I'm doing a full watch right now (except TOS, only doing specific episodes for that), having only seen random episodes before. It is about 437 hours without TOS, which is a huge undertaking, but so far it has been good. The viewing guide in the OP is pretty solid for doing an adbridged viewing, but a complete one is worth it if you have the time.
My Star Trek viewing has been so scattered. I've never watched any of the series chronologically. Just random episodes whenever they were on TV. So I'm kind of interested in watching each series in its entirety. Anyone else planning on doing this? Or an abridged viewing the better route?
Just don't worry about watching Voyager or Enterprise until you are desperate for more Trek. The original 3 series and corresponding movies will keep you satisfied for a long time.
How similar is DS9 to Babylon 5? I've never watched any Star Trek, but I'm a huge fan of B5, Farscape, Firefly etc. Only Star Trek that remotely interests me is DS9.
How similar is DS9 to Babylon 5? I've never watched any Star Trek, but I'm a huge fan of B5, Farscape, Firefly etc. Only Star Trek that remotely interests me is DS9.
Its similar in some respects, it also was the only trek with a real ongoing storyline and real character development between episodes and arcs. Rest of trek is more episodic serial sci fi adventures that a person could watch out of order and not really miss anything often. DS9 though is not as focus on the overall plot as B5 was, as you get lot of one off episodes that focused on specific characters or adventures that have little to do with the major arcs
Movies are better watched after the series for the most part I think, and only so many of them are worthwhile. So dont worry about it for now but certainly consider them later on.
edit: For reference 2, 4, 6, and 8 (TNG) are the ones you would want.
My Star Trek viewing has been so scattered. I've never watched any of the series chronologically. Just random episodes whenever they were on TV. So I'm kind of interested in watching each series in its entirety. Anyone else planning on doing this? Or an abridged viewing the better route?
People have best of lists, but I just prefer to watch a whole series. I watched DS9 and TNG last year, and I'm going through Voyager and TOS right now. It doesn't take as long as it looks, as I would often watch 2 episodes of TNG or DS9 at a time. Some great stuff in there.
I do need to watch the movies though, as I haven't seen any before the TNG ones.
My Star Trek viewing has been so scattered. I've never watched any of the series chronologically. Just random episodes whenever they were on TV. So I'm kind of interested in watching each series in its entirety. Anyone else planning on doing this? Or an abridged viewing the better route?
Combination of very under-realized cast, and lackluster stories. When Voyager was good, it was very good, but problem was it took way to many meh or crap episodes to get to the good stuff.
As a side note, I did not like Janeway because of her manic mood swings every other episode, but I thought Kate Mulgrew was a great actress and had no problems with her.
Voyager is very underwhelming, has a cast of characters that initially seem entirely unlikable and suffers a severe lack of character development and hitting the reset button once too often. That being said, there are a ton of fantastic stand alone episodes that make for great science fiction regardless of the series faults.
I'm currently rewatching TOS, just about to finish up with season 2 and I forgot how many awful episodes there are in this season (and it only gets worse in season 3), The Apple in particular exemplifies everything bad about TOS, and I hate the religious twist in Bread & Circuses that Kirk is so pleased about.
"Twilight" needs to be stuck into the lineup in Enterprise Season 3, and I would cut out Storm Front 1 and 2*, move up the Augment trilogy to the March 17 week and insert the Vulcan trilogy (The Forge, Awakening, and Kir'Shara) into the March 24th week.
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I know this resolves the crazy cliffhanger from the end of Season 3, and is the last Temporal Cold War episode, but I feel like the Vulcan stuff is better and more important.
I'd also recommend cutting Shadows of P'Jem and putting either Cease Fire, Cogenitor or Regeneration after Shockwave. Cease Fire is more Vulcan/Andorian stuff, Cogenitor is kind of a cultural interference episode about aliens with a third gender that may or may not be oppressed, and Regeneration is the Borg episode.
Will make these changes. Been way to long since I've gone through Enterprise, so I'll take your word on all of these (Though I do think Regeneration was just plain stupid). Rather than cut Stormfront , I'll just add in another week.
You're joking. It had the best premise of the series (except DS9, because I have yet to see it), the acting was fine by Star Trek standards, the characters were great (although admittedly standard Star Trek fare except for Seven of Nine), and dialogue and stories were not that radically different than the other shows.
I disagree there, the failing was in the execution.
In Normal trek you can go many episodes without them meeting other people from the federation, so they needed to really push the idea of isolation hard, instead we got what TNG would have been if it ran too, long just with 1 out of every 20 episodes being a 'is this a way home?' ep.
