Star Wars Battlefront will not have ironsights
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You have to aim down the sight to see through it so yes. Apparently any game also turns into CoD if you have one equipped.
also, ADS isn't modern. It's been in console shooters since 1997 - Goldeneye had it. Perfect Dark had it, on the N64. PC before that.
The idea that it needs to be in every single game, even when it's not appropriate for the game or part of the game's traditional design is what irritates the fuck out of people. It has actual design implications that drastically change how the game plays, and it's so obvious whenever it's just slapped on 'just cuz'.
It was just as annoying when every game adopted Halo's health system and genericized in that regard, too.
The idea that it needs to be in every single game, even when it's not appropriate for the game or part of the game's traditional design is what irritates the fuck out of people. It has actual design implications that drastically change how the game plays, and it's so obvious whenever it's just slapped on 'just cuz'.
It was just as annoying when every game adopted Halo's health system and genericized in that regard, too.
DarkJedi24
Member
Excellent. Further differentiation from the pack, while staying true to the series gets a kudos in my book.
The force is strong with this statement. Good riddance! POS backwards mechanic that has ruined games. Cant even see my environment if i need to kill someone! Barely see below my gun. Should be kept for CoD games as they are games i avoid. Titan Fall wasnt enjoyable because of this shit mechanic.
Strider7
Member
Almost a deal-breaker for me, personally. This assumption that those that prefer ADS are "new gamers" or something is condescending crap. I prefer it due to immersion, the way it feels and I like to aim the way a firearm actually is aimed. It's an advancement of the genre, and I don't care for going back to old school arcade shooters.
What I can't figure out is the sanctimonious attitude of people here acting like ADS is some plague on the industry. Is it hip to hate ADS these days?
What I can't figure out is the sanctimonious attitude of people here acting like ADS is some plague on the industry. Is it hip to hate ADS these days?
Primethius
Banned
Great news. Screw ADS.
It's not hip to hate ADS. The hatred for ADS stems from the stop and shoot kind of gameplay it promotes.
It's not hip to hate ADS. The hatred for ADS stems from the stop and shoot kind of gameplay it promotes.
The Real Napsta
Member
I hope not.
Scully Scully Scoo
Member
Awesome. Will be refreshing
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
The next question is whether or not sprint is in.
this. i too love the look of ADS, but unless i'm playing a more realistic shooter, i dont want it to impact my ability to move, strafe, and dodge. i'm really glad battlefront looks to be more "arcade" in this regard, though i wouldnt at all mind the halo 5 solution, which has ADS, but without the movement penalties (ie, its similar to old halo titles aiming, just with the ads look)
I'm talking about overall preference of ADS and why it makes sense. Bear in mind that I'm talking about this strictly visually. I prefer aiming with the actual sights of a gun instead of a magical crosshair in the middle of the screen. Gameplay wise both approaches are fine to me.
I like the way they implemented ADS in New Vegas. It's basically just a visual addition to those who like it. It improved the game significantly for me.
DarkConfidant
Member
It would have been weird if it did.
ElzarTheBam
Member
Is it hip to have it in every major MP game these days?
That's what the real argument is, even if by the nature of news, it brings people out who absolutely despise ADS.
Souless Squirrel
Member
Already known but makes sense. At that point in time I would expect our helmets to be linked to our weapons so we know were we are aiming at all times similar to how the heads up display for spartans in halo works(which is why halo never had ADS lore wise at least).
yiepekaiyei
Banned
you must be playing a different version of these games, indeed. I get the same enjoyment and experience as the_batman.
Well, I guess it's a post launch buy for me, if at all. Will wait for some gameplays.
Fleshfeast
Member
Well that was a close one. Just yesterday I was thinking of preordering digitally on Xbox One. Now I'll wait for gameplay and decide if I'm still interested.
edit: oops, it's not actually there for preorder, it just says coming soon.
edit: oops, it's not actually there for preorder, it just says coming soon.
i was expecting this to play like a battlefield total conversion, but this is sounding like a whole new beast. as someone who just doesnt like the "feel" of battlefield (apologies for being vague, i don't quite have a grasp of what feels off to me even), i'm hoping these differences are deep.
test_account
XP-39C²
How so? If you mean slightly aim assist, that works fine without iron sight too.People being forced to git gud with aiming?
