LegendofLex
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I'm reasonably sure that in the long run a female character becoming the lead of a new generation of Jedi is going to be a bigger moment for society than the "I am your father" one was for pop culture.
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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #3) - That's Not How the Force Works
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I'm reasonably sure that in the long run a female character becoming the lead of a new generation of Jedi is going to be a bigger moment for society than the "I am your father" one was for pop culture.
Rentahamster
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Bobby Roberts
Banned
I've heard a few people say they were disappointed because they thought it'd be Luke grabbing the saber, so when they saw that it was just her, they were deflated.
One of my favorite moments in TFA, but nah. Not the best moment in the SW franchise.
The Librarian
Banned
It was in my opinion.
Union Carbine
Member
Really? What made them think Luke was anywhere near there?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Wishful thinking, I guess.
heliosRAzi
Banned
I would've hated that. MacGuffins should stay Macguffins
What's hard to understand. A girl that literally has had no family for most of her life. Clearly looks up to Han, he even offers her a job and he is helping them giving advice. It's the exact reason why she's attached to Finn. No one has ever helped her like this.
Not to mention they all come rescue her on Starkiller base.
Shuggananas
Banned
I doubt that. It's cool, sure, but don't expect star wars to fix sexism.
The Librarian
Banned
Not only would this have been horrible from a story telling perspective (undercutting Rey), but it would've continued Star War's trend of treating its female characters like shit...by undercutting Rey.
DragonSworne
Banned
The lightsaber should have flewn to Han Solo where he says the titular line right before killing Kylo.
Union Carbine
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I'm not so sure. it would be nice but that's a tall order. I think, what will help, is when (if?) they move Rey out of Luke's shadow by giving her a story arc more of her own, rather than just following versions of Luke's beats.
Atraveller
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I thought Luke was coming back and whoop Kylo's ass, but I love that moment just the same.
Interfectum
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Kylo Ren, you really are the last of us. *slash*
Dubbedinenglish
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Lightsaber should've just flew away. Then roll credits.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
A lot of "fixes" I've seen from people who didn't like the movie that much seem to share that underlying similarity.
Shuggananas
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The Librarian
Banned
Hmmmmm
Interfectum
Member
Future PhaZe
Member
two criticisms I had that seemed blindingly obvious to me was the idea of luke saving the day at the end and kylo ren only revealing his face in the scene where Han bids him to
but I guess the Luke thing might not have been possible depending on their plans for VIII
heliosRAzi
Banned
Not enough setup for me, is all. No build up. I perfectly understand it, it just doesn't resonate with me as much as it could.
The Lamonster
Member
"Jub Jub, Ben."
Interfectum
Member
Luke was hiding in the Falcon the entire time!!
It also simply wouldn't have made sense from Luke's character perspective. If the first thing we are told in the movie is that Luke has vanished, and everyone is searching for him, and learn throughout that he was so stricken with guilt and grief because his nephew turned to the dark side and his new Jedi academy was destroyed that he fled and isolated himself, then why the fuck would he suddenly show up on Starkiller Base right there?
The Lamonster
Member
"I never thought I'd be smuggling myself, again!"
Vincent Alexander
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I'm about 99% certain that is Coruscant we see get blown up. Can anyone confirm or shoot this down?
In the movie they say it is the Hosnian system that is destroyed. That planet is Hosnian Prime.
It was Hosnian Prime.
Shuggananas
Banned
Vincent Alexander
Member
You two had ONE job---to back me up. And you just let me burn.
Thank you though. I had no idea.
heliosRAzi
Banned
A lot of people didn't.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
By far the worst in the movie in my opinion. Despite Binary Sunset mildly playing, I hated the fact that it basically 'spoiled' the fact that she was gonna kick Rens ass.
DarkJediKnight
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Bobby Roberts
Banned
Burning Homestead, actually.
(also the title of the unproduced sequel to Love Actually)
greatestjediever
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enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
I wonder if Jar Jar will show up in Episode VIII.
I'm guessing those sneaky Gungans have quite the lifespan...
I'm guessing those sneaky Gungans have quite the lifespan...
Fallout-with-swords
Banned
I assume you feel the same about Luke losing Obi-Wan so soon after meeting him.
DragonSworne
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People who complain about the StarKiller and it blowing up being rushed or that it felt shallow, how did ANH set up the destruction of the death any better?
Digital-Hero
Member
Haven't heard many people talk about this but I noticed it on my second viewing of four.
Kylo: "An ocean"
Kylo: "An island.... I see it"
as he searched Rey's mind. It seems that he saw where Luke is without realizing it. Pretty funny.
Kylo: "An ocean"
Kylo: "An island.... I see it"
as he searched Rey's mind. It seems that he saw where Luke is without realizing it. Pretty funny.
LegendofLex
Member
The Death Star basically was the antagonist of ANH.
So when Starkiller Base is just a backdrop in TFA, people think (rightly) that it's shallow in comparison.
But, of course, it's just a backdrop because the real star of the show is the conflicts between characters and the decisions the characters make that shape those conflicts.
Grover Cleveland
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No joke, I kinda wonder what happened to Jar Jar after the fall of the Republic.
Maybe Wrinkles threw him a bone and gave him a position somewhere in the Empire. After all, none of it could ever have been possible if JJ didn't give Palpatine emergency powers in AoTC.
The Lamonster
Member
Are we expecting Poe to have an expanded presence in the next film?
He was a great character that I feel was underused in TFA. Hoping he becomes a major player and not the next Wedge.
It should be Rey/Finn/Poe as the next Luke/Leia/Han.
He was a great character that I feel was underused in TFA. Hoping he becomes a major player and not the next Wedge.
It should be Rey/Finn/Poe as the next Luke/Leia/Han.
WadiumArcadium
Member
True, but I'm guessing there's quite a few planets with oceans and islands to search. It helps him narrow it down a bit I guess.
HerbertFish
Member
Did they give any explanation in the movie what planets they blew up?
It's ultimately not all that important that people know specifically what planet/system is destroyed (and they only casually throw out the name of the system in the film, they don't dwell on the name). That's essentially flavor text/new EU fanboy stuff. That the new Republic's senate and fleet is destroyed is the important bit. That info is there, and I think people only miss it if they watch Hux's speech and see "Space Nazi evil dude speech" rather than actually listen to and process the words he is saying (and the follow-up exposition when we get to the Resistance base).
I think an early scene, like the rumored deleted/cut scene of Leia on Hosnian Prime meeting with the woman who gets some CU face time as Hosnian explodes, could have helped the importance of that destruction land with a bit more impact though. Perhaps Leia learns of the attack on Jakku and the kidnapping of Poe at this point so it's not just a total non-sequitur. But I also could see them being wary of any scenes involving a senate or senate members, as well as scenes cutting away from the new characters early on (and wanting to preserve a better intro for Leia later on).
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