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[madp]

I'm already lighting my candles for Ultimadrago. I hope he can hear the waters of Okeanos.

Even if Ultima can survive

Spoiler

Eannnnnnnng

, he stands no chance against

Spoiler

The Gate of Babble-on

.

 

[Chet Rippo]

HeartCatch PreCure

Hhmm...

 

[kayos90]

I hated the first episode of Fate Zero which made me think I'd hate the rest of the series, but some people here are saying it's not indicative of the rest of the series. Should I give it another chance and watch the second episode or something?

The first episode is an exposition. It hits you with a lot of jargon and concepts to set up for the rest of the show. Personally I liked it. Having said that, watch until episode 4 before you drop it.

 

[Haly]

The script wasn't unsalvageable.

It was clearly not the focus.

I don't look for philosophical insights in battle shounen, I don't look for action in Shinkai movies, I don't look for realistic love stories in harem. Madhouse had a goal and they fulfilled it. Could it have been done better? Yes, but I think they were already cutting it close with regards to the budget.

 

[Crash Station]

Zetman 10

WHAT!? They're showing the best arc NOW!? YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Even if it is censored, this show suddenly became worth watching again. Really friggin weird placement for it, but I'm not complaining (though I probably will be if they ruin it).

 

[firehawk12]

The NaCl is strong with this one.

Yeah, I realized how salty my post was after I posted it.

So firehawk, you put on a smiling face to hide your disappointment with this established community?

Always just when I think I have you figured, my friend...

Like I said, I take the Wargames philosophy now.

Heck, I almost wanted to post in the Tropes vs Women thread on Gaming side, but I knew that it would be a waste of time.

Oh yes the script was pretty bad and nonsensical but I don't think anyone was going into it expecting the greatest story ever told.

In fact I doubt most people get past the pretty lights and colors to ruminate on the "plot". Which is, as far as I can tell, what Madhouse intended with Redline.

And as someone who doesn't really care about the pretty lights, I would hope you could see why I would get very little out of the film.

There was more wrong with the film than just the script. For one, the actual Redline race was a clusterfuck, and not in a good way.
The script wasn't unsalvageable.

The script is responsible for what happens in the race though. Assuming anime scripts are written the same way as "normal" scripts.

 

[Ultimadrago]

I'm already lighting my candles for Ultimadrago. I hope he can hear the waters of Okeanos.

Even if Ultima can survive

Spoiler

Eannnnnnnng

, he stands no chance against

Spoiler

The Gate of Babble-on

.

 

[Envelope]

Waver-chan is the best girl in Fate/Zero.

 

[Femmeworth]

The script is responsible for what happens in the race though. Assuming anime scripts are written the same way as "normal" scripts.

The storyboards would have been most responsible for the race, I believe.

It was clearly not the focus.

I don't look for philosophical insights in battle shounen, I don't look for action in Shinkai movies, I don't look for realistic love stories in harem. Madhouse had a goal and they fulfilled it. Could it have been done better? Yes, but I think they were already cutting it close with regards to the budget.

Then what was the middle of the movie?

Are you suggesting I was expecting too much out of the movie? That most definitely wasn't the case. I went in with low expectations.

 

[Haly]

And as someone who doesn't really care about the pretty lights, I would hope you could see why I would get very little out of the film.

Yes, that's perfectly understandable considering your tastes in anime.

 

[Chet Rippo]

The storyboards would have been most responsible for the race, I believe.

storyboards come after the script.

 

[Geneijin]

I still don't "get" the hate for the episode (neither do I care at this point).

That said, I'd say try two more episodes at least.

I see where your allegiance is now.

 

[Dresden]

The storyboards would have been most responsible for the race, I believe.

The problem with the race wasn't the storyboarding, it was just too spread out, there's no tension or any sense of speed because it's constantly cutting to an ensemble of characters doing shit no one cares about.

 

[LogicStep]

I'm watching Toradora and Taiga for some reason reminds me A LOT of some other girl from another anime, looks just like her. I can't remember the name of the anime but it was about 3 sisters and the girl that Taiga resembles was the youngest. Anyone know if its just a coincidence or is there more to it?

