Pointing out structural sexism is the real prejudice!
Where have I heard this pattern before...
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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #3) - That's Not How the Force Works
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Pointing out structural sexism is the real prejudice!
Where have I heard this pattern before...
Behind and to the left of artoo.
Being an 80's kid and having seen the movie 100's of times in 4:6, that was totally missable. Wasn't until the widescreen versions got released again that I was able notice so much more.
Saw it for the first time, and liked it a lot. The only ding for me is that it never succeeded to take me out of my brain. As a result, I saw Han's death coming a mile away, Rey force-grabbing the lightsaber too which was apparently an 'oh shit' moment for many people.
That being said, it was really great. I did appreciate some of the setups in the movie where the payoff was subtle but great:
Kylo Ren force-stops a laser blast mid-air in the beginning of the movie -> completely fails to do this after killing his father due to his emotional state
Kylo Ren looks into Rey and says he sees the island she dreams of -> that island is actually where Luke is, which is what Kylo Ren wanted to know about in the first place
I like stuff like this.
That being said, it was really great. I did appreciate some of the setups in the movie where the payoff was subtle but great:
Kylo Ren force-stops a laser blast mid-air in the beginning of the movie -> completely fails to do this after killing his father due to his emotional state
Kylo Ren looks into Rey and says he sees the island she dreams of -> that island is actually where Luke is, which is what Kylo Ren wanted to know about in the first place
I like stuff like this.
You're making a parody of yourself. Find me saying sexism isn't a problem or it isn't real. Anywhere, ever. You won't manage to, if you even deigned to try. If you did try you'd find the opposite more often than not.
So like. What do you think you're accomplishing by taking this stance? Do you think your snarky derision is going to be persuasive? Do you often find that accusing people of being Secret Misogynists shocks them out of it? Does it just feel good to set yourself up as having better insight into people's unconscious biases than they do themselves?
Ah yes, NOW I understand his piloting credentials.
Behind and to the left of artoo.
DrForester
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Escape Goat
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Mind wipes? Rey is Kenobis child he fathered during an affair on the cartoon? Rey doesnt need to be so complicated. The galaxy is full of bad parents. It can be as simple as that.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
I did, it was great. Particularly during the X-Wing/TIE Fighter scenes. Hopefully they include it with the Blu Ray.
Then Luke remembered that other people could not hear his thoughts.
Behind and to the left of artoo.
Wow.. after all these viewings, never noticed his ship is there. It's in pieces, right?
The Lamonster
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Also, Biggs vouches for him as a pilot just before the Battle of Yavin.
Escape Goat
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Biggs and Luke flew their T16s through Beggars Canyon which is very narrow.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
I don't think so, that's just what the T16 looks like from that angle.
I loved the exposed look, he's seen things man. Loved Anakin's arm in RotS too, was a pity ye could only see it in 2 scenes.
Yeah, I loved that. Women were present at all levels of the place.
edit: also re: flying, I just assume flying is like the driving a car of the Star Wars universe. It's also made obvious that Rey is one of those people suffering from the idiom of "living your life in chains even though you had the key"
I agree! #teamshittyparents
QuantumZebra
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you da real mvp
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Why doesn't everyone in our universe have velcro shoes? They seem pretty useful.
I agree, all my shoes are Velcro. You have my sword.
This is all one galaxy right? Has it ever been named in anything?
Real Edit: My mind keeps editing out the tentacle dinosaurs, that was weird.
Escape Goat
Member
Velcro can wear out. What do you do when that happens? Buy a whole new shoe?
Yo that bread looked good and all but that fractal brocolli snack thing was rad as heck.
This guy. It's a real plant!
Actually here's a thing: how often *does* Star Wars have real world flora / fauna?
Yo that bread looked good and all but that fractal brocolli snack thing was rad as heck.
This guy. It's a real plant!
That thing look so cool. I just want to use it as a table setting.
I'm stealing this. I can see it being very useful in many contexts.
Yo that bread looked good and all but that fractal brocolli snack thing was rad as heck.
This guy. It's a real plant!
Looks amazing but tastes horrible though.
