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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #3) - That's Not How the Force Works
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Last Crusade > Temple of Doom > Raiders
TheDinoman
Member
Turned on Smash Wii U and went into Tourney Mode, and I saw there was a community tourney named "Han Solo Dies".
oh dear
oh dear
People are weirdos.
Also remember how he heartlessly traded R2D2 and C3PO to Jabba.
30yearsofhurt
Member
I speak only the truth.
If Luke downed Ren he would be wearing a Kylo skin suit soon after.
Revenge of the Sith man, dismemberment plus lava equals Obi Wan is a glorious asshole.
I'm on the pro-Rey side but this is bugging me because it's incorrect. Mon Mothma is never named in RotJ, and Beru was named in ANH.
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
I recently watched the movie on Saturday and I got to say it was OK but I wasn't blown away or anything like that. I guess part of the Star Wars "magic" is lost on me because I'm older now and I start to analyse or critics things that seemed off to me versus my younger self who would have simply enjoyed the movie for what it was and ignored all of it's flaws.
Has anyone here ever watched the anime Cromartie High School? Throughout the movie every time they glossed over a detail it felt like they paused the movie for a margin of a second and put up a sign on the screen that read "To find out more just read the new expanded universe". Not that I expect the movie to go into details about the many new things it's introducing to the franchise and much less to explained them to the mass audience but it was very jarring to see this happen throughout the whole movie.
A personal small disappointment of mine is that they did nothing with the Star Wars Rebels cast and no hint of Darth Maul in the movie so I fear for the fate of both of those parties in this new expanded universe.
Has anyone here ever watched the anime Cromartie High School? Throughout the movie every time they glossed over a detail it felt like they paused the movie for a margin of a second and put up a sign on the screen that read "To find out more just read the new expanded universe". Not that I expect the movie to go into details about the many new things it's introducing to the franchise and much less to explained them to the mass audience but it was very jarring to see this happen throughout the whole movie.
A personal small disappointment of mine is that they did nothing with the Star Wars Rebels cast and no hint of Darth Maul in the movie so I fear for the fate of both of those parties in this new expanded universe.
I agree that's the largest issue. With script I was mostly referring to hauling out a 3rd death star in the 3rd act, rather than following the chase for Skywalker's location through.
I really hope we get to see a good hunk of those 20 missing minutes from the longer cut when the blu-ray hits, as Abrams has said would be the case. Some of the issues with the film might be addressed in just a couple of them, rather than a 20 minute longer cut. (My own big problem is the film sprinting into the action of the 3rd act right after the fight at Maz's place, leaving Maz's exit to be "You have one!"; we know there was a sizable scene cut in between.)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=191345996&postcount=6958
The overall point was, the role of women in the OT. The video and I both forgot Beru, but I think the general point still stands.
Indiana Jones is the best. I've even grown to appreciate Temple of Doom (which has an amazing soundtrack), even though I thought it was really bad the first time I saw it. You just don't get bug tunnels, mine-cart chases and confrontations on unstable bridges in films any more...
Also, the interplay between Sean Connery and Harrison Ford in The Last Crusade is wonderful. Even Crystal Skull has a bunch of really good, fun parts.
There probably won't be a special edition, Abrams just said that the deleted scenes will be on the blu ray.
Unless the deleted scenes were unfinished or unscored though, like some of the prequel deleted scenes, hopefully someone will be able to put them back into the movie fairly well and we can see what it may have been like.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
There's certainly a lot of inconsistencies about her, but the fact she can pilot a ship well isn't one of them
WadiumArcadium
Member
It wouldn't have made any sense anyway. The vast majority of people watching this film don't know Rebels exists or that Maul survived. That and the Rebels crew are probably dead or retired. Same with Maul.
In the 2nd trailer we see a shot of Maz handing Leia the lightsaber, which was likely from the scene cut after the battle. The bit we see of Maz is finished, at least. Hopefully the rest of the scene was also.
you just spoiled Rebels to me, didn't you?
and on top of that I've been lied to, Sith are not dead.
WadiumArcadium
Member
Rebels is still ongoing so no.
Darth Maul isn't in Star Wars Rebels, if that's what you mean. The Clone Wars retconned his death in TPM and said that he survived and got a robotic body from the waist down. It's almost certain that he was supposed to die by the end of the show, but the show got cancelled so we don't know until they get around to releasing more of the unused TCW scripts. But it's a safe bet that he died, probably during the Siege of Mandalore.
excelsiorlef
Member
Oh wow one extra who dies after like 5 min of screen time and is never mentioned again.
