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yami4ct

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If you're talking about the post everyone is quoting, I don't think it's worth getting upset about. Moe is a known phenomenon originating in Japan, and there's nothing in that post that specifically calls anyone a pedophile or says everyone in Japan likes it.

I don't know what else has been posted in that thread, though.

I honestly don't think that thread is as bad as it can/usually does get, but it's certainly a large scale propagation of a BS stereotype. Whatever, I'm actually not that upset. Just more reasons to avoid the general areas of GamingGaf.
 
Yes, watch anime.

Anyway, as much as I don't like the whole 10/10 post, YOU KAWAII ASS MOTHERFUCKER ALMOST FIRST POST thing, it's hard for me to make an approach since it's still mostly on topic. I just wish that they contributed beyond someone making a snarky post. It's worthless frankly.
 

fertygo

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Yet you guys themselves talking shit everytime SAO or OreImo broke data sales, maybe even today when OreImo S2 v1 data posted..

:These people are disgusting" etc, only people like Kagami that have any right to mad for this subject.
 

yami4ct

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Yes, watch anime.

Anyway, as much as I don't like the whole 10/10 post, YOU KAWAII ASS MOTHERFUCKER ALMOST FIRST POST thing, it's hard for me to make an approach since it's still mostly on topic. I just wish that they contributed beyond someone making a snarky post. It's worthless frankly.

I kind of wish just quoting posts with "lol" "first post wins" or other worthless comments was a moderatable offense, but it's not something you can work with on as large a scale community as gaf. Just have to live with it.
 

Syrinx

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Like most of you have said, the original post wasn't what bothered me so much as the endless circle-jerk of "OMG" "Should have been first reply!" and other such posts in reaction to it.

It wasn't even a clever joke. There were probably numerous people lined up to say the exact same thing.
 
I kind of wish just quoting posts with "lol" "first post wins" or other worthless comments was a moderatable offense, but it's not something you can work with on as large a scale community as gaf. Just have to live with it.

The beauty of megathreads is that there are no first posts, /threads, or any such nonsense.
We have better ways of threadshitting.
 
Like most of you have said, the original post wasn't what bothered me so much as the endless circle-jerk of "OMG" "Should have been first reply!" and other such posts in reaction to it.

It wasn't even a clever joke. There were probably numerous people lined up to say the exact same thing.

But he was first.
 

madp

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If you're talking about the post everyone is quoting, I don't think it's worth getting upset about. Moe is a known phenomenon originating in Japan, and there's nothing in that post that specifically calls anyone a pedophile or says everyone in Japan likes it.

I don't know what else has been posted in that thread, though.

I think that it would be less offensive if the thread were about a game that was disproportionately popular in Japan relative to other territories because, yes, there are certain games that resonate with the otaku market there and nowhere else. However, the fact is that The Last of Us is universally popular over all territories, and yet no one would ever imply that it is popular in America, Canada, the UK, France, Germany, or Australia for any reason other than the fact that it is a good/well-marketed game. The fact that Japan is singled out in the belief that those who are purchasing the game have an ulterior motive for doing so seems to me to be racially-motivated for this reason, albeit casually.

e: I know that TLoU's success in Japan is a surprise partially because even non-otaku gamers typically purchase few Western games, but I still don't think that that fact alone is enough to justify implied accusations of pedophilia.
 
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I kind of wish just quoting posts with "lol" "first post wins" or other worthless comments was a moderatable offense, but it's not something you can work with on as large a scale community as gaf. Just have to live with it.

I think that it would be less offensive if the thread were about a game that was disproportionately popular in Japan relative to other territories because, yes, there are certain games that resonate with the otaku market there and nowhere else. However, the fact is that The Last of Us is universally popular over all territories, and yet no one would ever imply that it is popular in America, Canada, the UK, France, Germany, or Australia for any reason other than the fact that it is a good/well-marketed game game. The fact that Japan is singled out in the belief that those who are purchasing the game have an ulterior motive for doing so seems to me to be racially-motivated for this reason, albeit casually.

e: I know that TLoU's success in Japan is a surprise partially because even non-otaku gamers typically purchase few Western games, but I still don't think that that fact alone is enough to justify implied accusations of pedophilia.

Yeah I can see what you mean here.
 

Branduil

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I think that it would be less offensive if the thread were about a game that was disproportionately popular in Japan relative to other territories because, yes, there are certain games that resonate with the otaku market there and nowhere else. However, the fact is that The Last of Us is universally popular over all territories, and yet no one would ever imply that it is popular in America, Canada, the UK, France, Germany, or Australia for any reason other than the fact that it is a good game. The fact that Japan is singled out in the belief that those who are purchasing the game have an ulterior motive for doing so seems to me to be racially-motivated for this reason, albeit casually.

It really depends on how they say it and in what context. I mean, the fact is that Japan does have a disproportionately large market for creepy goods- I can't personally think of another 1st-world country where porn depicting underaged fictional children is openly sold. That's certainly not a justification for racism or painting everyone in Japan, or everyone who watches anime, as a creep, but the unfortunate fact is that Japan's reputation as haven for creepy consumerism is not unearned.
 

madp

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It really depends on how they say it. I mean, the fact is that Japan does have a disproportionately large market for creepy goods- I can't personally think of another 1st-world country where porn depicting underaged fictional children is openly sold. That's certainly not an excuse for racism or painting everyone in Japan as a creep, but the unfortunate fact is that Japan's reputation as haven for creepy consumerism is not unearned.

