Square Enix asks fans about if Persona 5/FF15 were out at same time, release hint?

Ehh you mean Tabata? Nomura is long gone.
I edited and included that shortly after posting. I don't really like Tabata but I don't hate his work either, and XV is still MOSTLY Nomura's project in terms of how much of it was under his control and got done before directors changed.
 
The suppose the math works out. I had the western sales lower in my head as the difference. The brand has fallen a bit, but mainly because I think the West in general has moved on and just doesn't see the appeal of Japanese games like that anymore. Sure I love them and want them to do well, but the rise of WRPG'S and western games in general over the last decade has hit their audience a lot and I'm not sure enough of them exist.

I also don't think the game has demonstrated enough to excite people either. That may change over the next year and I'll happily be wrong about the decline I expect. We'll see though.
It's not impossible it face plants. As far as I can tell Lightning Returns moved less units than Bravely Default.

However, the game at least appears to be in the correct general genre space for the West right now and with so few AAA games coming out, those that remain seem to move a reasonable number of units.

3 million in the West would still be over two million less than Dying Light or Mortal Kombat X for example. It'd probably also be over a million behind Shadow of Mordor.

Square Enix showed some good channel stuffing ability as well when their 4 month shipment for Hitman Absolution was 3.6 million units.
 
I edited and included that shortly after posting. I don't really like Tabata but I don't hate his work either, and XV is still MOSTLY Nomura's project in terms of how much of it was under his control and got done before directors changed.

Yeah but Tabata seems hellbent on changing that as much as possible.
 
That and the original release being declared for winter 2013!

It only got delayed when they said they were porting it to PS4.

That's not true at all. Catherine was a test for current generation (at the time) console development, but not for the engine. Plus, Persona 5's development was confirmed on March 24, 2010, with Hashino saying that he wanted to add elements in P5 different from previous games.

Plus, Persona 5 was even potentially hinted at on December 18, 2009, when Hashino talked about the teams working on Persona 4 Golden and Catherine progressively coming together as their games wrapped up development to work on "that."

Coulda sworn I read somewhere that Catherine was a test for gamebryo for Persona 5(which they decided against). In either case, 5-6 years in development isn't really all that bad compared to most games. Not to mention a hint that development would start soon in mid december 2009 practically means it started dev in 2010.
 
Question.
Can Persona 5 still impress with another trailer? The previous trailer was pretty beefy and it seems like a game that is much more low key than your typical Final Fantasy game.

On the other hand I still think FF XV can turn a lot of heads with significant gameplay trailers that will surely hype people up.
 
Question.
Can Persona 5 still impress with another trailer? The previous trailer was pretty beefy and it seems like a game that is much more low key than your typical Final Fantasy game.

On the other hand I still think FF XV can turn a lot of heads with significant gameplay trailers that will surely hype people up.

Yeah, Atlus can just show one new character and people will go nuts.

FFXV will have it's hype in March too, I'm sure.
 
Coulda sworn I read somewhere that Catherine was a test for gamebryo for Persona 5(which they decided against). In either case, 5-6 years in development isn't really all that bad compared to most games. Not to mention a hint that development would start soon in mid december 2009 practically means it started dev in 2010.

I think Catherine was a test for their new engine.
 
Question.
Can Persona 5 still impress with another trailer? The previous trailer was pretty beefy and it seems like a game that is much more low key than your typical Final Fantasy game.

On the other hand I still think FF XV can turn a lot of heads with significant gameplay trailers that will surely hype people up.

They've kept out so much information that, yeah, they could.

I think Catherine was a test for their new engine.

Catherine was gamebryo, and I thought it was a test as their new engine for Persona 5, and I do know that they're not using gamebryo for P5, but an in-house engine.
 
Damn, Atlus (an AA game studio) got SE looking like
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However, the game at least appears to be in the correct general genre space for the West right now and with so few AAA games coming out, those that remain seem to move a reasonable number of units.

What are the Western AAA games coming out next year though, especially the WRPGs? I'm only mostly aware of the Japanese lineup.
 
To answer SE's question, Persona 5.

