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Waldini · Jan 6, 2016

Can't wait to start discussing Episode 8 once filming commences in several weeks. I need my fix of leaks!

Interfectum · Jan 6, 2016

bud said:
just saw it. didn't get one thing: why did he call darth vader his grandfather?

Because he is?

Shuggananas · Jan 6, 2016

because vader is leia's father ?

what if snoke is actually just an AI with an hologram

Sephzilla · Jan 6, 2016

bud said:
just saw it. didn't get one thing: why did he call darth vader his grandfather?

because he's the grandson of Vader. His parents are Han Solo and Leia. Leia's father is Vader.

Arthea · Jan 6, 2016

bud said:
just saw it. didn't get one thing: why did he call darth vader his grandfather?

is this a serious question? I can't tell anymore with everything that's going on in this thread.

Leia is his mother, Vader's daughter.

Interfectum · Jan 6, 2016

Zabka said:
Yo what if Rey is Qui Gon Jinn's grandniece

Well she was taken in TFA.

DiipuSurotu · Jan 6, 2016

Tawpgun said:
I believe Serkis mentioned that snoke is an entirely new character to Star Wars. Not plagueis. Certainly not Vader lol

Plagueis is still new since he never made a physical appearance in Star Wars canon.

bud · Jan 6, 2016

oof. don't even remember that. i should really rewatch the first three films.

Inferno313 · Jan 6, 2016

bud said:
oof. don't even remember that. i should really rewatch the first three films.

You really don't remember "No, I am your father!"?

Because you don't even need to remember that Luke is Leia's sister. It was in the opening crawl of TFA!

bud · Jan 6, 2016

ban me now.

QuantumZebra · Jan 6, 2016

Zabka said:
Yo what if Rey is Qui Gon Jinn's grandniece

What if Rey is Qui Gon Jinn?

ThatCrazyGuy · Jan 6, 2016

I hope she is not related to anybody. Good lord.

Inferno313 · Jan 6, 2016

Guys...

I got it.

Rey Rey Binks.

TyrantII · Jan 6, 2016

bud said:
just saw it. didn't get one thing: why did he call darth vader his grandfather?

Because Anakin Skywalker is his Grandfather.

Anakin > Leia > Ben

Hawkian · Jan 6, 2016

Waldini said:
Think Ben is refering to the Force. The Light Side calling to them both...

Arthea said:
anger of course

Haha. Well there's the spectrum I guess. Their facial expression are both hard to read at that moment, in a good way. Solid performances from both Ridley and Driver

It seems ambiguous, like maybe Rey isn't sure what he means, I'm not altogether sure the audience is supposed to know, I guess?

Come to think of it I suppose we don't 100% know what the "awakening" refers to, do we? Just theories for now

foxtrot3d · Jan 6, 2016

Triggerhappytel said:
'His'? KotOR 2 made it canon that Revan was a woman. Did they retcon that?!

Revan is a dude.

The Exile was a woman.

That was the canon as per TOR.

Rentahamster · Jan 6, 2016

I highly doubt Snoke is Vader. That would make like, zero sense.

Interfectum · Jan 6, 2016

TyrantII said:
Because Anakin Skywalker is his Grandfather.

Anakin > Leia > Ben

That would make Anakin his Grand Uncle since she's Luke's brother though.

Imperfected · Jan 6, 2016

bud said:
oof. don't even remember that. i should really rewatch the first three films.

Eh, it's no big deal. Even though it's common knowledge in Star Wars terms that Leia is Vader's daughter, it's honestly such a bizarre and sideways-slanting plot point that it's pretty easy to forget about.

It's arguably the weirdest plot beats of the original trilogy. "We're brother and sister. Vader is our father!" "Okay." And then it never matters in any narrative sense for Leia again.

OraleeWey · Jan 6, 2016

Kylo Ren and Rey are siblings? Possibilities?

Scorpion Soldier · Jan 6, 2016

Guys, why are we still discussing who Rey's father is? It's clearly Porkins, no need to speculate.