I can accept this as a valid counterpoint. Can we at least agree that even if it's not racist, it's at least very cynical to automatically assume that pedophiles are behind TLoU's success?

Aren't the Uncharted games typically fair sellers for their genre in Japan? I think it's infinitely more reasonable to assume that Japan has its own small and dedicated contingent of Naughty Dog fans at this point.
 

yami4ct

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So now that the spring season is almost over, what anime would you guys recommend?

Without reservations: Hunter x Hunter if you aren't watching it already and Valvrave
With reservations:Attack on Titan if you can deal with shit pacing and Aku no Hana if you can deal with the strange rotoscoping. Story in Aku no Hana is pretty fantastic.
 

JordanN

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Wait, there was pedo accusations? I thought the "protecting little girls is popular" was a nod to actual games where usually a [male] hero protects a female. Like Ico I guess. Not that the player necessarily wants to bang them.

Edit: Meant Ico not Sotc.
 
I can accept this as a valid counterpoint. Can we at least agree that even if it's not racist, it's at least very cynical to automatically assume that pedophiles are behind TLoU's success?

Aren't the Uncharted games typically fair sellers for their genre in Japan? I think it's infinitely more reasonable to assume that Japan has its own small and dedicated contingent of Naughty Dog fans at this point.

I've never been one to pay attention to the sales in Japan for Uncharted, considering I'm not a fan of what was produced under that label
 
I can accept this as a valid counterpoint. Can we at least agree that even if it's not racist, it's at least very cynical to automatically assume that pedophiles are behind TLoU's success?

Aren't the Uncharted games typically fair sellers for their genre in Japan? I think it's infinitely more reasonable to assume that Japan has its own small and dedicated contingent of Naughty Dog fans at this point.

It's becoming increasingly untrue that no Western games sell in Japan anyway. There's a relatively substantial Call of Duty fanbase there.
 

Branduil

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I can accept this as a valid counterpoint. Can we at least agree that even if it's not racist, it's at least very cynical to automatically assume that pedophiles are behind TLoU's success?

Aren't the Uncharted games typically fair sellers for their genre in Japan? I think it's infinitely more reasonable to assume that Japan has its own small and dedicated contingent of Naughty Dog fans at this point.

It would definitely be unfair to say that pedophiles are behind its success. I don't think that post went that far, it was just a dumb joke.
 

yami4ct

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I can accept this as a valid counterpoint. Can we at least agree that even if it's not racist, it's at least very cynical to automatically assume that pedophiles are behind TLoU's success?

Aren't the Uncharted games typically fair sellers for their genre in Japan? I think it's infinitely more reasonable to assume that Japan has its own small and dedicated contingent of Naughty Dog fans at this point.

I think people underestimate how well Japan likes Western action adventure games. They don't do amazing, but they do fairly well for a western product over there. Really, the only Western product that Japanese gamers seem to reject out of hand are our first person titles.
 

madp

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Wait, there was pedo accusations? I thought the "protecting little girls is popular" was a nod to actual games where usually a [male] hero protects a female. Like Shadow of the Colossus I guess. Not that the player necessarily want to bang them.

I don't trust Gaming Side to see the distinction, honestly.

It's becoming increasingly untrue that no Western games sell in Japan anyway. There's a relatively substantial Call of Duty fanbase there.

I've definitely noticed that. Doesn't Japan even have reverse-XSEED equivalent companies now like Spike that localize Western games for a niche audience?
 

yami4ct

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It's becoming increasingly untrue that no Western games sell in Japan anyway. There's a relatively substantial Call of Duty fanbase there.

There's a substantial Call of Duty fanbase there? Changes even my perception. Interesting. Learn something new every day. Yeah, the "Japanese gamers only play Japanese games" generalization has been outdated for a while.
 

yami4ct

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I've definitely noticed that. Doesn't Japan even have reverse-XSEED equivalent companies now like Spike that localize Western games for a niche audience?

They don't publish the games themselves, but 8-4 just started doing english to japanese localizations fairly recently and it seems that that side of the company has been growing at a fairly rapid pace.
 
So now that the spring season is almost over, what anime would you guys recommend?

The only airing anime I've consistently been watching this season was Haiyore! Nyarko-san W (and that's a sequel series). Still, it's super fun and filled to the brim with anime and toku references, so it made me giddy. Kind of sad to see it end. T_T
 

madp

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I wonder if any Japanolinguists here know if there's some kind of term for Japanese who disproportionately play Western games.
 

yami4ct

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It's not like it doesn't happen in here either.

Certainly, but it definitely has less of an effect here due to the thread speed. In threads on the gaming side, those posts sometimes take up to like a 1/3 of the thread space or more. It's far more detrimental in smaller threads.
 
It would definitely be unfair to say that pedophiles are behind its success. I don't think that post went that far, it was just a dumb joke.

The dumbest part is how Ico, the universally praised game from japan about protecting a girl, will inevitably get yet another lttp thread with all the praise and none of the snark.
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
They don't publish the games themselves, but 8-4 just started doing english to japanese localizations fairly recently and it seems that that side of the company has been growing at a fairly rapid pace.

Whoa, that's actually really awesome. All gamers deserve the opportunity to play international games without having to master a second language.
 
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