 

[Jintor]

That doesn't really mean much. Script might just be dialogue and 'blank space where exciting storyboard sequence goes'.

 

[Envelope]

I'm watching Toradora and Taiga for some reason reminds me A LOT of some other girl from another anime, looks just like her. I can't remember the name of the anime but it was about 3 sisters and the girl that Taiga resembles was the youngest. Anyone know if its just a coincidence or is there more to it?

Minami-ke.

There's some similarity there, to be sure.

 

[Femmeworth]

The problem with the race wasn't the storyboarding, it was just too spread out, there's no tension or any sense of speed because it's constantly cutting to an ensemble of characters doing shit no one cares about.

Would that not have been the storyboarder's job?

 

[Ultimadrago]

Like I said, I take the Wargames philosophy now.
Heck, I almost wanted to post in the Tropes vs Women thread on Gaming side, but I knew that it would be a waste of time.

I'm here for you, bro!

I see where your allegiance is now.

Geeeeeeeeeeeene!

Spoiler

I hear the complaints about it, but they honestly didn't affect me negatively (in any notable capacity) during my watch of the episode.
I am more puzzled by the adamant objection to even raising the episode
than just the stern notes against heavy exposition.

 

[Jintor]

Would that not have been the storyboarder's job?

Scene cuts would be script.

 

[hosannainexcelsis]

It's scary. I mean, I think I'm the person who introduced bolding and numbering episode titles in posts because I posted about so many shows in a single post that I wanted a way to separate my impressions. I capped the shit out of K-On!! episodes and broke down its shot composition and wankery like that. I can't imagine being that invested in posting here now though.

Let's go on that journey anyway.

I'll join in this healing journey, I suppose, by saying that if I've ever said anything to you that's come across as caustic and offensive, then I apologize. I know we've had disagreements in the past, and I try to be civil when discussing them, but it's easy to fall into the trap of being overly dismissive, especially on the Internet where impulsive replies are encouraged over carefully considered ones and tone can be lost in transmission. When I'm looking at words on a screen, annoyance can goad me into responding in a way that I would have thought better of if I was speaking face-to-face.

While I think being a part of this community has been a net positive when it comes to my analytical and historical understanding of anime, there are times when it feels like hanging around here saps my enthusiasm for watching anime, even what I love. When I feel that bitter and cynical atmosphere pressing down, especially when I feel that bad anime is being promoted for its badness over good anime (the "School Days" phenomenon), I have occasionally lashed out in ways that I shouldn't have. For that, I also apologize.

 

[wonzo]

For once, today's exhibition matches are amusing enough they both deserved to be highlighted.
Anyway, have at it.

 

[Envelope]

No one's ever apologized to me for the abuse I received while watching Space Bebop.

 

[Ultimadrago]

You asked for that. lol

Fun times...

 

[Femmeworth]

Scene cuts would be script.

I really need to get a better understanding of the film or at least animation making process.

No one's ever apologized to me for the abuse I received while watching Space Bebop.

If it makes you feel better, I enjoyed your Bebop the Cowboy posts.

 

[Chet Rippo]

No one's ever apologized to me for the abuse I received while watching Space Bebop.

I'm still waiting for Mad Pierrot to finish watching Manyuu.

 

[madp]

I'm still waiting for Mad Pierrot to finish watching Manyuu.

I think you're confusing who the aggressor and who the victim is in this case.

 

[Narag]

No one's ever apologized to me for the abuse I received while watching Space Bebop.

You received the attention you wanted and then some!

 

[Dragoon En Regalia]

I'd like to hear more of your opinions on Space Adventure Bebop, Envelope. They're okay here.

 

[firehawk12]

I'm here for you, bro!

I'll join in this healing journey, I suppose, by saying that if I've ever said anything to you that's come across as caustic and offensive, then I apologize. I know we've had disagreements in the past, and I try to be civil when discussing them, but it's easy to fall into the trap of being overly dismissive, especially on the Internet where impulsive replies are encouraged over carefully considered ones and tone can be lost in transmission. When I'm looking at words on a screen, annoyance can goad me into responding in a way that I would have thought better of if I was speaking face-to-face.

