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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #3) - That's Not How the Force Works
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brandonh83
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People get off on bitching about nostalgia pandering regardless of how much sense it makes.
Ragnorok64
Member
The shot that kills the Stormtrooper, who leaves the blood mark on Finn's helmet, came from Poe.
heliosRAzi
Banned
You keep what you kill
brandonh83
Banned
Finn wouldn't give a shit if he knew. He was spooked already by what his team was doing at the village.
StopMakingSense
Member
I didn't realize he was childhood friends with JJ. His whole career makes a lot more sense now.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
They asked Dennis Lawson to reprise his role as Wedge Antilles but he declined, saying it would be "boring" to him. He's one of those Star Wars people who are fan favorites but who don't care about Star Wars, like Alec Guinness.
I don't mind though, as Wedge's presence would have made Poe kinda pointless in the second half of the film.
TheSadRanger
Banned
Ya I got a chuckle out of a few of the nostalgia scenes. If you noticed, in the Falcon when Finn was helping Rey do repairs. He picked up Luke's training droid from ANH and tossed it aside giving it an odd glance.
But I think the acting is what made those nostalgia scenes work. John Boyega did an amazing job with his expressions, he pulled off those scenes where he activated the holo chess board on the Falcon or when he looked disoriented in the gunner seat.
edit: That's a bummer about Lawson, oh well :/
Robdraggoo
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I still dont get the critique of the rey-ren fight. How she wouldn't have stood a chance against an experienced saber wielder. Who trained kylo with with the saber? Luke was never trained with one, why would he train kylo with one? Who would he practice with or fight?
Was he just toying with her like vader-luke fight?
Even luke got a hit on vader and he was never trained with one.
If you ignore ultra jedi ninja baddassness of the prequels. Its not that far fetched
Was he just toying with her like vader-luke fight?
Even luke got a hit on vader and he was never trained with one.
If you ignore ultra jedi ninja baddassness of the prequels. Its not that far fetched
I think the real problem with James Bond is the fact that it's James Bond. There is pretty much zero tension in every single one of his movies, because you know, no matter how insane the scenario is, he's going to escape and live to fight another day. I agree that the third act of SPECTRE was so/so, but I got some enjoyment out of it. I went into it with pretty low expectations to begin with (I haven't really been a big Craig as Bond fan since Casino Royale, despite enjoying that movie). This was, I think, the first Bond movie where Craig actually looked like he was enjoying himself, and felt more Bond like.
Robdraggoo
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The pilot from lost who gets eaten by the smoke monster in the first episode.
Sean from Felicity
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Ether_Snake
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It says Kylo is the most gifted apprentice of Snoke. Seems to imply Snoke has more than one, of had more than one.
LegendofLex
Member
Why does this shock people?
Any Jedi who was inches from a killing blow against an opponent they'd just disarmed would probably have to combat the same impulse to finish them off.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Maybe the other Knights of Ren.
I'm shocked that 1/ Snoke was inside her head, 2/ telling her to kill his apprentice.
Anything that happens outside of the movie but gets mentioned infuriates me. Didn't make the cut, not a holy shit moment for the moviegoers.
Han said he is just using you for your power. He will destroy you once he no longer has any use for you.
Monocle
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"ACCUSING FINGER REINFORCES UNQUESTIONED AUTHORITY"
LegendofLex
Member
I guess?
Snoke seems to be the new Palpatine, and this is definitely within Palpatine's MO.
Randolph Freelander
Member
Palpatine established 2 as a theme, at the very least.
Anakin -> Dooku (worked!)
Luke -> Vader (not so much)
Wow, we have about the same opinion on about everything you wrote honestly. All of the characters and universe really are in an interesting trajectory leading into VIII and IX. I think the quote from Hamill in that Comic Con video sums up the state of the universe for TFA and beyond really well: "You've been here before, but you don't know this story. Nothing's changed. I mean, everything's changed but nothing's changed."
Ether_Snake
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That's why I'm fairly certain eventually Rey will go to the dark side, even if temporarily. Snoke has to replace him with someone, unless Kylo kills him before then.
Maybe the solution to the Rule of Two is that there always three. Two open, one hidden.
Group one:
Plagueis
Siddious
Jar Jar
Group two:
Siddious
Maul
Jar Jar
Group three:
Siddious
Dooku
Jar Jar
Group four:
Siddious
Vader
Jar Jar
Group five:
Jar Jar resurrects Plagueis
Darth Maul (did he die?)
Rotating groups of three that work together, to keep the order going through betrayals, coups, etc.
The Librarian
Banned
Give it up.
KOTOR spoilers (not sure I need to tag a 10+ year old game but just to be safe):
I wonder if Rey is going to follow Bastila's path from the game. Powerful but able to be enticed to the dark side. I could see Finn pulling her back the same way the player is able to after her boss fight.
Doctoglethorpe
Member
Laughed so hard at that part.
LegendofLex
Member
I think it's way more likely that Snoke puts Kylo out as soon as he shows signs of repentance or Kylo begins to become suspicious of Snoke and kills him.