Interfectum said:
That would make Anakin his Grand Uncle since she's Luke's brother though.

Eh, no it doesn't.

TheOfficeMut · Jan 6, 2016

bud said:
just saw it. didn't get one thing: why did he call darth vader his grandfather?

Lmao you sure you saw the movie?

bud · Jan 6, 2016

TheOfficeMut said:
Lmao you sure you saw the movie?

snape kills dumbledore at the end, right?

Waldini · Jan 6, 2016

OraleeWey said:
Kylo Ren and Rey are siblings? Possibilities?

So Luke mind-wiped them both? Again, it's possible but pure speculation. Luke could've told Leia and Han to shut the fuck up about it though. Or, he mind-wiped them too lol

TheOfficeMut · Jan 6, 2016

bud said:
snape kills dumbledore at the end, right?

Ugh, no. Vader has a boxing match with a resurrected Apollo Creed aboard the death star.

TyrantII · Jan 6, 2016

Tawpgun said:
I believe Serkis mentioned that snoke is an entirely new character to Star Wars. Not plagueis. Certainly not Vader lol

My only wish is Disney ponies up some of the billions they made to find a competent creature creations biz to do Snoke justice through prosthetics or animatronics.

He's a main character for darths sake.

Scorpion Soldier · Jan 6, 2016

bud said:
snape kills dumbledore at the end, right?

Frodo throws the ring into the exhaust port of Starkiller base to blow it up.

Hawkian · Jan 6, 2016

Interfectum said:
That would make Anakin his Grand Uncle since she's Luke's brother though.

Dude. What. Ben is the son of Anakin's daughter. If Anakin Skywalker had a brother, he would be Kylo's grand uncle.

edit: or if Padme had a brother :-/ Sometimes these days I forget that Padme Amidala is canon and it's so nice for a few minutes

dani_dc · Jan 6, 2016

Clearly Luke got together with Obi-wan daughter, thus making Rey both a Skywalker and a Kenobi.

Interfectum · Jan 6, 2016

Scorpion Soldier said:
Eh, no it doesn't.

Hawkian said:
Dude. What. Ben is the son of Anakin's daughter. If Anakin Skywalker had a brother, he would be Kylo's grand uncle.

Ben is the son of Luke's sister. Vader is Ben's grand uncle. JJ messed up and Rian needs to fix this in Episode 8.

DragonSworne · Jan 6, 2016

3rdman said:
I think its unfair to call sexism in this particular case. The movie is lacking an establishing scene which we see Rey's ability to fly or at the least, her knowledge of it.

You make a comparison to Luke suddenly able to fly an X-Wing but you overlook the fact that he had a "T-16 back home" and we even see it in the background in his second scene in ANH. He even holds a model and "plays" maneuvers with it.

Rey on the other hand, shows no inclination/knowledge of flying at all prior to the moment she announces that she is in fact a pilot.

I can't comment much on TPM as I last saw that film in the theaters when it originally released and I refuse to bother with it again. Even so, I do recall that we are introduced to Anakin as a podracer (pilot) and so when he jumps into a ship, it "somewhat" makes sense.

What are you doing talking about? Rey is obviously a flight nut. She knows everything about the Falcon because she is obsessed with it. She knows the ins and outs of the star destoryers. See even wears the helmet of a rebel pilot in the beginning of the movie. Plus, she says she has flown before.

What more do you need to establish that Rey not only knows how to fly, she is in fact a fanatic?

Sephzilla · Jan 6, 2016

Interfectum said:
Ben is the son of Luke's sister. Vader is Ben's grand uncle. JJ messed up and Rian needs to fix this in Episode 8.

.....you're joking right?

Alx · Jan 6, 2016

"Rey, I am your uncle's friend's second cousin twice removed !"
Getting closer to Spaceballs every day.

Hawkian · Jan 6, 2016

Interfectum said:
Ben is the son of Luke's sister. Vader is Ben's grand uncle. JJ messed up and Rian needs to fix this in Episode 8.

I am concerned that you do not know what an uncle is.