Female representation in Star Wars has been pathetic up until TFA
Digital-Hero
Member
I thought WadiumArcadium says he's in Rebels
missunderstanding
carry on
edited: on second thought, so Sith aren't dead yet
at least not officially?
figures
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
I know but being a big fan of those two parties I would have loved a reference or a some sort of hint. Ezra is only 14 years older than Luke IIRC some I wouldn't write him off just yet unless he dies in his show though I would like to think that he survives and becomes a vagabond Jedi.
As for Darth Maul I'm not sure how fast his race ages but at least he's alive for now in the comics so I hope to see him in the big screen one day again.
Gozer the Gozerian
Member
The Holiday Special is so fucking bad. Like it's not even so bad it's good where you can watch the whole thing while laughing along, it is just.... so bad.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Rian Johnson is writing a treatment for Episode IX, but there's no "actual" writer(s) announced yet.
Gave me goosebumps, I love how she is legit terrified. Same in the interrogation room. I know I'd be fighting back tears hard in that situation if I wasn't already bawling my eyes out.
FlashbladeGAF
Member
which is why she was getting owned even in the forest fight, before overcoming her fear (w/ the Force) and fighting the way she normally does.
But in her defense, if I had a vision of Kylo and his crew killing everyone, I'd be scared too.
Are you ragging on an Ewok classic?
Liquidsnake
Banned
Daisy is gonna be a next level actress.
Best female character in the franchise and one of the main faces of the franchise for the past 6+ years
Guaranteed.
excelsiorlef
Member
Best female character in the franchise and one of the main faces of the franchise for the past 6+ years
That you have to point to a cartoon spin off only boldens my point.
You said Star Wars everything is fair game and on equal footing. If you mean the movies say that.
excelsiorlef
Member
It's clear what I was talking about and even then, that's one character in a single show.
Twilight Gap
Member
So where do I sign for live action Ahsoka x Ventress spinoff set after Episode III? (not Rebels)
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
To be fair the show is canon, spearheaded by Lucas and is the single biggest set of content for the franchise aside from the movies.
My biggest issue is the film just doesn't give you time to breath resulting in some pretty hectic pacing issues.
It starts in typical Star Wars fashion with the action piece introducing Finn, Poe, and Ren. Then introduces Rey. Next scene after that is the Escape piece. Followed by Finn and Rey meeting, following by their escape from Jakku. Followed by the next the Han and Chewie which ends in another damn escape sequence.
About every 10 to 15 minutes, we were greeted with another action set piece and it gets exhausting. Because of that, they were never really able to build up any suspense. Since it takes the most from ANH. The Deathstar is hinted at from the beginning. It's power is shown off. They get caught by it and instead of a quick action scene. It builds. Starts off slow by sneaking around and discovering bits of it. It escalates properly.
TFA just dumps you into it every damn time and it hurts the pay off in the end.
The positive side to that is... the new cast is absolutely fantastic. I was surprised with how much I liked every single one of them. Rey, Finn, Ren, and Poe. While the plot was a retrend. The characters weren't at all.
It starts in typical Star Wars fashion with the action piece introducing Finn, Poe, and Ren. Then introduces Rey. Next scene after that is the Escape piece. Followed by Finn and Rey meeting, following by their escape from Jakku. Followed by the next the Han and Chewie which ends in another damn escape sequence.
About every 10 to 15 minutes, we were greeted with another action set piece and it gets exhausting. Because of that, they were never really able to build up any suspense. Since it takes the most from ANH. The Deathstar is hinted at from the beginning. It's power is shown off. They get caught by it and instead of a quick action scene. It builds. Starts off slow by sneaking around and discovering bits of it. It escalates properly.
TFA just dumps you into it every damn time and it hurts the pay off in the end.
The positive side to that is... the new cast is absolutely fantastic. I was surprised with how much I liked every single one of them. Rey, Finn, Ren, and Poe. While the plot was a retrend. The characters weren't at all.
gutter_trash
Banned
Correct. Star Wars to me is exclusively a movie experience
excelsiorlef
Member
That's wonderful and I'm glad she exists but people posting her picture to counter my point that Star Wars hasn't treated women all that well aren't actually doing so.
It's not just Rey (though she is huge) that makes TFA's treatment of women better, it's Tey +Leia + yes even Phasma + women stormtrooper + women in both Resistance and TFO bases + women X-Wing Pilots
And even TFA is still majority male.
Good thing Lucasfilm and Disney disagree!
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Nah, clone wars was generally WAY better about the handling of women than the prequels and OT. Lots of characters on the good and bad side. The films though were a lot worse, especially the prequels. What the absolute fuck was this?
The context for the discussion was the movies, in particular contrasting the OT to TFA.
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