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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #3) - That's Not How the Force Works
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The new Boba Fett
Okay then.
I agree. A nice balance would've been better. I still enjoyed the new movie, though.
Not all of them end up developing their own cult following though.
hipsterpants
Member
If they plan to bring TR-8R back to create some new memes it won't work, because that isn't how memes work in the first place.
Some dumb EU book could be kind of amusing though.
Some dumb EU book could be kind of amusing though.
At the bare minimum, the music.
Yes, and the things TFA is good at makes it a good movie, while the things the prequels are good at makes them, at best intriguing movies.
Like, acting and characters are the core point of movies. If you don't have characters, who are well acted, you almost certainly don't have a good movie by any standard definition.
He must certainly be dead from that bowcaster shot. Then again, Kylo Ren lived only wearing a thin cloth of robe...
Yeah if they bring him back they need to make him an actual proper character.
Jest Chillin
Member
They don't care about creating new memes. If they bring him back it's so they can sell a ton of merchandise like they've done with Boba Fett.
I can agree with this. I would say the new movie is a better film than any of the prequels, but I was disappointed that it didn't expand the universe more.
Completely tangential to film quality, but how many new alien races / vehicles / droid designs were introduced in the prequels? How many in the new movie? The new film doesn't even use very many of the original trilogy ship designs.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I saw some people upthread suggesting maybe the film should have ended before actually arriving at the island, and while I can see the argument for that, I also disagree, for completely selfish reasons: No trip to the island, no "Jedi Steps" on the soundtrack.
So the island stays.
So the island stays.
WadiumArcadium
Member
I thought it was a clever way to end it. Showing Luke but nothing more is a great way to build anticipation for VIII.
Inferno313
Banned
I mean, I think if they did that it would require a significant re-structering wherein Luke isn't the central mcguffin. I assume most people arguing that idea are approaching it from the perspective of not liking the teasing cliffhanger at the end, is that right? If so, then it'd be an even bigger tease and much less of an impactful ending if the film were to end with: "Sweet we got the map to Luke... The end!"
Considering the movie is built around finding Luke, the island is kind of needed at the end.
Sorcerer
Member
Sorry, about that, I know you were joking, I was throwing out a general question. I mean Plagueis was pretty much pre-Empire and all that.
Messypandas
Member
The only problem I have with the Luke ending is it means we'll probably miss him seeing R2 and Chewbacca for the first time in years in VIII. I do think it would have been cool for the Falcon to hypespace and that leads straight into the "Directed by JJ Abrams" star credits.
I thought the prequels were awful, but it wasn't because I thought the cast sucked (Hayden was pretty bad, although that could also be attributed to the terrible dialogue). The cast of the prequels is damn talented. MacGregor was a great choice for young Obi-Wan, and I'd definitely like to see him reprise the role, and maybe get some good material to work with. The cast of the prequels certainly wasn't why the movies were mediocre/awful to watch.
I think it could work if the opening scene of VIII is a little more extended sequence of the Falcon's journey to the planet in the ending (e.g. interactions b/w Rey and Chewie, a little more exploration of the island before discovering Luke). Then we get the interactions and go into training montage mode as a detailed timeskip.
Maybe you mean self-serving?
The small number of new alien / droid / ship designs has three negative effects.
First, it makes the universe feel smaller. In a huge universe, the characters would run into new stuff all the time; if they are running into lots of stuff we've already seen, it seems as though it's because that's all the stuff there is.
Second, it makes the film feel like more of a re-tread of old material. I suppose this can also be viewed as a positive, as it is a play on nostalgia.
Third, it makes it feel as though the the universe is stagnant (although this is probably somewhat intentional). This film is set ?thirty? years after the end of the original trilogy; that's not a massive time leap, and we do see some updates (the new stormtrooper outfits), but more new "stuff" would have emphasized that this is a new era.
Plus new stuff is cool?
Yep. As I was sitting in the theater that's exactly how I thought it was about to end. As soon as you hear that BOOM from the ship taking off, wipe to the stars and credits and the end music kicks in.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I said I could see the argument, not that I agreed with it, heh.
A lot of people just naturally assume when discussing things on the internet that the key source of all disagreement is a fundamental lack of understanding. In my experience, most of the time if I'm disagreeing with you it's because I understand the stance being taken pretty well, I just think it's not great.
FlashbladeGAF
Member
I'll tell you how that dramatic scene would have played out
L: Chewie old buddy
C: WROOOOARRR
L: I missed you too, Chewie. R2..
R2: BLEEP BLOOP BLEEP *whistle* Bleep BLOOP
L: (smiles) yes, I do look like him now.
cut to next scene
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....Yeah, I kinda want that scene now.
EDIT: But it makes sense why we could forgive not seeing legacy characters reunite, if the two legacy characters don't speak.
But emotions and nostalgia and on screen magic goddamn it.
What a weirdly prescriptive attitude. You should broaden your film-consumption horizons, there's a ton of super worthwhile films out there that don't take characters or acting as their primary project.
This is true, but they are still the primary strengths that give more power to this particular set of films.
PrivateWHudson
Member
That's really what I thought was going to happen. Hyperspace to black screen with credits. Back To The Future style. I almost feel like they thought about that and wanted to put the Luke scene mid credits like Marvel, but changed their mind at the last minute so they didn't get crap for copying.
Interfectum
Member
Sure but the SW prequels aren't those films.
Shitty plot, shitty placing, bad acting, crap dialogue, wooden characters... but at least Naboo looks pretty?