The point being, that the hyperdrive seemed to be the only thing really broken, which was easily fixed. It outmaneuvers Star Destroyers, etc.. takes multiple direct hits, etc. It didn't live up to all the trash talk people in the film did about the Falcon, IMO. Leia saying "You came in that thing, yadda yadda.." (she's a Princess, sure, but she's also working with a lot of Rebel equipment which isn't the best quality either)
Whereas Han's hyperspace tricks in TFA, the gas threatening to kill all onboard, etc seemed to make it feel that way for me.
He could have fathered a parent of Rey during the clone wars. But not with Satine
Because she died pretty quickly after they split
Its just being used as showing he wasn't a monk when it came to women. It was made clear enough (as far as a kids show can) that they got jiggy.
I'm responding to the people who get all in a huff at the thought that this blatantly obvious double standard might, just maybe, have some roots in sexism.
Also I'm hardly saying anything particularly radical or shocking. This is Feminism 101 stuff right here.
This is an example of taking dialogue too literally and assuming a linear scale is being used.
We know Star Wars ships move many thousands of times light speed from them traveling those distances in hours. Therefore, the logical conclusion is that Han didn't mean 1.5 c when he said .5 past light speed. That'd be kinda like assuming Warp 4 is four times Warp 1.
There are better examples of wonky science in Star Wars, like people clearly seeing explosions of planets in different solar systems.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Fuck, I've been wanting to ask this since premier-day but I kept forgetting about it!
When the dialogue between Han and the bounty-dudes go
"something someting Kanjiklub"
"something someting Kanjiklub"
"tell that to Kanjiklub"
*Kanjiklub enters the fight*
The fact that Kanjiklubb is mentioned three times in a row, is that supposed to be like a funny direction? I always cringe when it happens because it feels so weird that it's being repeated three times.
When the dialogue between Han and the bounty-dudes go
"something someting Kanjiklub"
"something someting Kanjiklub"
"tell that to Kanjiklub"
*Kanjiklub enters the fight*
The fact that Kanjiklubb is mentioned three times in a row, is that supposed to be like a funny direction? I always cringe when it happens because it feels so weird that it's being repeated three times.
In ESB Han and Chewie were working for a long time just get the Falcon functional... and problems kept impeding their work as things literally blew up in their faces and caught fire. Since near the beginning of the movie, the Falcon is purposely set up as a borderline death trap piece of junk. Take a ship like that, put 30 years of wear on it, and exchange it between multiple owners who probably took poor care of it and that's the state of everyone's favorite flying garbage heap in TFA.
If that's true, how the hell does he get it in or out of there?
Escape Goat
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Disclaimer: This thread is meant to have fun trying to apply logic to a science fantasy universe. No scripts or wizards allowed.
In The Empire Strikes Back the Millennium Falcons hyperdrive is damaged. The Falcon evades the Imperials in the Hoth asteroid field. Later, the Falcon sets course for Bespin to repair their hyperdive. Bespin is in another star system and travelling at sublight speed it would take more time than the films depicted. This also answers the question of just how long Luke trained with Yoda.
We could reasonably assume Han, Chewie and Leia worked for a few days on the Falcon. We might also assume their hyperdrive was totally inoperable otherwise they could have hyperspaced away from the Imperial fleet to begin with. If they had to rely on other propulsion it might have taken a few weeks to a couple months to reach a nearby system. Any longer and Luke/Falcon probably would have needed more supplies.
In The Empire Strikes Back the Millennium Falcons hyperdrive is damaged. The Falcon evades the Imperials in the Hoth asteroid field. Later, the Falcon sets course for Bespin to repair their hyperdive. Bespin is in another star system and travelling at sublight speed it would take more time than the films depicted. This also answers the question of just how long Luke trained with Yoda.
We could reasonably assume Han, Chewie and Leia worked for a few days on the Falcon. We might also assume their hyperdrive was totally inoperable otherwise they could have hyperspaced away from the Imperial fleet to begin with. If they had to rely on other propulsion it might have taken a few weeks to a couple months to reach a nearby system. Any longer and Luke/Falcon probably would have needed more supplies.
