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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #3) - That's Not How the Force Works
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I got that book, along with a few others. Once I move can find the time to read them.
Anton Sugar
Member
Yup :-\ I still lurk in the OT almost daily, hoping for news on additional content. Zero so far. Feels like a huge wasted opportunity, and a waste of one of the most beautiful games/engines of this gen.
It's a fun game for me, but that's only because I'm on more of a dumb-casual basis.
A benchmark in MP it is not.
I still can't believe they didn't have straight up Force Awakens content in the pipes. We should have Takodana and Starkiller Base maps. Old Han, Chewie, Rey and Kylo Ren hero classes.
Limiting the game to the OT across the board, and not even making full use of the content that provides, is such a missed opportunity.
Count Dookkake
Member
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So basically nothing.
Anton Sugar
Member
Months before SWBF's release, if you would have told me that the *only* TFA tie-in they would have had is a single Jakku map, I would have told you you were crazy. There seemed to be no way that DICE wouldn't capitalize on one of the biggest movies of the year (and, at this point, ever).
I mean, imagine how many sales a "play as Rey, Finn, Kylo, or Phasma on Starkiller base, Takodana, Solo's freighter, or Jakku" DLC could have gotten them. There are a lot of people in the OT who haven't bitten on the Season Pass because they want to know what's in it--that would have been an easy sell if it had TFA content.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Mhm, the Battlefront game is disappointing in alot of ways. Not having Kylo and Rey as playable heroes is a huge mistake tbh. Yeah the Jakku map is nice but...they couldve done more on the eve of a new star wars.
Trigonometrize.
Member
Jakku map is good for farming tramples on the AT-ST for the trophy. Other than that, it's actually pretty weak design-wise.
Has some great audiovisual vibes though. Made for a pretty decent way to hype myself on watching TFA (again).
Interfectum
Member
ultracal31
You don't get to bring friends.
Which is kinda silly seeing how lucas never cared too much for the EU
"You see, it's about
Oh they're not doing it for Lucas where it got wiped out. Two different instances of two different group of SW fans being angry for different reasons. The EU did have some beloved characters and losing them for some was hard. Kinda happens when you grow up with them. That in turn caused some more outraged due to what happened in the movie due to you know what happening to you know who. Which in turn was something others didn't like.
Leatherface
Member
That may be true but I really wasn't concerned with the overall rating. It's just a pain in the ass for someone like me who wants to read legitimate user opinions. The 1 star ratings go on and on and on. It's ridiculous. All those accounts should be banned.
IMDB is a notorious hive of Nolan fanboys and assorted nutjobs. TFA came in with such a high rating that they organized downvoting until the movie was below The Dark Knight Rises, after which they slowed down.
Weren't the A-Wings taking over for the X-Wings and the B-Wings taking over for the Y-Wings in RotJ?
Why weren't there any A-Wings or B-Wings?
B-Wings should have definitely been there for the final assault, as they have bigger payloads.
Also, What Happened to the TIE Interceptors or TIE Bombers?
It'll be weird watching RotJ and TFA awakens back to back.
In that regard, feels these movies just forgot about that part of the OT.
Even in ANH had Y-Wings...
Why weren't there any A-Wings or B-Wings?
B-Wings should have definitely been there for the final assault, as they have bigger payloads.
Also, What Happened to the TIE Interceptors or TIE Bombers?
It'll be weird watching RotJ and TFA awakens back to back.
In that regard, feels these movies just forgot about that part of the OT.
Even in ANH had Y-Wings...
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I think it was mentioned in the art book that the reason they stuck to just TIE foghters and X-Wings is they didnt want people to get confused.
...yeah
Anton Sugar
Member
This gif has so much potential.
I can already see Bish's head rapidly coming into view.
WadiumArcadium
Member
Pretty sure that was bullshit, though I haven't finished the art book yet.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Even if it is bullshit, why no Ys?
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I saw a screen cap on one of the previous spoiler threads, so I dunno if it was debunked.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
I just assume the new X-Wing model far outclasses the old Rebellion era starfighters, making them obsolete. Even the old X-Wings look so bulky compared to the new model.
This gif has so much potential.
That face Ford makes after they leave hyperspace and the mountain is right there, that is a Han Solo as fuck, character-in-way-over-their-head face if there ever was one. Further proof that Ford is one of the best actors to play that type.
Anton Sugar
Member
Listening to the soundtrack.
The Scavenger is such a beautiful, delicate piece of music. It has an otherwordly sense of magic about it. I've heard some say they find the music in the score doesn't stand out, and I have to disagree. Certainly, Abrams has it lower in the mix a lot of the time than Lucas did, but the music itself is as beautiful as ever.
Listening to the soundtrack on its own gives me more appreciation for the film.
