LegendofLex
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It's the system where the Republic government is currently housed.
The Resistance refers to the system as the Hosnian system during the movie. The specific planet where you see Republic senators gathered is called Hosnian Prime.
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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #3) - That's Not How the Force Works
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It's the system where the Republic government is currently housed.
The Resistance refers to the system as the Hosnian system during the movie. The specific planet where you see Republic senators gathered is called Hosnian Prime.
Digital-Hero
Member
Well that is my point. He saw what he wanted to see without knowing what he was seeing. Hidden in plain sight practically. If he knew I'm sure the First Order could track it down eventually depending on whether it is charted.
Interfectum
Member
Yeah. TFA was originally written for Poe to die (at the Tie Fighter crash). I guess JJ liked him enough to bring him back. I expect his character to be fleshed out better next movie.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
From this page.
It's not, it's the Hosnian System
This will help. The senate rotates from planet to planet - ala the Olympics.
TPM Edit > TPM Original > TFA
I don't write anything about the scenes not existing. Seriously stop using your interpretations of anything you think I've written between the lines of my posts, it's pretty cut and dry what I meant that TPM is better than TFA however, the edit which I posted was better than TPM (Origianl) in my opinion.
HerbertFish
Member
I read all that. I was wondering if it was in movie specifically.
The first Death Star and Tarkin are collectively the main villain of A New Hope and the entire plot revolves around destroying the Death Star (Leia gets the Death Star plans, gives it to R2, who finds Kenobi, who brings Luke along, who rescues Leia, who takes them all back to Yavin to destroy the Death Star). The plot of Force Awakens doesn't revolve around Starkiller base what so ever, it's a backdrop to Kylo and Rey. With that said, I don't feel Starkiller base felt shallow or rushed entirely because it wasn't meant to be the focus of the movie.
I really liked that little bit. Ren found Luke without even realizing it. Meanwhile when you first hear that line you just figure Rey is dreaming about oceans and islands because she lives on a fucking desert but at the end of the movie you realize she was getting Force visions of Luke.
WadiumArcadium
Member
Bobby Roberts
Banned
LegendofLex
Member
Oh, no big deal then. They just need to elect new senators and move the Senate to the next planet.
Well, the big problem was that the Republic's own (expensive) fleet was destroyed and whatever they were doing to support the Resistance would have been disrupted, so the Resistance could only scramble whatever ships they had at hand once their own system was targeted.
-ImaginaryInsider
Member
The Force Awakens does the minimal job it does setting up Starkiller because the movie expects people are already familiar with the Deathstar, which kind of points to ANH doing a pretty good job of setting it up.
Messypandas
Member
The first scene in the movie deals with the plans to blow it up, the importance they have to both parties and the fact they are fighting over them. In this film they learn of the planets existence half way through and then throw up some projector schematics while cracking jokes about its size and how theres always a weak spot. Kinda lame.
heliosRAzi
Banned
We were with Obi Wan for most of the movie, from the beginning of the second act to the beginning of the third. Plus, finding Obi Wan was the first act's goal.
Poe says one line about it. I don't blame you if you missed it. Especially since it's mentioned well after Hosnian was destroyed
Atraveller
Banned
I love Han's "It's big, so what?" line, as much as people like to complain about the ANH similarities, I feel like the movie was actively trying to make people see past that, and focus on the characters.
Generalpsyduck
Banned
I found it weird that when the Republic fleet was destroyed it was only like 5 ships.
Digital-Hero
Member
Budget cuts.
Union Carbine
Member
Eh, not quite. First, you can read his speech metaphorically as opposed to literally. Second, he's not exactly a reliable source, particularly when he's spouting propaganda to his minions and, third, even if he thinks it's true, how do we know it's true?
heliosRAzi
Banned
Emperor Palpatine cutting the budget again?
Luke doesn't care about his "friends".
-ImaginaryInsider
Member
Thanks Mon Mothma.
Honestly, this time felt like the First Order did actually try to address the problems the Empire faced that messed up the first two Death Stars.
They covered up the actual weak point, didn't use it until it was actually finished, kept an internally powered shield up around it to keep unwanted ships out rather than relying on something off site, and (seemingly) built it entirely with a brainwashed internal workforce to prevent information on it from getting out (at least going by how the Resistance acted like they were caught off guard by it).
Granted, the ultimate lesson is that they should have learned is to just expect the unexpected, given what the heroes actually did to undermine all that.
People keep on railing on this scene, but I fucking loved it. To me it was a supremely economical scene. I've seen comments like "WTF? They come up with a plan to blow it up in 5 minutes? That's dumb," when I'm thinking in a single scene they managed to clearly explain to the audience exactly what is going to happen during the climax, what characters are going to be doing what and why, and in a scene that includes most of the primary characters and is also entertaining on its own merits. Now the audience knows what Han, Finn and Chewie need to do on the surface, what Poe and the X-wings need to do, and understand why the characters decide to adapt when things aren't going according to plan.
