The Librarian
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"Treated like shit" does not mean "this character is bad."
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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #3) - That's Not How the Force Works
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I wasn't saying that it was, just that I found some of those observations absolutely hilarious.
And yes, the chess game was seen.. but so were X-Wings, Tie Fighters, laser pistols, lightsabers..
I mean, at what point do you say something is ripping off Ep 4 and what's being universe consistent?
Case in point, the chess board.. it's on board the Falcon and established as such. If it had appeared on say the Resistance's freighter, I'd say sure.
It just makes it funny to take serious is all.
FlashbladeGAF
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if you take the opening scroll, then watch the movie, a mountain of questions remain. if they would've answered some of these questions in the movie it would've been a better movie.
why does the support of the republic amount to a handful of x-wings?
why does the resistance carry the burden of fighting the first order?
where is the new republic? why are they seemingly uninterested/uninvolved in this conflict?
why are the resistance and the republic separate entities? wouldn't it make sense that after the fall of the empire leia would be at the top of the power structure of the republic? why isn't she?
i would've liked for the movie to explain some of these things. like i said, i've only seen it once (and i did quite like it) but just a liiiiiiiiiiiittle bit more exploration of the above questions would've been nice.
feel free to call me a dum-dum head if you think i'm wrong.
Totally understand this. I wanted the questions answered to, which is why I said one of my gripes was the lack of info. But it isn't a deal breaker to follow the movie.
Out of the ashes of the Empire, The First Order does bad shit to find Luke Skywalker, Resistance led by Leia is formed to battle them.
As simple as it is, it's enough info to know why people are fighting.
Sure there is a lot more info I'd like explained, and even the deleted scenes has this info(I've heard), but what is in the movie and hinted at through actions and dialogue help in getting a better understanding of it all.
But I agree with you, slightly more info would have made it a stronger movie if we knew what the Republic was about if we knew a tad more before it blew up.
MrPressStart
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Yes... it was to bring the people up to date, but also if it is 30 years in the future... you have to figure that they would still be alive anyway...
It would be strange to not have any of the older character return.
FlashbladeGAF
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And now I think we've reached the part where one side is taking it a bit too heavily.
When Kevin Smith did it it was a joke. Everyone says "oh man I didn't think about that but there must have been contractors on the Death Star huh!" The joke is funny because during the film, nobody ever thought about contractors on the Death Star. And why would they? We never see any. In this case we know, as it happens, that we're killing innocent victims.
How many Finn-esque non-combatant First Order janitors were on the base when it blew? That's something I thought as it happened. And how couldn't I?
in that case I rather take "treated like shit" than mary sue.
heliosRAzi
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It's not every day a guy can blow up an entire planet to save one girl.
MrPressStart
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I think Episode 8 will fill many plot holes that remain. I like that some things are not answered... as most of star wars lore from the fans is based on theories anyway...
The Librarian
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We have this fucking thread for a reason
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1161509&highlight=mary+sue
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1161509&highlight=mary+sue
MrPressStart
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There will always be civilian casualities
LegendofLex
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We see plenty of non-combatants on the Death Star.
Hell, we visit the freaking detention block, and no one seems to bat an eye at the fact that Luke and Han's cover is that they're transferring a Wookiee prisoner from another block, which means there aren't just Imperial non-combatants but actual prisoners on board as well, likely including Leia's fellow passengers from the blockade runner.
She's very likely the only girl that's ever been nice to him in his whole life. From his perspective, she's worth more than any planet I'd imagine.
heliosRAzi
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So blowing up the Starkiller is like getting a diamond from Jared's
Exactly. ;-)
Incredibly lonely people think irrationally so yeah.
heliosRAzi
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but won't that be like his mom then?
heliosRAzi
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She's a Montague. Rey's a Capulet.
Perfect Cha0s
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if you take the opening scroll, then watch the movie, a mountain of questions remain. if they would've answered some of these questions in the movie it would've been a better movie.
why does the support of the republic amount to a handful of x-wings?
why does the resistance carry the burden of fighting the first order?
where is the new republic? why are they seemingly uninterested/uninvolved in this conflict?
why are the resistance and the republic separate entities? wouldn't it make sense that after the fall of the empire leia would be at the top of the power structure of the republic? why isn't she?
i would've liked for the movie to explain some of these things. like i said, i've only seen it once (and i did quite like it) but just a liiiiiiiiiiiittle bit more exploration of the above questions would've been nice.
feel free to call me a dum-dum head if you think i'm wrong.
IMO, the answers to these just aren't important to the film. I mean, it's cool info to have, but I'm not sure I'd agree it's worth the screentime. I guess different people want and get different things from the same movie, but this movie was only 1% about the Resistance vs. First Order for me.
