excelsiorlef
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They established that both in the opening and the scene where she looks out on all the greenvand breathes it all in.
They absolutely show that she has an ability to embrace calm and let it be part of her
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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #3) - That's Not How the Force Works
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They established that both in the opening and the scene where she looks out on all the greenvand breathes it all in.
They absolutely show that she has an ability to embrace calm and let it be part of her
Oooh, "facts", oooh, "factually wrong".
Of course it was an important scene. But it was a well-telegraphed plot moment which you could see coming from a mile away. Still perfectly executed, but pretty run-of-the-mill, basically. 'Meaningless' was the wrong adjective on my part, admittedly.
The 'I am your father' scene is obviously way more important story-wise. It's an actual twist which overshadows everything else in the series and impacts on every other plot point.
well I admitted I'm demanding, let's say it's my character flaw lol
anyway, thanks for an answer, I'll try to look into it once more.
Monocle
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It's an actor's job to spin gold out of anything that ends up in their script, no matter how dumb. See: Anne Hathaway's love speech in Interstellar, and Noomie Rapace's lines about belief in Prometheus.
Actually, for the best examples of all, watch the YouTube Comment Reconstructions on the YouTube channel Dead Parrot.
This is nonsense. An actor still needs competent direction to do their job correctly. Under the same circumstances I can't think of an actor that would've done a decent job in his role. And hell the love speech is still trash.
Post less.
There is a shot in there with the island having more of a foggy/pre-storm atmosphere. Wish they would have gone for that but they probably shot what they could during whatever weather they got. Would have fit the last scenes better. Some shots before she meets Luke looked too touristy clean.
In the "George Awakens" article, I was bowled over by this quote:
The author included this, presumably, as a note of sympathy; immediately prior he claimed that Lucas' success "obscured his vulnerability as a human."
But... um... what? To make a living, and/or to be venerated? Those are the only reasons someone might make a movie?
Isn't there any room for the idea that maybe someone might... care about what they're making? Might want to share their vision, maybe even their art with the world and entertain, captivate, even provoke emotion in an audience?
I've seen that behind-the-scenes footage you're talking about, the panic and dread in the crew, many many times now. But I didn't get what I was actually looking at until having read the quote above: people watching a movie made by a man who made it so that people would think he was great for making it, and realizing that he was going to end up being mocked instead.
FlashbladeGAF
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Its not that he was weak, he got shot by chewie's mega crossbow, just got done killing his father (leaving him mentally screwed up which affected his connection to the force, and got done fighting and taking a hit to the arm from the "Traitor".
Kylo's real name is Ben (Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi) Solo
StalkerUKCG
Banned
I see two options for Phasma
She had way more scenes which got cut.
Boba Fett wasn't going to turn up and they needed someone to slap on key art and sell toys.
Also the last scenes on the island really irk me. The island just reminds me of Ireland which I'm fairly used to seeing and doesn't feel at all magically or special
She had way more scenes which got cut.
Boba Fett wasn't going to turn up and they needed someone to slap on key art and sell toys.
Also the last scenes on the island really irk me. The island just reminds me of Ireland which I'm fairly used to seeing and doesn't feel at all magically or special
That's preposterous! Ireland is magical and special.
Yeesh, I never thought of it that way.
Did Luke move there to evade taxes (for his new Jedi order)?
LegendofLex
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In practice these two (bolded) things play out more similarly than most people probably realize, especially in the age of the filmmaker as artist where films are ultimately judged as the products of their producers/directors. A film captivating an audience is, according to the way films are discussed today, the very same thing as a director captivating an audience.
bigwinnerx
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Listening to this week's Full of Sith, community ethos in this thread would go a long way (and I'm guilty of breaking it, so, starts with my own actions).
I think he just wanted some good ol magical beer.
-ImaginaryInsider
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It's the land of leprechauns and whiskey!
*Everything I know about Ireland, I learned from television.
Fair enough. Can't blame him for that.
Wow. Amazing
I'm glad you wrote this so I didn't have to. There is nothing un-Star Wars about Rey or her actions in the film.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Huh? Aunt Beru in the first film says hi.
Honestly, the only great Star Wars movie is ESB imo, even then it has some of it's own issues. The rest of the six are, eh..
thats how I feel too. Indiana Jones has always been the superior Lucas trilogy
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Well sure but only 10 minutes after
She still had more lines than Mon Mothma and was in the first film.
Twilight Gap
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it always bothered me how Luke got over the death of his aunt and uncle and then ben so quickly.
Spieler Eins
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Except Temple of Doom is almost prequel tier with not only one, but two Jar Jar prototypes throughout the entire thing.
I was just scrolling back through the discussion and realized this, you're correct. But...that's still an awfully short list.
Fancy Clown
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Temple of Doom > Last Crusade. And it's honestly not even close.
Even Crystal Skull is better than any Star Wars movie.
Skull is great
Straight up.
Grover Cleveland
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Fuck em.
They were holdin the boy back.
If it wasn't for them, Luke would have been stormtrooper #234342423 to get blasted in some battle and the Death Star eventually destroys Yavin IV and the Rebel Alliance. So yay Owen and Beru?
Hellwarden
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The problem with the Force Awakens is that its basically crams movies 4 and 5 into a single movie, and the characters have to act just about as competent as the original cast was the end of 5 as a result.
The problem is that it's not that enjoyable to watch a character develop that fast.
Luke was a clueless idiot for a lot of his travels. Rey, Finn, Poe, they all start out competent and only become more competent as the movie goes on. Sure they're not Gary Stu/Mary Sue's, but they're not particularly captivating either.
The problem is that it's not that enjoyable to watch a character develop that fast.
Luke was a clueless idiot for a lot of his travels. Rey, Finn, Poe, they all start out competent and only become more competent as the movie goes on. Sure they're not Gary Stu/Mary Sue's, but they're not particularly captivating either.
Twilight Gap
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That just comes with the pace of Star Wars and melodrama. It's consistent throughout the series. Some people complained the same about Han's death although I think the film stays with, returns to, and responds to his death more than ANH does with Obiwan's or anything in the prequels.
Weren't they just a couple of dryed up prunes who were holding him back?
Labeouf is a revelation as babby Jones.
WadiumArcadium
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Haha.
Fancy Clown
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FYI everyone, the above insane views in no way represent my own, or that of any other sane person who acknowledges Temple of Doom as being the superior Jones sequel
Spieler Eins
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The direction was quite good, as was the photography. The issues with the film really come from scripting and editing (which also fall to him).
Luke was hard as fuck from the get go. Saw the people who raised him die, shrugged and moved on.
Luke was a sociopath who turned into a serial killer by the 3rd movie. Killing innocent animals for amusement ("I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home") should have raised all kinds of red flags.
30yearsofhurt
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Lifejumper
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Visually it will be amazing at least. The godzilla trailers were mindblowing.
Rouge will be dope. Space cannibalism and space martial arts.
Fancy Clown
Member
Will it have space wooden acting and characters from everyone involved like Godzilla too?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I don't even think it's the scripting as much as it is the editing. Everyone knows there's 20 minutes of this movie that came out of the final cut (which was Abrams'), and it seems pretty clear, based on what we knew WAS in there before it got delivered to theaters, that the 20 shouldn't have come out.
There was a point where Kasdan said they thought the movie was in good shape, they just wanted to get it down to a shorter length. It's starting to seem like they should have stepped away from the movie right around when he said that, instead of working to get those extra 20 off the film.
But then again, in this alternate universe where they don't do that, do we have 3 Spoiler Threads consistently poking over the fact the film drags in spots and overexplains shit?
Who knows.
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