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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #3) - That's Not How the Force Works
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doesn't it raise other questions? Why he was already troubled, he had both loving parents, his uncle and well-being in general. Or is it a flaw of a character something he was born with? If yes, it kinda makes him innocent by default, what I don't particularly like and it makes grownups around him failures at rising a child too.
Escape Goat
Member
Plus the Awesome 'Duel of the Fates' song from Williams.
No, the edit made a great movie better because it cut off unesessary bits of that was in my opinion obsolete. My problem my TFA has nothing to with the amount of content but simply the content itself. See, two movies with their own different problems.
excelsiorlef
Member
Han and Leia's kid, groomed from a young age by Snoke, obsessed with his Grandfather was sent to Luke by Han abd Leia, shit went bad.
Details presumably to come in VIII AND IX
Shuggananas
Banned
How could Snoke reach Ben though ? That's weird.
Maybe he was one of the coold dudes before and then turned out to be evil (a la palpatine) ?
Maybe he was one of the coold dudes before and then turned out to be evil (a la palpatine) ?
heliosRAzi
Banned
I liked Kylo Ren, I liked that he was being torn between the Light and the Dark, but man, it would've been nice to see what turned him to the Dark.
I hope they'll show that in some flashback (as I said before two times? (lol)
Just buy 50 new EU books, and play the official mobile game to fill in the gaps.
The Librarian
Banned
Nope! Sorry! Rey's scene is better.Wrong.
Search your feelings...you know it to be true.
Need more Snoke backstory.
Apparently he's been around since the days of Palpatine. And he's powerful with the dark side but is not a Sith. Makes me wonder if he was a former Inquisitor (as seen in Star Wars Rebels in case you don't know what that is).
excelsiorlef
Member
Possibly through the force. But yes also possibly Palps style.
I'd probably also have to go with "I am your father!" as my #1.
Vader lifting the Emperor as the Force lightning fries them both is probably my 2.
The lightsaber flying past Kylo might be my third tho.
I think Finn lighting up the saber at the end was a bigger moment, than Rey's.
ehhh no way
She refused the saber earlier, that's way stronger moment and one of strongest in the movie.
There is a lot more I'd love to know about Kylo.
This is the first movie of many so I am sure we'll get all the backstory we want...i hope.
The Lamonster
Member
I really love how they made Kylo Ren's voice sound while wearing the helmet. Can't wait to get my hands on the blu ray and listen to this film with some nice headphones.
The Librarian
Banned
Even though Rey has an entire arc dedicated to accepting the lightsaber and all the implications that has for her future.
But okay.
If it weren't for the music and cinematography in that moment being genuinely spine-tingling, I would disagree with you.
But the wide shot of the forest, her clutching it and Kylo staring at her, coupled with the iconic 'the force' theme hitting home over the top... Legit gives me shivers at how powerful it was. The fact that the shot is held for a good 5-10 seconds, too. Perfect.
In terms of actual story, it was an almost meaningless moment. 'No, I am your father' is definitely better.
But in terms of execution... Rey's scene is so much more powerful
Imagine the kind of shit that's going to happen in Ep 8 and 9...
excelsiorlef
Member
Riiiiight.....
That makes no sense.
Rey's is a half a movie build. More if you think of it as the moment she decides to not go back to Jakku
Union Carbine
Member
I really liked Ren jabbing his wound. I just wish they didn't totally forget about it halfway through the fight.
Obi Wan v. Vader in ANH is just more impactful because of the stakes and Obi Wan's sacrifice. By the time of the fight in TFA, the Star Killer was already disintegrating. It's too bad they couldn't have tied in Han's death to it more meaningfully.
Obi Wan v. Vader in ANH is just more impactful because of the stakes and Obi Wan's sacrifice. By the time of the fight in TFA, the Star Killer was already disintegrating. It's too bad they couldn't have tied in Han's death to it more meaningfully.
Totally. And I'd like to think Kylo loves it too since he is the most powerful and menacing with the helmet on. Without it - he feels a bit weaker I think.
The Librarian
Banned
This is factually wrong. Rey has an entire arc dedicated to accepting that lightsaber.
..what? I mean, it's a cool scene and maybe my favorite part of the movie. But better than the "I am your father" moment!? You're out of your mind.
heliosRAzi
Banned
We hope. A new hope.
But for me, for my personal enjoyment of the movie, it would've been nice to have a substantial hint as to why he did.
Digital-Hero
Member
It's up there, but not the best in my opinion. I really liked it and the fight though.
ultracal31
You don't get to bring friends.