Don't worry, we still might get this when they have to come up with a reason for why Force Ghost Obi-Wan looks like Ewan McGregor.
Rey: (sees Obi-Wan for the first time) But you're...so young?
Obi-Wan: Well, Luke already looks like I did, no need for two of us!
Or something.
prag16
Banned
Don't do this. A garbage comment to shut down any kind of reasonable discussion. I'm all broken up that I'm not in the cool kid nuclear rage storm prequel hatred club, but somehow I think I'll get by.
Yoda even flat out stated something with regard to this, I think it was in AotC, bemoaning the increased frequency of arrogance and overconfidence in jedi as of late. Though "The Jedi" as an institution also in a broader sense exhibited those qualities, which even Yoda was probably at least partially ignorant to.
The prequels were deeply flawed movies on many levels, but I agree with almost all the good points you pointed out in your longer post about this on the last page. We don't need to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
brandonh83
Banned
I needed Luke at the end in any shape or form. It was necessary. It would have felt really cheap to tease Luke and not show him. And it would have been just purely cruel.
Lifejumper
Member
Wow he didnt like the movie at all haha. I wonder if he knows about the prequel hate.
Obi-Wan: His abilities have made him, well, arrogant.
Yoda: A flaw more and more common among Jedi. Too sure of themselves they are. Even the older, more experienced ones.
Totes.
brandonh83
Banned
He probably didn't bother to watch the Plinkett reviews which are wholly necessary to form your own personal-personalized opinions of some fantasy action movies.
Interfectum
Member
Either that or the whole friction of SW vs. Hateful Eight, with Disney strong arming those theaters or whatever. He might not be interested in talking up the film.
I can agree with a lot of this except a couple things.. OPINION incoming:
Politics (taking a significant amount of time, mind you), aside from advancing the story/enhancing the plot, largely don't belong in a space adventure, which is the heart and soul of Star Wars. Too much of it kills momentum and detracts from its simplicity. That kind of stuff is more fit for an EU or canon novel.
On Anakin and Padme.. do you not see how not liking either of them or not giving "two shits" about their characters is a massive issue (this has been reoccuring sentiment from lots of fans)? It's not like they're side characters who have little screen time. The prequels were built AROUND their rise and fall as partners/lovers. If we don't care for either of them, how can we care about anything they say or do, or what happens to them? This is the biggest issue I have with Ep. 1-3. Sure, their interactions are most interesting in Ep. 3, but had we cared for Anakin and Padme BEFORE the climax, the payoff could have salvaged what ultimately became the end product.
You're wrong about disliking Anakin being the "whole point"; we are SUPPOSED to like him so we can feel for him and his internal struggle. That doesn't mean we have to like every decision he makes, but part of the heartbreak should have been a character we love fall to the dark side. That's the whole point. In Anakin's case, there is no black or white; he was always conflicted, even as Darth Vader. We're not supposed to like him once he turns, but the point was to suffer his struggle with him, as an audience. Otherwise, what was the point of the prequels? They were centered around how and why Anakin fell to the dark side. Star Wars was never centered around the wars themselves, but rather around a family and their place within the galaxy.. even when George was in control.
You're damn right about Anakin storming the temple with clone troops. Visually and metaphorically.. that was the best scene in the entire 3 episodes by FAR. Loved it.
do you know all SW movies word by word? because that citation seems very accurate to me. Or do you look up somewhere and copy/past it.
Just curious.
Jackson seems to have had a much more positive experience working on the prequels than some others (notably Portman and Daniels). I remember an interview on The Daily Show where he talked about how much he loved doing the Geonosis battle because George didn't give him any direction other than essentially "stand in front of the blue screen and wave around the lightsaber" and for him that was fun and reminiscent of being a kid just using your imagination.
Different actors like different things.
Funny that he didn't like the duels in TFA though, since they were way better than his own (which, to be fair, was McDiarmid's limitation, not his).
Different actors like different things.
Funny that he didn't like the duels in TFA though, since they were way better than his own (which, to be fair, was McDiarmid's limitation, not his).
PrivateWHudson
Member
Beautiful. The music works so well, like it was designed that way.
The Yoda part I copy/pasted just because I couldn't remember if he specifically said the word "arrogance" or not. But I have seen these movies way too many times.
The only movie I could probably quote almost 100% reliably is The Transformers: The Movie, because I loved that movie as a kid and watched it over and over and over and would just imitate the voices as it played out, particularly any scene with Unicron.
People would have flipped shit if Luke wasn't in the film, especially after his inclusion in advertising.
I don't even think you need to disagree for selfish reasons; I believe, as others have said, Luke's inclusion was absolutely necessary for a strong ending/beginning point for Ep. 8. People would have criticized the ending being anticlimactic and underwhelming, especially considering the film was centered around finding him. I think it's important to visualize it without giving too much away, and I feel that was done well, even if its execution may be questionable (I enjoyed it though).
Liquidsnake
Banned
So Lucas wanted to tell his stories,
Disney wanted to tell the story we wanted.
Ill take Disney's.
Disney wanted to tell the story we wanted.
Ill take Disney's.
ultracal31
You don't get to bring friends.
While I like the way it is in the movie I don't mind that edit.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Well, it was. They took the music from the end of "Jedi Steps" and placed it over that scene.
that edit could go viral if the right entertainment site shares it with a headline like "Is this how The Force Awakens should REALLY have ended?"
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