While I think being a part of this community has been a net positive when it comes to my analytical and historical understanding of anime, there are times when it feels like hanging around here saps my enthusiasm for watching anime, even what I love. When I feel that bitter and cynical atmosphere pressing down, especially when I feel that bad anime is being promoted for its badness over good anime (the "School Days" phenomenon), I have occasionally lashed out in ways that I shouldn't have. For that, I also apologize.

Aww. Now I feel bad for being salty. lol

I mean, I get the shit-talking, because this is an internet board and getting your shots in is just the thing you do when you post on a forum (Which is why you get "first post nailed it" replies to pretty much every thread). C'est la vie after all. It's just matching your expectations for lengthy, intelligent conversations to that reality.

On your part, hosannainexcelsis, I enjoy our conversations.
(Tokyo arc is still the worst thing ever though, etc, etc).

 

[duckroll]

Scene cuts would be script.

No, it wouldn't. In most cases this would entirely be down to either the storyboarding or the editing.

 

[Chet Rippo]

I think you're confusing who the aggressor and who the victim is in this case.

Everyday you don't watch Manyuu, I die a little on the inside.

 

[Jintor]

No, it wouldn't. In most cases this would entirely be down to either the storyboarding or the editing.

Really? Didn't think it'd be so different.

Then again I've only done student-level film so whateverrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[hosannainexcelsis]

On your part, hosannainexcelsis, I enjoy our conversations.
(Tokyo arc is still the worst thing ever though, etc, etc).

Aw, thanks. I don't think I'll ever be able to understand your complaints about that arc, but on the bright side we can always bond over how Gintama is the best thing ever!

 

[Haly]

The script is responsible for what happens in the race though. Assuming anime scripts are written the same way as "normal" scripts.

I think storyboarding:anime::script:film.

 

[duckroll]

Really? Didn't think it'd be so different.

I don't see why it would be that way. The screenplay serves two main purposes. First it is a base for the storyboards, secondly it is what the voice cast uses to record lines. Neither purpose requires a script to detail every single scene cut. It would make no sense too, since screenplay writers are hired for their narrative building and dialogue writing abilities. Breaking down narrative into specific animation cuts is the job of the storyboarder and director, who usually have a strong animation background.

I think storyboarding:anime::script:film.

I would say that to the animation team (people who are "acting out" the visuals on paper):

storyboard:animation::shooting script:film

But for the voice cast and storyboarders/director:

final script:animation::shooting script:film


It really depends on whose job we're talking about here.

 

[Grzi]

Well, starting to keep my end of the bargain for the series trades.

Hourou Musuko 1

This was really good. Presentation wise I was blown away, the episode looked stunning and it didn't lose the quality for a second. The colors, the way the characters are drawn, with that shine, I liked it a lot, definitely gives the show a unique look.
Also, the re were some shots that reminded me of Fate/zero a bit, I could be wrong, but seeing that the series share the same director, I'm guessing those are his tricks of the trade. Specifically, I'm talking about the scenes showing a character from the chest up from the front, and he's standing directly in the middle of the screen. I believe there were several scenes with the same perspective in Fate/Zero, I'd post screenshots, but I'm really tired and I should go to the bed.
The story is intriguing, it seems the series deals with its theme rather maturely, so that's really good. So far, not much has happened, but I find myself liking some of the characters already.

Moyashimon will wait until tomorrow, didn't forget about it.

Also, watched the first three episodes of Ano Hana, found them to be okay, but undeserving of the praise the show is getting almost everywhere. But I can see the appeal for most people already, with the show playing the nostalgia note heavily and everything. At least the production values are pretty high, so far.

 

[Narag]

Really? Didn't think it'd be so different.

Then again I've only done student-level film so whateverrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I think storyboarding:anime::script:film.

Pizzaroll had a nice post about it that cleared up my misunderstanding.

Composition, continuity, effectiveness of shots, good editing flow, what happens in them, etc. Essentially everything.