"Kanjiklub wants their investment back, too"
"I never made a deal with Kanjiklub"
"Tell that to Kanjiklub"
Didn't feel weird to me.
OricWindstar
Member
I think it is a bit of a rhythmic joke when you find out they're waiting on the ship.
Disclaimer: This thread is meant to have fun trying to apply logic to a science fantasy universe. No scripts or wizards allowed.
In The Empire Strikes Back the Millennium Falcons hyperdrive is damaged. The Falcon evades the Imperials in the Anoat asteroid field. Later, the Falcon sets course for Bespin to repair their hyperdive. Bespin is in another star system and travelling at sublight speed it would take more time than the films depicted. This also answers the question of just how long Luke trained with Yoda.
We could reasonably assume Han, Chewie and Leia worked for a few days on the Falcon. We might also assume their hyperdrive was totally inoperable otherwise they could have hyperspaced away from the Imperial fleet to begin with. If they had to rely on other propulsion it might have taken a few weeks to a couple months to reach a nearby system. Any longer and Luke/Falcon probably would have needed more supplies.
There are millions of pages of threads on TFN about how they got from Hoth to Bespin.
I thought the general consensus was a backup short range (an really slow) hyperdrive, the backup drive being like a spare tyre thus why they didn't just use it to jump from the Imperial Fleet. There is also reasoning that they were attached to the avenger for a fair amount of time to get to Anoat. As Leia asks where they are when she'd have known they were just outside the Hoth belt.
The slow speed of the backup gives Luke enough time to train properly on Dagobah as well.
(that was an official thing on the star wars site)
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Thanks for the quotes!
No but seriously, I can't be the only one who cringes during this part?! I'm perfectly fine with it if it's a 'joke' and I'm not understanding this kind of humour though!
Is Rey more like 50 cent or Jay-z? On that note is Finn more Paul or Ringo? BB-8 is clearly Katy Perry and Kylo is obviously Beck.
It's not supposed to be super funny it's just light banter to show Han's still got it.
I've actually had banter like this IRL. It's funny. I like it, and it's an example of how dialog in TFA is more human and less robotic than the PT.
LegendofLex
Member
See, I'd consider this a valid point, but when others try to levy these same criticisms at Luke, you have many of the same people rushing to criticize Rey rushing to Luke's defense, usually using the same kinds of evidence for their defense that are being used for Rey.
That doesn't bode well to the idea that the characters are being treated equally.
Jesus, that's a tight landing/departing zone. Is there like 3 feet of space on all sides?
I've seen it 5 times and although I found the name more weird than usual for a SW universe, no cringes here. None the whole movie. The name should have just been shorter/flowed better. The closest I got to cringing was watching the Rey/Kylo struggle in the torture chair, but upon more viewings, its significance and feel grew on me.
Escape Goat
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There are millions of pages of threads on TFN about how they got from Hoth to Bespin.
I thought the general consensus was a backup short range hyperdrive (which is fucking stupid)
(that was an official thing on the star wars site)
Texas Freedom Network?
Even if they used a backup how much time elapsed between leaving Hoth and arriving at Bespin?
Astral Dog
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I guess Kanjiclub is a funny name
See my edited post.
I believe the prevailing theory is a couple of weeks to a month giving Luke time to train.
It's all filling in the blanks because it doesn't make sense in the movie.
I think Serenity from Firefly has a lot in common with the Millennium Falcon and was potentially even inspired by it: to the untrained eye, obviously a piece of junk, and not without her many legitimate mechanical issues and need for frequent repair, but when piloted by someone with some heart at the helm, she just might surprise you.
One of my favorite little moments in TFA is when Rey realizes that the ship they've stolen- one she'd personally worked on for her boss and considered to be garbage- was in fact the legendary Millennium Falcon, a ship she knew as the yeah-that's-right-still record-holder of the shortest Kessel Run... even if Han allowed word around the galaxy to shortchange the record by a couple parsecs in his years out of the game.
I mean, it's a small moment of humor in that Han is lying his ass off since he's unaware that the two groups have already communicated with each other and Kanji Club (or whatever) is actually there on the ship
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