and just holds out the lightsaber for forever. Felt awkward.

yes it was way to long.

 

[Brakke]

That's kind of what I'm getting at. What's the best part about the new Star Wars movie? The answer seems like it would be 'It's Star Wars.'

That's...not very fulfilling

I don't disagree >.<

Honestly the most exciting thing about this movie to me is it 1) didn't suck and 2) established some cool ideas so that 3) I get to look forward to a new era of Star Wars video games and LEGO sets and maybe I'll read all the books this time since the EU was such a mess by the time I considered jumping in that I found it daunting.

From a pure cinematic experience like I had a way way way better time with Creed even last month. The movies were always the smallest part of Star Wars to me.

 

[KingSnake]

Here's a fun question I'll stick in here in lieu of making yet another goddamn Star Wars thread;

If this movie isn't a Star Wars movie, do you like it?

Clearly a loaded/unfair question (The strengths the movie has are based on the charactera and themes of the franchise itself), but I'm a bit curious.

If you take out all the Star Wars elements, It could work very well as Jeanne D'Arc movie.

 

[Vampirolol]

That's kind of what I'm getting at. What's the best part about the new Star Wars movie? The answer seems like it would be 'It's Star Wars.'

That's...not very fulfilling

It's a well made adventure movie, something very hard to find today.

 

[Republic of Ezo]

Go 2 pages back for an explanation on the Resistance and New Republic.

Still doesn't make any sense. There's a massive insurgency that has the power to make a planet-sized superweapon (implying that they certainly can marshal the resources that the previous Empire did in building the two Death Stars, if not even more), led by two known Dark Jedi/Sith (or whatever Snoke is supposed to be) and yet the New Republic decides to cut 90% of its military? What?

 

[Nibiru]

I should add that I loved Finn and Rey. It's so important to have great leads and they really did a great job there.

that`s why he was supposed to die early in the movie^^ until J.J changed his mind.

Didn't know that. That would have been great.

 

[TAJ]

Because they were all dead

Also in Kylos right hand in the trailer he is holding another persons lightsaber in addition to his own

They weren't all dead. You see a guy getting stabbed in the back and he doesn't have a lightsaber, either.

 

[DrForester]

 

[Durden77]

The worst part about this movie is that it's about to make me watch the prequels again. I just need more Star Wars and I've already seen this twice I shouldn't pay to go again.

It's going to be terrible..oh god why?!

 

[Divvy]

Still doesn't make any sense. There's a massive insurgency that has the power to make a planet-sized superweapon (implying that they certainly can marshal the resources that the previous Empire did in building the two Death Stars, if not even more), led by two known Dark Jedi/Sith (or whatever Snoke is supposed to be) and yet the New Republic decides to cut 90% of its military? What?

All major organizations in this universe are stupid as fuck. At least it's universally stupid on both sides of the spectrum.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

Still doesn't make any sense. There's a massive insurgency that has the power to make a planet-sized superweapon (implying that they certainly can marshal the resources that the previous Empire did in building the two Death Stars, if not even more), led by two known Dark Jedi/Sith (or whatever Snoke is supposed to be) and yet the New Republic decides to cut 90% of its military? What?

They cut the military back thirty or so years ago before the First Order were even formed. The First Order have assaulted a few outposts but are still based in the unknown regions of space. The Resistance only find about it's creation during the events of the film. As for resources, I'm assuming there are several untapped planets in the uncharted regions. But other than that, Star Wars. I doubt JJ and Kasdan gave that much thought to how they'd build it.

 

[-griffy-]

That's kind of what I'm getting at. What's the best part about the new Star Wars movie? The answer seems like it would be 'It's Star Wars.'

That's...not very fulfilling

I think the best part is the characters, and that it's fun, and that fun is largely because of the characters being fun (and digging down further, mostly the new characters being fun). The humor is largely character based and has nothing to do with it being a Star Wars movie, but the characters having very human reactions to the situations they find themselves in. So I'd say I'd enjoy the movie if it weren't a Star Wars movie, but it being a Star Wars movie with Star Wars shit that is also fun because of fun characters makes it even better.

 

[Nostremitus]

Why does young Anakin have a Maz Kanata statue in his bedroom in Episode 1?

You see it as Anakin is about to show C3PO off for the first time.

 

[Brakke]

Still doesn't make any sense. There's a massive insurgency that has the power to make a planet-sized superweapon (implying that they certainly can marshal the resources that the previous Empire did in building the two Death Stars, if not even more), led by two known Dark Jedi/Sith (or whatever Snoke is supposed to be) and yet the New Republic decides to cut 90% of its military? What?

Conceptually, the New Order operates on the Outer Rim outside the jurisdiction and even surveillance capabilities of the Republic. That doesn't really track with the movie though, given it's incoherent sense of distance and space geography.

Even the Resistance who exist specifically to know about The Order barely know about Starkiller.

 

[Real Hero]

that neil degrasse tyson guy is annoying

 

[blackdevil]

Didn't know that. That would have been great.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/wait-redacted-was-supposed-to-die-in-the-force-awake-1748949179

 

[BFIB]

The worst part about this movie is that it's about to make me watch the prequels again. I just need more Star Wars and I've already seen this twice I shouldn't pay to go again.

It's going to be terrible..oh god why?!

If you haven't watched the Clone Wars cartoon, then watch that rather than the prequels.