And on top of all that, it was a Star Wars as hell scene. Group of characters we like, working together and coming up with a plan, and going to execute that plan. It was one of the scenes that made me think "Fuck yeah! Star Wars!" during my first viewing.
It's pretty damn easy to discern what is pure propaganda in that speech (The Republic, Leia, and her Resistance being evil) and what's legit (they are going to blow up the Republic's shit because they don't like them). Why would we have any reason to think that he is lying about blowing up the Republic's senate and fleet when we see several planets and the ships floating in orbit destroyed?
HerbertFish
Member
System doesn't explicitly say what planets. That's what I'm asking here man.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Finn & Han basically get the lion's share of the quality one-liners.
WadiumArcadium
Member
"That's not how the Force works" and "Oh, you're cold?!" are my favourites. Great double whammy.
Messypandas
Member
The funniest bit was
"Be careful with those they're explosive"
"Now you tell me"
Kinda under-appreciated.
"Be careful with those they're explosive"
"Now you tell me"
Kinda under-appreciated.
Maybe that's another reason why fans aren't as hugely warm to Rey. She's not stoic or cold, but she's not a one liner quipper either. Which isn't to say she doesn't have any lines ("STOP GRABBING MY HAND!" or "And I will drop my gun"), but others have more, and the very appeal of oneliners or quips is that they stick in the mind.
Then again, Luke didn't have too many either, so....
Then again, Luke didn't have too many either, so....
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Rey's funniest moment is her pointing at the tape thing and Finn completely missing it like six times in a row.
"No. No. No, what I'm POINTING at. No. NO."
"No. No. No, what I'm POINTING at. No. NO."
heliosRAzi
Banned
...so it must be sexism. Guys, if you don't like Rey, you're a sexist.
Both times I saw the movie, I laughed when Rey kept pointing at a different tool that Finn wasn't grabbing. "No. That one! The one I'm pointing to!" I love stuff like that.
Was gonna post something similar. Spot on.
Union Carbine
Member
Not sure if they come across as great lines but she had some nice exchanges with Finn early on Jakku.
Luke in ANH was, for most of the film, somebody we wished talked less.
EDIT:
That's a great one too.
WadiumArcadium
Member
Haha, yep. I love that scene.
I've mentioned it a few times; it's my favorite line in the film. "You imagine an ocean. I see the island." The wording is interesting. I think it doubles as foreshadowing for Luke's location, and as metaphors for the paths Rey and Kylo are on (one is expanding her possibilities, the other, isolation within them).
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I think it's probably the single best scene in the whole movie, actually. Finn's trying to con a soccerball, the soccerball is trying to help Rey, Rey's trying to save everyone's life, Finn's trying to impress Rey, Rey just wants a roll of tape, they JUST pulled off a semi-miraculous escape, and all of it just works perfectly.
Droid please
droid triple take
thumbs up
Boyfriend, cute boyfriend
what I'm pointing at. No. No. No.
All in about 2 minutes.
Then the button to that gag when BB-8 rolls right over to it, and swings his head to within inches of it like "THIS ONE DUDE," and Finn finally grabs it.
Kitschkraft
Member
^ I thought this was a nice moment with Rey.
I didn't say that. I try my best to stay out of the sexism debate because emphasizing it too much centers the discussion around the fact that Rey is a woman more than I like. That she is a woman is very important, both within the franchise itself and greater cultural landscape, but more important is that she is a good character that's also a woman. My only strong contention is people who want to act like sexism can't possibly be a factor in their judgement or that it is a completely irrelevant subject matter. Then I hit them with the research saying otherwise. But other than that, I'd rather focus on Rey as a character.
WadiumArcadium
Member
I didn't even notice this. Going again tomorrow so I'll look for it.
friskykillface
Banned
Solo the god B^) , loved those lines
-ImaginaryInsider
Member
^ I thought this was a nice moment with Rey.
Agreed, the "You're offering me a job" moment was great too.
The Librarian
Banned
THIS I think is Rey's funniest moment. She's just so fucking pleased with herself.
^ I thought this was a nice moment with Rey.
"I bypassed the compressor!"
Oh my God, there were so many eye rolling scenes in the Falcon.
^ I thought this was a nice moment with Rey.
^ I thought this was a nice moment with Rey.
It's great cause Rey is so damn happy that she figured it out (seriously, look at that face), and Han's face is 100% "Huh, how did I not think of that."
The Librarian
Banned
I really enjoy that scene. The only awkward part is the "cute boyfriend" line.
BB's thumbs up such an out of left field bit, catching everyone by surprise. This is partly why I wish the pace of the film were not quite so breathless. I wanted a few more scenes like this for the characters to just be with each other, rather than running from destination to destination. They keep it going admirably during the action, but a bit more breathing room would have been great.
Han's must.not.look.impressed face is hilarious.
Between comparing Finn to Jar-Jar and this, I'm convinced you watched a different movie than everyone else. The scenes on the Falcon were some of the best in the film.
PlayALLtheGames
Banned
Still happens too fast to be believable.
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