I thought the conflict between TFO and the Resistance, the Starkiller, etc. only served as a nostalgic backdrop for the real meat of the movie: Finn and Rey getting caught up in the search for Luke and finding their places in something greater than themselves, Kylo Ren's conflict, Han Solo confronting his son, Rey embracing the force, finally finding Luke, and so on. And IMO, that's okay. It's familiar and comfortable, and keeps things focused on the characters and their interactions and development. All the better that we have characters introduced for this trilogy that people generally agree are likeable and interesting.
That's all not to say that we couldn't have had these characters and their stories had the backdrop been more fleshed out, but I don't think the movie would have been better had it addressed those questions.
Messypandas
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Second time I watched it John Boyegas performance seemed better and Daisey Ridleys seemed worse. She seemed a little unnatural, but I'm sure she'll grow into the role (i know its her first film).
Glass Shark
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heliosRAzi
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Oh you.
Boyega blew her out of the water acting wise. But she was fine in the movie especially for someone so new.
The Librarian
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How so?
He was more convincing in his role and pulled off the humorous lines perfectly.
Messypandas
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He gives the best performance in the film easily, with Driver second.
John Boyega and Oscar Isaac were the two people I had zero worry about given their earlier roles.
Frankly though I think Daisey plays a better lead then Mark Hamill did. If I had to rank the new cast she would be last place but that isnt because she did a bad job, just the other three did such a great job and had the better material to shine.
The Librarian
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How was he more convincing in his role? And I think you're confusing Boyega brings "out-acting Daisy" with humorous lines with Daisy not getting as many.
Kor of Memory
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My wife had to remind me that Oscar Isaac was in Ex Machina that we had watched a couple months ago.
Once that hit me I realized dude has some skills.
QuantumZebra
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I want this book ASAP
Messypandas
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His role in Drive gets a lot of "That was him!?" responses. Dudes putting in the work.
Show me a Hero, Inside Llewyn Davis, Ex Machina, and A Most Violent Year are all great performances.
Show Me a Hero was particularly amazing.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
They were moving targets. So he actually had experience doing something more difficult than destroying the Dearh Star.
How would he have any concept of innocence? How would he really understand what civilians were?
Disagree there. Whenever Boyega got "funny" it felt like he was trying too hard and was acting out of character, with humor that fits American culture, but seemed out of place in the film.
Isaac and Ridley were both excellent and I would rate their performances above Boyega's.
His character got more crowd pleaser lines and he had better opportunity to be more charismatic as a result. Daisy is frequently the straight man to Boyega's clown in those scenes. That's a pretty thankless job in comedy and harder to do than anyone gives credit for. They have great chemistry together and I at no point did I get taken out of the movie with her performance. She sells the emotion in all of her scenes. I don't think the emotion really hits the audience of Han's death until we see the reaction shot of Rey's face. Certainly not for people that weren't all about the OT.
QuantumZebra
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My bullshit detector is at max right now.
She learns the force in 5 minutes? She found out her powers through Maz and the flashback, and then realizes what Kylo Ren is doing when he tries to probe her mind, and fights back. Did you forget how Luke was blocking stun lasers with a lightsaber WHILE BLIND after working with Obi-Wan for like a fucking day? I mean come on.
She's brave? She wants literally nothing more than to go home till she realizes that whoever she is waiting on will never be coming for her. When she experiences the flashbacks from Anakin's Lightsaber, she nopes the fuck out and runs away.
Again, people trying to call Rey perfect either have an agenda, or didn't watch the movie it seems like.
civilstrife
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This is a strange post. OT Star Wars had plenty of "American humor". It just happened to have been written in the 70s, so it seems a little more foreign to modern audiences.
See I liked that. Since he's a former brainwashed Stormtropper trying to fit in to a world he never knew, it should feel kind of awkward.
Messypandas
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I agree, but thats not why he had the best performance. People saying he was the "funny" to Rey's "Luke" are understating the nuisance of the prideful man whose secretly afraid of the fight, wants to run from the violence but wants to be strong too. He sold that in the scenes with Maz. But when he was doing the funnies, it never felt contradictory but some of it fell flat for me.
You realize Boyega is a Brit with a heavy accent right?
Lil'DigiOp
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My biggest issue with the film is you have Finn pretty much skate on Rey and leave her but then you wanna have him running back yelling at the top of his lungs like an idiot. No tension just dumb energy trying to amp an extra emotional scene.
It was a dumb dumb scene.
It was a dumb dumb scene.
But the person who wrote the jokes and situations isn't. Why does the nationality of the actor matter?
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