When talking about storyboarding in anime, you have to realize it's not a typical storyboard like the ones in [everything else] -- it's basically the skeleton of the episode/movie. The term used for storyboard in Japanese actually translates to "picture continuity" -- I assume that it's a loose translation adapted for whatever reason because they resemble what we know as storyboards. On storyboard books and such you'll see the phrase "continuity script." An anime storyboard contains the cuts and instructions for each cut. Dialogue, shot length, camera instructions, instructions for the animator, sound effects, etc. Storyboards in [everything else] are like, scene concepts and shit. For anime it's probably the most important thing of all, as everything that will be made is going to be birthed from what's penned on the storyboard.

Personally I use the term storyboarding as a catch-all (and I shouldn't really because it's technically wrong but I'm lazy) to include layout work as well, which is also super important.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=38657944&postcount=6082

 

[Jintor]

Oh, I see what you mean. I feel like I've learned something which will shortly be pushed out by information technology law.

 

[Envelope]

Apparently one member of the contract has backed out, so that's it for MLP!

 

[Instro]

Apparently one member of the contract has backed out, so that's it for MLP!

Execute the oath breaker!

 

[Chet Rippo]

Apparently one member of the contract has backed out, so that's it for MLP!

What was he supposed to watch?

 

[Defuser]

Envelope has a tag now? I'm seeing animegaf is getting tags left and right.

 

[Reknoc]

Inazuma Eleven 1

HEEEEEY OOOOOH HEEEEEY OOOOOH

This is so shounen. The episode opens with some random mook team losing to the main evil team (actually evil) and then having their school demolished by some sort of evil tank bus. Because that's what happens when you lose at football. Oh also the club was disbanded but that seems a little redundant when you DEMOLISH THE ENTIRE SCHOOL WITH YOUR EVIL TANK BUS.

There's even a pretty boy with a MYSTERIOUS DARK PAST that stops him from playing football. What could it be!?

Spoiler

I know what it is, I played the game

 

[Geneijin]

http://i.imgur.com/gqi6D.jpg[IMG]

[I]Geeeeeeeeeeeene![/I]

[spoiler] I hear the complaints about it, but they honestly didn't affect me negatively (in any notable capacity) during my watch of the episode.
I am more puzzled by the adamant objection to even raising the episode
than just the stern notes against heavy exposition. [/spoiler][/QUOTE]
Except there was none of that. There was a stern objection to how the exposition should have happened differently. You must have missed out on that discussion then.

 

[Envelope]

The misunderstanding has been resolved, and the contract has been resealed.

 

[Instro]

Envelope has a tag now? I'm seeing animegaf is getting tags left and right.

The best posters have no tags.

 

[duckroll]

I would also add to pizzaroll's excellent post that in many cases, some of the best anime films are the ones where the director is the one who writes the script and storyboards the film as well. Or if he doesn't write the entire screenplay on his own, at least being the one to create the concept and have a hand in writing the script. This ensures that his vision forms the entire foundation of the movie, both in how it is written, and how it is visually conveyed. This way, he himself understands all the decisions that resulted in the script being the way it is, and hence he can build the storyboard knowing exactly what sort of movie he wants to make.

 

[Ultimadrago]

Except there was none of that. There was a stern objection to how the exposition should have happened differently. You must have missed out on that discussion then.

Very possible. I got into Fate/Zero quite late

 

[survivor]

Inazuma Eleven 1

HEEEEEY OOOOOH HEEEEEY OOOOOH

This is so shounen. The episode opens with some random mook team losing to the main evil team (actually evil) and then having their school demolished by some sort of evil tank bus. Because that's what happens when you lose at football. Oh also the club was disbanded but that seems a little redundant when you DEMOLISH THE ENTIRE SCHOOL WITH YOUR EVIL TANK BUS.

There's even a pretty boy with a MYSTERIOUS DARK PAST that stops him from playing football. What could it be!?

Spoiler

I know what it is, I played the game

It took me 30 episodes before realizing I'd much rather youtube the special moves rather than watch the actual episodes.

 

[Envelope]

People who want a good football anime all should watch Ginga e Kickoff!