Times have changed and Final Fantasy is no longer a brand I trust to deliver. The Persona series however is flying high.
 
?? What did it ever do to you??

Thread seems full of Persona die hards who have never played a good FF, or FF diehards who haven't played Persona.

Seen many posts like that, I think members of each fanbase feel threatened by a title which could steal the limelight of something they've been anticipating for a long time. It's quite normal on GAF it seems and with fanbases in general.

Really silly considering how apples and oranges they each are and how both XV + P5 are great entry points for newcomers.

We'll probably see at least a 6-8 week gap between the two, so why not play both?
 
Damn, Atlus (an AA game studio) got SE looking like
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I really doubt that.

Atlus would just be as afraid as you say of FFXV.

Thread seems full of Persona die hards who have never played a good FF, or FF diehards who haven't played Persona.

Seen many posts like that, I think members of each fanbase feel threatened by a title which could steal the limelight of something they've been anticipating for a long time. It's quite normal on GAF it seems and with fanbases in general.

Really silly considering how apples and oranges they each are and how both XV + P5 are great entry points for newcomers.

We'll probably see at least a 6-8 week gap between the two, so why not play both?

Yep, some of the posts in here are embarrassing like the one I quoted :p
 
Thread seems full of Persona die hards who have never played a good FF, or FF diehards who haven't played Persona.

Seen many posts like that, I think members of each fanbase feel threatened by a title which could steal the limelight of something they've been anticipating for a long time. It's quite normal on GAF it seems.

Really silly considering how apples and oranges they each are and how both XV + P5 are great entry points for newcomers.

We'll probably see at leas a 6-8 week gap between the two, so why not play both?

I've played FF 1-2, VI-X, X-2, XII, XIII, personally. I think you'll find a lot less people here who haven't played the prime of FFs than you'll find people who haven't played Persona. I'm not going both because I have no confidance in modern Square and I'll probably still be playing P5 when FF XV comes out unless they adjust their date, and even then I'd wait for a price drop.
 
Thread seems full of Persona die hards who have never played a good FF, or FF diehards who haven't played Persona.

Seen many posts like that, I think members of each fanbase feel threatened by a title which could steal the limelight of something they've been anticipating for a long time. It's quite normal on GAF it seems and with fanbases in general.

Really silly considering how apples and oranges they each are and how both XV + P5 are great entry points for newcomers.

We'll probably see at least a 6-8 week gap between the two, so why not play both?

True that, I think it's silly to put one against the other. We all love JRPG's here, let's hope they're both good and we can enjoy them.
Personally I always have a special place in my heart for both series.
 
I say save the best for last. Release FF 15 before P5. I'd rather build up in quality than be let down. Now if FF XV is up to FF IX's quality, then it is time for debate.
 
Thread seems full of Persona die hards who have never played a good FF, or FF diehards who haven't played Persona.

Seen many posts like that, I think members of each fanbase feel threatened by a title which could steal the limelight of something they've been anticipating for a long time. It's quite normal on GAF it seems and with fanbases in general.

Really silly considering how apples and oranges they each are and how both XV + P5 are great entry points for newcomers.

We'll probably see at least a 6-8 week gap between the two, so why not play both?


ff15s development history is a disaster
persona 5 is a sure thing
 
What are the Western AAA games coming out next year though, especially the WRPGs? I'm only mostly aware of the Japanese lineup.

UC4, Mirror's edge, Deus Ex, Horizon, Rachet and Clank...

But yeah, next year is Japan's year. I don't think anyone sane can take it away from the Japanese developers laying it all on the table
 
i think that is incredibly silly to assume.

There's a lot of drive by posts against each series. It makes you question if these people have much knowledge of both series and not just the one they are championing.

Seems quite common this year to see fanbases for a particular game (Witcher 3, Xenoblade, Bloodborne etc...) to bash one another in certain topics that pit this years games against each other.

Makes it seem like a superiority thing, as opposed to actual clear reasons why people think a certain game has or will be disappointing.
 