I'd agree that the premise for Voyager was not a problem it was the writing. I thought all the actors were competent, and did fine in their roles, the problem is half the crew was ignored for 7 years. Kim and Chakotay were ignored the most (Chakotay especially given that he's supposed to be the 1st officer)
Honestly the only acting complaint I'd throw at any Trek was Jolene Blalock's terrible performance as T'Pol, made worse by T'Pol not being a very good character.
Combination of very under-realized cast, and lackluster stories. When Voyager was good, it was very good, but problem was it took way to many meh or crap episodes to get to the good stuff.
As a side note, I did not like Janeway because of her manic mood swings every other episode, but I thought Kate Mulgrew was a great actress and had no problems with her.
Seems to be a lot of Voyager haters in this thread. I'm not one of them. Nice to see one other user that likes it. Unless you're trolling. It could've done without neelix though.
Then maybe slot Cease Fire in there instead. You preserve the Vulcan/Andorian theme of Shadows of P'Jem, with less stupid forced sexual tension between Archer and T'Pol.
Then maybe slot Cease Fire in there instead. You preserve the Vulcan/Andorian theme of Shadows of P'Jem, with less stupid forced sexual tension between Archer and T'Pol.
Year of Hell was probably the best 2-parter but they reset button it annoying. Voyager reset buttons basically everything that happens on the show, so terrible.
Also, after the tail end of Season 2, Harry Kim for the rest of the show is his alternate reality duplicate lol.
Also, remember the Voyager episode about Earth dinosaurs having evolved sentience and leaving Earth in space ships before the meteor? LOL
You're joking. It had the best premise of the series (except DS9, because I have yet to see it), the acting was fine by Star Trek standards, the characters were great (although admittedly standard Star Trek fare except for Seven of Nine), and dialogue and stories were not that radically different than the other shows.
The premise was utterly FANTASTIC. An integrated crew of Starfleet and Maquis trying to work together to make it home in a hostile area with no support, no possibility of Federation help, no familiar alien species and a completely unexplored area of space? That's an amazing basis for a Trek show.
And they threw pretty much all of that promise in the toilet almost immediately. The Maquis-Starfleet conflict was essentially swept under the rug. Being alone in the Delta Quadrant meant nothing, because no matter what happened to the ship we never saw any lasting effects past the end of the episode. No matter how many redshirts died in shuttle crashes,
don't even get me started on the shuttles
there was never a lack of crew to keep the ship running. The ship never sustained any permanent damage.
The acting was okay. Seven of Nine and the Doctor were great characters, the rest were not.
That's not to say there weren't good and occasionally great episodes sprinkled around in there, but the show promised things it never even attempted to deliver.
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Also, after the tail end of Season 2, Harry Kim for the rest of the show is his alternate reality duplicate lol.
Ya Voyager was a wasted opportunity. The crew should have been chipped away over time so they would have to keep picking up new alien replacement crew, giving us a dynamic crew and feeling that anyone could die during any given episode.
Instead Voyager had endless redshirts and shuttles to lose.
Will make a post once it's up just in case, but be aware that "The Cage" may be at the end of the TOS episode listings with the season 3 stuff, as it was an unaired pilot and not included on the season 1 or 2 sets.
I've hardly watched Star Trek at all. The only full episode I remember seeing is "Darmok" from Next Generation, and that was only because my 11th grade English teacher showed it in class when we were covering Gilgamesh.
For now, I'll say I'm in. I really need to just sit down and give it a solid chance. I can't make any guarantees once college starts back in late August, but I'm game at least until then.
I'll join this, we'll see how far I can get. I've never really cared for the show although oddly I've seen all of the movies (but liked only a handful of them).
I'll give it till the end of the day to see what they do about season 1 of TOS. I will However write off "The Cage" as a "disk only" thing and just replace it with "The Menagerie", which was a two part episode that made use of footage from the episode.
So as somebody who hasn't really ever watched much Star Trek except for some TNG in the 90's and is planning to just watch them all in order, I should just start the whole thing with Man Trap>Charlie X>Where No Man, right? It says Where No Man is the pilot, but was shown third. Should I just stick with the traditional order, or watch WNM first?
So as somebody who hasn't really ever watched much Star Trek except for some TNG in the 90's and is planning to just watch them all in order, I should just start the whole thing with Man Trap>Charlie X>Where No Man, right? It says Where No Man is the pilot, but was shown third. Should I just stick with the traditional order, or watch WNM first?
It could've done without neelix though.