Arkanius · Jan 6, 2016

Interfectum said:
Ben is the son of Luke's sister. Vader is Ben's grand uncle. JJ messed up and Rian needs to fix this in Episode 8.

What?

Anakin fathered Luke & Leia, which Leia had a son (Ben)

Anakin is Ben's grandfather.

DiipuSurotu · Jan 6, 2016

Imperfected said:
Eh, it's no big deal. Even though it's common knowledge in Star Wars terms that Leia is Vader's daughter, it's honestly such a bizarre and sideways-slanting plot point that it's pretty easy to forget about.

It's arguably the weirdest plot beats of the original trilogy. "We're brother and sister. Vader is our father!" "Okay." And then it never matters in any narrative sense for Leia again.

It was Lucas' half-baked way to resolve the Luke-Leia-Han love triangle.

ThatCrazyGuy · Jan 6, 2016

I thought Snoke looked pretty not great either. Too CG looking. Like the pale orc Azog. To clean.

dani_dc · Jan 6, 2016

Interfectum said:
Ben is the son of Luke's sister. Vader is Ben's grand uncle. JJ messed up and Rian needs to fix this in Episode 8.

Code:

     Anakin-Padme
           | 
   ------------------ 
   |                |
Luke                Leia-Han Solo
                        |
                       Ben

donny2112 · Jan 6, 2016

dani_dc said:

Yeah, Owen is Ben's Great (Step) Uncle.

Serpens007 · Jan 6, 2016

3rdman said:
I think its unfair to call sexism in this particular case. The movie is lacking an establishing scene which we see Rey's ability to fly or at the least, her knowledge of it.

I don't know, she kinda flew the Millenium Falcon though she struggled a little with it.

Imperfected · Jan 6, 2016

DiipuSurotu said:
It was Lucas' half-baked way to resolve the Luke-Leia-Han love triangle.

As much as I want to hate on it, it admittedly worked out a thousand times better for him than Rowling's attempt at sorting out the Harry-Hermione-Ron thing.

"Slap a sibling on it" is an inelegant but pretty decisive way to end a love triangle. (Murder also works.)

donny2112 · Jan 6, 2016

Imperfected said:
As much as I want to hate on it, it admittedly worked out a thousand times better for him than Rowling's attempt at sorting out the Harry-Hermione-Ron thing.

Ginny rocks. What's the problem there?

televator · Jan 6, 2016

I got to the Kenobi and Satine arc in TCW. There's every indication to certainty that Kenobi and Satine got it on during their past. And there is reason to think that Satine would be capable of hiding an offspring from Kenobi for their strong ideological differences.

donny2112 · Jan 6, 2016

dani_dc said:
Clearly Luke got together with Obi-wan daughter, thus making Rey both a Skywalker and a Kenobi.

This would rock. Long live the Kenobi line!

Imperfected · Jan 6, 2016

donny2112 said:
Ginny rocks. What's the problem there?

Hermione/Ron was an unpopular enough way to close that out that Rowling got guff from fans for years, and ultimately even stated she regretted it, if I remember correctly.

Lucas sidestepped that pretty well.

Hawkian · Jan 6, 2016

donny2112 said:
Yeah, Owen is Ben's Great (Step) Uncle.

that's right. I always forget there was an actual marriage relation to the lars folk

EGM1966 · Jan 6, 2016

FloatOn said:
guys have you heard this theory that snoke is vader???

I can see it now. In the fire Vader's "soul" seperated from Anakins and has been slowing reforming into physical form via the power for the force in a "kind of" Sauron from Lord of the Rings manner.

TyrantII · Jan 6, 2016

dani_dc said:

The real Mary Sue of the Star Wars universe. That lineage...

Interfectum · Jan 6, 2016

TyrantII said:
The real Mary Sue of the Star Wars universe. That lineage...

Not really. Padme had a heart attack in her late 20s. Bad genetics.

ajpw · Jan 6, 2016

FloatOn said:
guys have you heard this theory that snoke is vader???

its clearly moff tarkin

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