What are the Western AAA games coming out next year though, especially the WRPGs? I'm only mostly aware of the Japanese lineup.
In the second half of the year:
- Destiny 2
- Mass Effect: Andromeda
- Battlefield 5
- Dishonored 2
- Call of Duty: Infinity Ward
- Deus Ex: Mankind Divided

We can also presume Assassin's Creed.

Horizon is slated for then, but I don't think it will make it.

Titanfall 2 strikes me as a March 2017 title.

Watch Dogs 2 is a good question.

Suicide Squad will likely be out by then, and maybe Injustice 2 from Warner as well.

I think Mafia 3 is a Fall game, but I could be wrong.

I'm sure I'm missing some things.
 
I think Catherine was a test for their new engine.

Found it; it wasn't this year. September 1, 2014, after Persona 5 was delayed.
Personally speaking, after directing Catherine, I was supposed to prepare for making titles on HD consoles… but that’s a story from a very long time ago. Since then, we’ve worked together with the team staff on developing various titles, and each one has exceeded my expectations.
It wasn't ever said that Gamebryo was meant to be the engine for P5. It's fully possible the Persona 5 engine was in its planning phases during Catherine's development.
 
Wow Square is really shook. They realized they screwed up planning tomb raider around uncharted, and now they dont want to repeat that with FFXV and Persona
 
I've played FF 1-2, VI-X, X-2, XII, XIII, personally. I think you'll find a lot less people here who haven't played the prime of FFs than you'll find people who haven't played Persona. I'm not going both because I have no confidance in modern Square and I'll probably still be playing P5 when FF XV comes out unless they adjust their date, and even then I'd wait for a price drop.

That's a fair and reasonable outlook. No date is in stone, and I have a feeling P5 will hit in July (just as Catherine did) and XV in September.

I hope the March event and a blowout trailer will restore some confidence for you in the series.

True that, I think it's silly to put one against the other. We all love JRPG's here, let's hope they're both good and we can enjoy them.
Personally I always have a special place in my heart for both series.

Yup, P4 and FF7 are in my top 3 games of all time.

I would love to see both series become absolute mammoths and perhaps capture a new teenage audience too.

ff15s development history is a disaster
persona 5 is a sure thing

P5 has had a 1.5 year delay, so hasn't exactly been a smooth ship either. Makes me think it's more than just a delay for technical reasons. Perhaps story changes along the way...

However, I do have confidence in Atlus to get it right.
 
UC4, Mirror's edge, Deus Ex, Horizon, Rachet and Clank...

But yeah, next year is Japan's year. I don't think anyone sane can take it away from the Japanese developers laying it all on the table

Sorry to go off topic but I forgot the new Mirror's Edge was even a thing. Has there been a lot of media for that and I've just been missing it?
 
P5 probably went through development hell.Its just been kept under wraps.

If SE had never even shown Versus to the public,if we'd known nothing till Tabata's reveal in TGS2014,would that suddenly indicate a smooth sailing development ?

You have to consider the enormous gap between P4 and P5.You can't possibly say that Atlus had no trouble at all managing this thing.

As has been said, the situations are different. P5's struggles had to do with company bullshit outside of the team's power, which they continued to chisel away at while that was happening around them.

Versus' issues on the other hand was the overambitious incompetence of Nomura before he was finally told "enough is enough, you're off the project", which led to a total rewrite, a combat reboot, and a bunch of other stuff that involved building shit on top of Versus' hollowed out corpse. Development was internally and externally a giant clusterfuck, whereas it was just external with P5 (based on what we know).
 
As has been said, the situations are different. P5's struggles had to do with company bullshit outside of the team's power, which they continued to chisel away at while that was happening around them.

Versus' issues on the other hand was the overambitious incompetence of Nomura before he was finally told "enough is enough, you're off the project", which led to a total rewrite, a combat reboot, and a bunch of other stuff that involved building shit on top of Versus' hollowed out corpse. Development was internally and externally a giant clusterfuck, whereas it was just external with P5 (based on what we know).

Let's play devils advocate, so why entrust Nomura with the biggest project at SE? It can't be a case of saving face.
 
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