A meh movie that needs to be edited by a fan doesn't make it "better"
Oh yeah, I would have loved that too.
Even after the screening of Episode 1 George Lucas said something like "...I think we tried to put too much in there"
So the movie has 46 minutes worth of obsolete scenes? You can't really pretend that doesn't exist because a fan edit removed them, they're still there. A fan edit isn't the movie, the movie is.
Can you imagine if you removed 46 minutes from the TFA? It couldn't be done, pretty much every scene is important.
The Librarian
Banned
Yeah, better than that.
I've seen the movie three times. Not only is it so badass, but it's the best moment for female empowerment in the franchise.
An SW movie that has a female protagonist and didn't treat her like crap. Who woulda guessed?!
Shuggananas
Banned
Scene is great but it was a bit too obvious that it was going to happen
Maybe if they didn't show her waking up/seeing Finn fight Ren it would have been a bit less obvious. Dunno.
GuitarAtomik
Member
I don't think we know enough about Force Ghost "rules" to know for sure. Maybe Force Ghost Anakin didn't think he needed to step in until it was too late. Maybe Snoke's Dark Side presence made it impossible. Maybe he did show up but Ben ignored any advice Anakin would have given since the Dark Side considers Dark Side identities to be totally separate from anything that came before and presumably after.
The Librarian
Banned
I read the spoilers beforehand. I knew it was coming.
Didn't ruin the scene at all. It's all about the execution. And the Episode 7 crew fucking nailed it.
Shuggananas
Banned
It didn't ruin it but it would have been better if it was unexpected imo
ultracal31
You don't get to bring friends.
Lucas still released it as is but he's the bloody director of the movie.
I'm pointing out that Episode 1 isn't "better" after a fan edit because it's not offcial and 100% of edits are terribly done with hard cuts and no sense of thinking of the overall story.
It's just "oh I'll just remove the bad bits"
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
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Vader's reveal @ the end of the movie was great, and Hayden did a good job with the "I hate you" line, he was a lot better all around in ROTS than he was in AOTC. Palpatine was AMAZING. Once he was found out and disfigured by Windu, he was such a fun, menacing villain. Plus the film had General Grievous who was fantastic, loved his fight with Obi-Wan. TFA on the other hand had Andy Samberg in a mask and a hologram of Azog from the Hobbit, so the film suffers a bit for not having an iconic villain like past films. Also, Ewan did an amazing job as Obi Wan.
ROTS is still my favorite film in the series because it has the best lightsaber fights, some of the best CG, and unliike TFA it actually has battles set in space (the intro) and the movie's plot makes sense. The Force Awakens, as much as I loved it, falls apart if you think about it too much. The Starkiller base firing across the galaxy and being visible from the surface made no sense and is one of the problems with the film.
Also, the music in ROTS was better than TFA.
Lucas still released it as is but he's the bloody director of the movie.
I'm pointing out that Episode 1 isn't "better" after a fan edit because it's not offcial and 100% of edits are terribly done with hard cuts and no sense of thinking of the overall story.
It's just "oh I'll just remove the bad bits"
Let me just be clear. Im with you 100% on this.
I loved the statement from Lucas on "Well we cant take anything else out because they are all tied together!". Such a disaster of a movie.
ultracal31
You don't get to bring friends.
Same can be said about ROTS but hey opinions what are they?
PlayALLtheGames
Banned
Which makes no sense because she barely knows Han at that point.
ultracal31
You don't get to bring friends.
Ooooh my bad, thought you were defending fan edits.
heliosRAzi
Banned
When Kylo searched her mind and saw that she looked at Han like a father-figure, I was like "Really?"
Hell no! lol
Digital-Hero
Member
ROTS falls apart for one since Lucas didn't get an older Anakin for Ep3. Anakin turned into a young man to a senior citizen in a 23-26 year span. Don't believe it. Anyone know the exact time between Ep3 and Ep6?
Interfectum
Member
~ 23 years I think
Between 3 and 4: 19 years
Between 4 and 5: 3 years
Between 5 and 6: 1 year
Could be off by a year or two somewhere.
The Librarian
Banned
It was unexpected in that moment. When that lightsaber was pulled and went flying through the air, I thought it was going to Kylo.
Then it went right past him and landed in Rey's hands.
I cheer. Movie crowd cheers.
heliosRAzi
Banned
It was unexpected? It was telegraphed from a mile away. That doesn't detract from the moment, but it was obviously going to happen.
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