The Scavenger is such a beautiful, delicate piece of music. It has an otherwordly sense of magic about it. I've heard some say they find the music in the score doesn't stand out, and I have to disagree. Certainly, Abrams has it lower in the mix a lot of the time than Lucas did, but the music itself is as beautiful as ever.
Listening to the soundtrack on its own gives me more appreciation for the film.
We ban the nutters, though. Well, most of them.
Others mentioned it, but that has been misquoted several times. The actual book excerpt was posted a while back. JJ cited RotJ's ending space battle as an example of excellent visual design, since even with so many different types of ships in the mix, it was easy to tell which side was which.
Yep.
I have said it before but the score in this film is severely underrated.
Really good article here.
http://projectorandorchestra.com/john-williams-on-the-force-awakens-and-the-legacy-of-star-wars/
OH GOD YES! Someone, please do it!
Scorpion Soldier
Member
It seems to be missing the bridge on the backside. I also thought it was at first.
Wonder if JW wins for best original score. Well deserved.
Trigonometrize.
Member
One of the things I think people take for granted with TFA is that Han Solo was Han Solo as fuck in this movie with a purpose and it was awesome. The character felt better realized than he did in Jedi even I would say for sure.
My guess is that they ran out of time.
Kaneda Shotaro
Member
Since this took me forever to type out (it's from a magazine called lightspeed, they didn't post the opening interview), I thought I'd post it in two places. It was a fun read for me so I thought others might enjoy it.
This gif has so much potential.
I am pulling up!
Y-Wings were obsolete when they being used 30 years ago.
The Librarian
Banned
Gonna go see it again tonight!!!!
Anton Sugar
Member
Purple Cheeto
Member
It's not like X-Wings are that new. The whole distribution of ships in the movie felt wrong, but that's me being a huge nerd for the old X-Wing and Tie Fighter games.
*sigh*
What could have been...Those kinds of ideas are so logical and pretty much what we all imagined in our heads.
heliosRAzi
Banned
That would've been so much better than the wet paper bag we got. And it would've given them some personality, too. But George wanted his Jesus.
Interfectum
Member
Yeah it's a good idea. It would be cool to see Anakin be the teenage boy that we'd all suspect we'd be if we had that power. Cheating at everything, using that power in a stealth way to get ahead. It sounds like it would have been a really fun movie to watch. A way to put ourselves right in Anakin's shoes. A great first act.
FlashbladeGAF
Member
damn, I want to read the rest of the interview
That was quite interesting thanks
Me and my wife will probably see it for the third time this weekend.
On another note, this is something that I've been really thinking about, but haven't seen much discussion on in this thread:
Despite Rey finding Luke, the ending of the film is really bleak and somber. More specifically, the Resistance actually lost a pretty decisive battle in the long run. The film is set up like this: The First Order is looking for Luke Skywalker, so they can eliminate him. They fear that if found, he can be the deciding factor against the First Order getting a stranglehold on the galaxy and becoming the next Empire (if not in name, then in function). Currently, there seems to be a truce/cease fire in effect between the First Order and the Republic (mentioned by Hux during his Hitler speech), that they believe the Republic is dishonoring by funding the Resistance behind closed doors. They use this as an excuse to nullify the treaty and launch an attack against the Republic.
The thing is, this attack isn't just an attack. The original Death Star's purpose wasn't really to destroy a planet, but to intimidate systems that tried to sass the Empire. It was a big stick they were brandishing. I don't think they'd have really used it unless they absolutely had to. It wasn't until the plans of the Death Star were stolen and delivered to the Rebellion that they used it to blow up Alderaan, in the hopes that it would deter Rebellion. The First Order actually used the Starkiller Base weapon to destroy their enemy. The Republic is gone. It doesn't exist anymore. The politicians, the soldiers, the fleet, it was all wiped out in one fell swoop when Hux issued the order to fire on them.
As it stands, the First Order is no longer opposed bureaucratically. And on the military end, their only opposition is General Leia Organa's Resistance, which, we saw in the movie, is rather pitiful. It seems to consist of a squad of X-Wings lead by Poe (and they lost a few members), and maybe some ground troops. Hardly enough to really put up a front against the First Order, which isn't as big as the Empire, but is significantly bigger than the Resistance.
For me, this sets up an incredibly dark, bleak, and grim tone for Episode's 8 and 9. Sure, the Resistance destroyed the Starkiller, which was more an act of self preservation than a decisive blow against the First Order like the Death Star's destruction was for the Empire (both Death Stars even), because if the Starkiller had destroyed their base, there'd be absolutely no one to oppose the First Order (Leia and all the other Resistance would have been destroyed had Poe's squad not succeeded).
