IonicSnake
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I welcome it, I've always wanted a FF game with more action gameplay.
Square-Enix considering making FFXV an action RPG
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They generally have the final say, since they're the ones making and selling the games.NeoUltima said:
It really isn't possible to know this from outside of Square-Enix. Your assumption that they're unrelated products that were later turned into FF games is nothing but a huge assumption based your own dislike of the MMORPG genre.NeoUltima said:
There are some cases where I completely agree with this, and others where the fanbase is a writhing mass of internet rage without any clear message for the developers to hear.NeoUltima said:
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
It doesn't matter if it turns into an action RPG... what matters most is they should hire someone competent to make a strong storyline and a great cast of characters.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
But then it wouldn't be FFVII.Plywood said:
Except the original creators are not making Final Fantasy anymore, which was my point.Orayn said:
Where did I say they were unrelated products turned into MMOs? They were Final Fantasy games always. I said they decided to put numbers on them, and make them part of the mainline series, to increase sales.Orayn said:
The bolded, now that is quite an assumption. I do not hate MMOs at all.
I don't have a problem with them taking action RPG route, problem is the action RPGs they have made before didn't have very good combat systems. But I think they can get better, I haven't played BbS much, can't say about it, I like Type-0 combat but certain things still don't translate well here.
One of the things I think XIII's combat system handled very good, is the Status Ailments, they were key to the battle and exploiting them was very fun. I think most battles and encounters weren't very well designed, they could use the system they had in place better, it really shows in some late missions how good and fun it is.
I think with a realtime system, where you have to control your character's movements, dodge attacks etc. it's hard to have something like that on top of it, can make the battles somewhat overwhelming. Status effects are there in type-0 but they are not that important, you can ignore them for the whole game and everything is moving so fast and you can die so fast that you can't even think about these things, maybe a pause and issue command system on top of realtime combat would work.
One of the things I think XIII's combat system handled very good, is the Status Ailments, they were key to the battle and exploiting them was very fun. I think most battles and encounters weren't very well designed, they could use the system they had in place better, it really shows in some late missions how good and fun it is.
I think with a realtime system, where you have to control your character's movements, dodge attacks etc. it's hard to have something like that on top of it, can make the battles somewhat overwhelming. Status effects are there in type-0 but they are not that important, you can ignore them for the whole game and everything is moving so fast and you can die so fast that you can't even think about these things, maybe a pause and issue command system on top of realtime combat would work.
GenericUser
Member
is there even a place on the final fantasy coffin to place yet another nail in? I don't think so, so, go ahead square.
jump_button
Banned
-_- as long as its a good turn base RPG I hate it that no one is wanting to make the type of games I love
they nothing wrong with old school RPG noone making them that what wrong with them
they nothing wrong with old school RPG noone making them that what wrong with them
Hitoribhoshi
Member
Yes, MORE Mohan in our JRPGs, is just what we need. :|
It can be versus, it can be another game based on a KH-like engine, I don't really care. Just as long as it isn't rigid mock-action RPG which is actually all based on numbers, making you "miss" when you clearly sliced right through something because of some arbitrary stat. And isn't trying to imitate other successful RPGs from the west pretty much.
Always be true to yourself, Square-Enix. Don't listen to any of them, I love you just the way you are.
Always be true to yourself, Square-Enix. Don't listen to any of them, I love you just the way you are.
I don't think so.Kagari said:
Sure, outright asking "Hey! What's Final Fantasy 15 gonna be like?" is rude, but if something like "How do you plan to continue evolving the series' traditional battle formula in future mainline entries?" is tossed in with a majority of FF 13-2 questions, I see no problems/rudeness.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
After the disaster that has been the last 2 games, I don't give a shit what they do as long as they can actually make a "decent" game.
Except Nomura has said Versus XIII would be the (first &) last of its kind (a FF game directed by him). Of course he could always change his mind, but that's something that we'll have to wait until at least Versus & Kingdom Hearts III (which will almost 100% likely be his next big game after Versus) have been released.shuyin_ said:
It's just a name, kinda silly you would take it so seriously as to be disgusted by a game having XI after it instead of "Online". >_>
You may not like his style, but Nomura is what you're after. He's been more or less involved with most of the decent to great games Square Enix has done in recent years (the likes of The World Ends With You, Birth By Sleep, Dissidia, 3rd Birthday etc.).
ScrabbleDude
Member
No thanks. Can we not just have some turn based games? Why does every single RPG need to become an action RPG? I was excited for the Lufia 2 remake until they actioned that up too.
Projectjustice
Banned
What FFXV can learn from Skyrim.
Android18a
Member
I just want a battle system like FFX again TT_TT
FF Versus = FF XIII spinoff. Or, if you don't agree with the 'spinoff' label, FF versus = FNC title =/= main numbered FF titleSpiegel said:
Are you talking about the same Nomura that said KH 2 will not have a Final Mix? Or that you won't get to see all the FF7 characters fight together in Advent CHildren because that'd just be overkill?Famassu said:
Take my advice and don't trust Nomura.
Fimbulvetr
Member
Long as it's good I'll play it, but square really needs to work on party control when it comes to their ARPGs.