The Xtortionist
Member
Just watched again, second viewing was even better than the first. Prolly helped that this theater has a better sound system, especially the bass. Sound effects were so good you could nearly feel the lightsaber duel. Ren's saber is a beast.
Love this damn movie
Love this damn movie
Quantum of Solace was exactly what the title indicated. It was a small amount of peace Bond was able to get after the death of Vesper by outing and seriously damaging the organization that caused her death. I think of it as an addendum to Casino Royale and like it very much from that standpoint. Skyfall was weird with the total story shift from Casino Royale and QoS, and for Spectre, all I can think about is that guy walking around without socks. :lol At least Bond gets a love interest that he (conceivably) could walk away from MI6 for without her dying immediately. (^o^)
Bastilla's weakness was her pride, but it could be interesting if they went that route broadly speaking.
Randolph Freelander
Member
It's still the rule of 2 as long as the apprentices don't know about each other.
This, of course, is based on a reading of the Sith Lord, Darth Costanza. "It's not a lie if you believe it." I believe it has broader meaning.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Do you think she'll be tempted at least?
The Librarian
Banned
Tempted is fine -- Luke was tempted!
Seduction is out of the question. If Star Wars had a better history of treating its female characters, maybe. As it stands she's the hero of our new trilogy; there will be no Dark Side for Rey.
TheSadRanger
Banned
Am I the only person who thought about why they only took X-Wings on the star killer bombing run when Y-Wings would have been perfectly suited for it >_>
heliosRAzi
Banned
Seduction is out of the question because she's a female? I think it'd be cool to see her rise and fall and then rise again through the series.
The Librarian
Banned
Yup!
Monocle
Member
I can do the Accusing Finger too, but most people ask me to take off my gloves first.
Randolph Freelander
Member
I think her falling to the dark side would make the audience wonder why even bother with Jedi at all if they're all so easily manipulated. Which they aren't of course, but we've already seen Anakin fall, we know Ben Solo fell, Count Dooku... for yet another to succumb, and another one of Luke's (presumed) apprentices to fall, it would just be ground that has been covered too many times (in my opinion). It's also why we won't see Kylo Ren's redemption... it's too much of a thematic retread.
Tempted: Sure.
Actual fall? I hope not.
You're joking, but this actually is the case.
First group:
Sidious and Maul (with Dooku working in the background with the Kaminoans as "Tyranus")
Second group:
Sidious and Tyranus (with Sidious grooming Anakin to take over)
Inter-second group:
Sidious and Tyranus (with Tyranus grooming Ventress to become his Sith apprentice after he deposed Sidious)
Inter-second group Pt. II:
Sidious and Tyranus (with Tyranus grooming Savage Opress to become his Sith apprentice after he deposed Sidious)
Inter-second group Pt. III:
Sidious and Tyranus (with Tyranus trying to make a deal with Quinlan Vos to become his Sith apprentice after he deposed Sidious, although Vos is actually trying to use Tyranus to get to Sidious)
Side-group:
Darth Maul also used Savage Opress as his apprentice when he claimed that Sidious and Tyranus were the false Sith and that he and his brother were the true Sith, but Maul's real goal was to resurrect Mother Talzin
Third group:
Sidious and Vader (with Sidious funding Dr. Cylo's research to see if he could find a suitable replacement, until Luke came along)
Inter-third group:
Sidious and Vader (with Vader trying to tempt Luke to become his Sith apprentice after he deposed Sidious)
Lore answer: Y-Wings were pretty decrepit and slow in ROTJ. B-Wings are better but massively expensive and also slow.
Now, a recon force like the Resistance would probably use only X-Wings because they are multi-role, shielded, and decently fast. (certainly outclass TIEs in the atmosphere.)
From the nerdy lore perspective it makes complete sense to exclusively use X-Wings.
Real answer: to keep it simple for the audience.
30yearsofhurt
Member
Seen it four times now.
Love it except for the nostalgia and...
...the resistance running club. On the resistance base people are just jogging and running around. At one point we see two pilots run past every ship off to god knows where. Maybe they're just doing laps. Everyone seems to run everywhere. Maybe they're in a rush but not to get to or from ships.
Love it except for the nostalgia and...
...the resistance running club. On the resistance base people are just jogging and running around. At one point we see two pilots run past every ship off to god knows where. Maybe they're just doing laps. Everyone seems to run everywhere. Maybe they're in a rush but not to get to or from ships.
Ether_Snake
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I don't see Snoke left on his own. Heck the guy might not even be that powerful, just very wise. If he takes down Kylo he has a replacement, so it would likely be Rey, although I don't think she'll fall to the dark side to join him, just to kill him. Could be a moment where he has her kill Kylo as the final step to join him but she doesn't.
I think they would do it but not in the usual way, she falls to the dark side to take out someone, not to join them.
TheSadRanger
Banned
I think that because she was alone for most of her life she's more fallible than Luke. Luke at least had Owen, Beru.
Rey was abandoned and alone on a planet with no friends. Ren even pointed out her "loneliness" when he interrogated her.
One thing that kind of bothers me is there was no real motivation explained for Ben Solo's turning. He had everything that Rey didn't.
Noticed them on my 3rd watch. Chuckled inwardly.
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