But the point is that the Resistance is pathetically under-prepared to deal with the First Order's military might. The First Order doesn't actually need the Starkiller anymore, since it did it's job (wiped out the Republic). The only hope I see for the Resistance is for Leia to do some mega diplomacy with various Star Systems, in the hopes that they can be convinced to join her cause and strike out against the First Order. I can see episode 8 having Poe and his squad embarking on various guerrilla warfare style campaigns in First Order controlled systems, attempting to dismantle their power behind enemy lines, while Leia is trying to use the return of Luke Skywalker as a means to convince other star systems to fight with her against the Force Order.
I can see those systems being skeptical of Luke, a single Jedi, and an old, tired looking solitary Jedi, being any sort of tide turner for the Resistance. This is where Rey and Luke go on a potential journey to re-establish the Jedi Knights, or at least recruit promising Force Sensitives to train and fight. I can see Episode 9 being an incredibly desperate attempt by the Resistance and whatever allies they have amassed, and Rey and Luke to overthrow the increasingly growing First Order. They will also be fighting against whatever Snoke has planned with Kylo and the Knights of Ren.
This sets up this trilogy to be a lot different and grimmer, and grittier than the first two trilogies. I just hadn't seen a lot of discussion on how bleak the future films actually are in light of the destruction of the Republic in The Force Awakens. I think the obliteration of Hosnian Prime was way more a significant event than it gets credit for.
On another note, this is something that I've been really thinking about, but haven't seen much discussion on in this thread:
Despite Rey finding Luke, the ending of the film is really bleak and somber. More specifically, the Resistance actually lost a pretty decisive battle in the long run. The film is set up like this: The First Order is looking for Luke Skywalker, so they can eliminate him. They fear that if found, he can be the deciding factor against the First Order getting a stranglehold on the galaxy and becoming the next Empire (if not in name, then in function). Currently, there seems to be a truce/cease fire in effect between the First Order and the Republic (mentioned by Hux during his Hitler speech), that they believe the Republic is dishonoring by funding the Resistance behind closed doors. They use this as an excuse to nullify the treaty and launch an attack against the Republic.
The thing is, this attack isn't just an attack. The original Death Star's purpose wasn't really to destroy a planet, but to intimidate systems that tried to sass the Empire. It was a big stick they were brandishing. I don't think they'd have really used it unless they absolutely had to. It wasn't until the plans of the Death Star were stolen and delivered to the Rebellion that they used it to blow up Alderaan, in the hopes that it would deter Rebellion. The First Order actually used the Starkiller Base weapon to destroy their enemy. The Republic is gone. It doesn't exist anymore. The politicians, the soldiers, the fleet, it was all wiped out in one fell swoop when Hux issued the order to fire on them.
As it stands, the First Order is no longer opposed bureaucratically. And on the military end, their only opposition is General Leia Organa's Resistance, which, we saw in the movie, is rather pitiful. It seems to consist of a squad of X-Wings lead by Poe (and they lost a few members), and maybe some ground troops. Hardly enough to really put up a front against the First Order, which isn't as big as the Empire, but is significantly bigger than the Resistance.
For me, this sets up an incredibly dark, bleak, and grim tone for Episode's 8 and 9. Sure, the Resistance destroyed the Starkiller, which was more an act of self preservation than a decisive blow against the First Order like the Death Star's destruction was for the Empire (both Death Stars even), because if the Starkiller had destroyed their base, there'd be absolutely no one to oppose the First Order (Leia and all the other Resistance would have been destroyed had Poe's squad not succeeded).
But the point is that the Resistance is pathetically under-prepared to deal with the First Order's military might. The First Order doesn't actually need the Starkiller anymore, since it did it's job (wiped out the Republic). The only hope I see for the Resistance is for Leia to do some mega diplomacy with various Star Systems, in the hopes that they can be convinced to join her cause and strike out against the First Order. I can see episode 8 having Poe and his squad embarking on various guerrilla warfare style campaigns in First Order controlled systems, attempting to dismantle their power behind enemy lines, while Leia is trying to use the return of Luke Skywalker as a means to convince other star systems to fight with her against the Force Order.
I can see those systems being skeptical of Luke, a single Jedi, and an old, tired looking solitary Jedi, being any sort of tide turner for the Resistance. This is where Rey and Luke go on a potential journey to re-establish the Jedi Knights, or at least recruit promising Force Sensitives to train and fight. I can see Episode 9 being an incredibly desperate attempt by the Resistance and whatever allies they have amassed, and Rey and Luke to overthrow the increasingly growing First Order. They will also be fighting against whatever Snoke has planned with Kylo and the Knights of Ren.
This sets up this trilogy to be a lot different and grimmer, and grittier than the first two trilogies. I just hadn't seen a lot of discussion on how bleak the future films actually are in light of the destruction of the Republic in The Force Awakens. I think the obliteration of Hosnian Prime was way more a significant event than it gets credit for.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Probably because TFA didn't properly inform people of its importance. They mishandled that part.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Wow, thanks for typing this! Thread-worthy IMO. What the prequels could have been...
It's also interesting how part of it is reminiscent of TFA's first half.
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