Partymembers in the KH games are practically non-existent.
Can someone say whether or not Type-0's ability to switch party-leader on the fly helps alleviate this somewhat?
Partymembers in the KH games are practically non-existent.
Can someone say whether or not Type-0's ability to switch party-leader on the fly helps alleviate this somewhat?
LowEndTorque
Member
The turn-based combat was actually pretty good in FF13.
It was the linearity and structure/design that made the game a steaming pile, not the combat. But whatever, I'm all for them trying the action-rpg route if they're able to pull it off.
It was the linearity and structure/design that made the game a steaming pile, not the combat. But whatever, I'm all for them trying the action-rpg route if they're able to pull it off.
Nomura at least considers Versus XIII very much as a numbered title and so does Square Enix, considering how they've given Nomura free hands to do whatever he likes.shuyin_ said:
Was that before or after KHII's release? Because vanilla KHII was somewhat of a product of fan feedback (they got feedback that KHI was a bit too hard & that the exploration wasn't that fun -> KHII was made easier & level designs were streamlined) & Final Mix was kinda made as a response to the post-release criticism they got from II (higher difficulty level, more extra stuff, some small changes to the battle system etc.).
You didn't really give any good reason not to trust him. He's pretty open about stuff (at least stuff the PR department doesn't completely shut his mouth about), so I'd rather believe his words than take your advice. I mean, yeah, Nomura still has many, many years of game development ahead of him (if he so chooses) so it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities that he'd take on directing another FF sometime in the future (if he stays at Square Enix), but at this point he seems to have other plans for his future, plans I doubt Square Enix has too much interest in changing at the moment, given the success of Kingdom Hearts & other Nomura influenced games. At least at the moment he's making Versus like it's his one & only chance at directing a Final Fantasy game and it's his ultimate vision of Final Fantasy. I'd expect him to focus on Kingdom Hearts and perhaps some new IPs for at least the next 5+ years after Versus XIII's release, so FFXV being directed by Nomura is highly unlikely, imho. Of course he'll likely still have some role in future FFs' development, but I'm positive it won't be in the director's role.
This isn't about what Nomura considers his game to be. If he'd consider Crisis Core to be a main numbered title, would that make it a main FF?Famassu said:
It's the same with Versus, regardless of the fact that Versus is more ambitious game than Crisis Core. In the end, it's still a spinoff, while FF XV will be a main FF game.
IIRC, it was after the release, but does it really matter? The guy made a statement that there won't be a Final Mix. In the end, KH2 got Final Mix +. Now don't get me wrong, i'm not complaining; it's just that his statements should be taken with a grain of salt.Famassu said:
You mean the contradiction between what he says and what is real isn't reason enough?Famassu said:
I'm not saying he is a liar. Maybe it's just conjuncture, but he made quite a few statements (like the AC stuff and KH2 final mix +) that were proven to be false.
I guess what aggravates his statements is his certainty... that KH2 interview was along the lines of 'don't expect a final mix this time'. lol, yeah
Sucks, there seems to be no place to go except back to the past if I want to play quality turn-based RPGs. I'd love to see a game like FF9 again, great story and high production... but still retaining that heart that the classic FF titles had.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Re-branding Versus as the new mainline FF would only improve its sales by a fuckton. I don't know why the fuck are fans of the game against that.
we.are.the.armada
Member
Regulus Tera said:
I don't know anything about branding, marketing, or the current state of the FFXIII brand - how will this work?
It's a mess. "Fabula Nova Crystallis" was supposed to be a sort of constellation of FFXIII-like games like what FFVII got. It was supposed to included the original, Versus, Agito, and eventually more, but Squeenix seems to have scrubbed that idea when they turned Agito into Type-0. As far as I know, Versus doesn't have any direct connections to XIII either, just similar themes and a (possibly?) shared setting.we.are.the.armada said:
djplaeskool
Member
Orayn said:
Shared mythology (Etro, Fal'Cie, L'Cie, etc.)
Link1110
Member
I initially thought that this is a stupid idea, but then I remembered that Square's other action rpg series these days is Kingdom Hearts, which is a lot more fun than any numbered Final Fantasy made in the last decade (10 was released in July 2001 so that doesn't count as the last decade anymore.) A new FF that plays like Kingdom Hearts is worth a shot, I guess.
Paracelsus
Member
we.are.the.armada said:
It works that a mothership will always sell more than a spin-off.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Do we want to save Squeenix or do we want to jack Nomura off?7Th said:
Why am I asking questions I know the answer to?
Because Final Fantasy numbered games sell more than spin-offs.we.are.the.armada said:
This is not MegaTen, peoples!
KingJ2002
Member
Regulus Tera said:
true... honestly... just taking off the XIII will drive sales... let FFXIII-2 be the end of that chapter and let Versus stand on it's own...
as a new entry in the FF franchise... it would sell a ton and give square-enix a head start on next gen rather than succumb to another huge dev cycle that XIII took. They could upgrade the graphics and fine tune it... turning it into a monster of a game that could release at the PS4 launch.
with all the rumors swirling around that this gen is coming to a close sooner rather than later... it's smarter for square-enix to re-brand this game as Final Fantasy XV