I approve
shinobi602
Member
Both forms of play are fine by me, but it always puzzles me why many feel ADS automatically makes games slower than not. Most shooters I play with ADS move at a pretty fast pace (Battlefield, COD, etc) and don't feel like I 'stop' at all. In fact they sometimes feel faster than games without ADS.
I also don't understand the inherent drawback in taking time to aim down an ironsight. Meaning, why is constantly moving while shooting considered 'better'? From the shooters I've played, it doesn't feel like it takes more skill. Feels like moving while aiming/following your target down the sight takes as much focus as getting the bead on someone while moving as in non-ADS shooters, but maybe that's just me personally.
DarkJedi24
Member
This would be great. Bring back health pickups DICE.
Thats a silly comment to make. Not all fps plays the same just as all third person shooters play the same. gta added first person it didn't automatically turn into call of duty
EDIT:If you tripled or quadrupled the amount of health a person has in call of duty the entire game changes from everyone running around by themselves since it would make focus firing from multiple people a valid tactic
Yep. I wonder if 3rd person/1st person will be segregated by servers.
Hip Hop
Member
This is why the hate for ADS is silly to me.
When implemented differently, all it becomes is a different camera angle, nothing more, nothing less. Nothing that changes the flow, the map, the gameplay style.
If DICE could have wanted to, there would have made it so there is no penalty for not aiming, no penatly for aiming. That's it. It would have changed zero to what they are doing now, just giving options to others that prefer it if it was added in.
JetBlackPanda
Member
Argh.. I love ADS oh well.
This. Battlefront can be played in both 3rd and 1st perspectives. Iron sights and 3rd person don't jive.
Diprosalic
Banned
i'm interested now. i feared this would be a reskinned Battlefield.
What non-ADS shooters do you play?
ADS pretty much guarantees shallow gunplay, non-existent recoil and just an overall easier experience. I dunno about you but I don't like my multiplayer games to be easy/scrubby. I enjoy my skill shining and not being held back by scrub mechanics and a skill ceiling.
ActuallyHulk
Banned
Wow. That actually surprises me. This game might not turn out so bad after all if they keep hitting the right notes.
I like this, it means that BF4 will survive even longer, until BF5 hits. I just bought all the DLC, and I love the maps. I am reassured now that it will be filled with players to play with for a lot longer.
Also, this will feel refreshing to play. I wonder if the FPS mode is similar to CS in accuracy, or if the guns still behave as in a shooter with ADS.
Also, this will feel refreshing to play. I wonder if the FPS mode is similar to CS in accuracy, or if the guns still behave as in a shooter with ADS.
Star Citizzen has ADS, and it's far from COD. Halo 5 will have ADS and it works completely different than COD and pretty much provides no benefits over hip firing except in long range.
To be clear I personally never said ADS was objectively worse it's just different. Games without ADS can be an absolute blast to play just as much as games with it can be. The objection I made was to the people stating it was a design advancement that should be utilized in every FPS game. As if any FPS without ADS is somehow not "modern." I vehemently disagree with that assessment. I think ADS and non ADS offer very different play styles and there is room for both.
I do, however, think it's a shame when series built around hip fire mechanics add ADS under this misguided assumption that lack of it makes it somehow behind the times as has been done in Halo 5.
Primethius
Banned
You do stop with ADS though. When you pull up the Iron Sights, your character slows down. Movement is hampered so you can shoot more precisely.
And shooting while moving is considered better by me simply because you have to take into account a variety of factors not present or not present to the same degree in an ADS environment. For example, in a typical Halo encounter, this would be both you and your opponents strafing, jumping, what have you while trying to pin the other player as quickly as possible with the 3 or 4 shot weapon you have. It's just more factors to consider while also not slowing down the pace of the game for the sake of precision.
Non-existent recoil? I played tons of games with ADS where the sights bounce all over the place while shooting. If anything, recoil is more of a factor in ADS.
Yay, the worst Battlefield ever will have a longer life because this Star Wars game doesn't have ADS?
Give War A Chance
Member
I feel like this post sums up my thought adequately. I think it can be a fine decision, and it's definitely bold, but the gameplay footage will tell us all we need to know.
