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[IAmtheFMan]

No, it was NOT James Earl Jones. Not in the teaser trailer, not in the teaser TV spot. Both times, Hayden's voice was altered to be deeper closer to JEJ's voice. The inflection of words is off (master) and Hayden says this earlier in the movie, prior to him putting on the suit, and they just digitally altered it so it wouldn't seem strange to hear Hayden's voice and see the Vader suit.

Why they changed it in the teaser trailer... most likely because they're TV spots so they can't take their sweet time.

 

[Ristamar]

*cough* A few people here obviously need to check IMDB. It's not like it's a huge secret.

EDIT: Oh, I get what you're saying... you don't think Jones laid down the voice work yet (or hadn't before the preview material was aired). It's certainly possible.

 

[DopeyFish]

some really bad hearing problems you have. I just listened to the clip several times in a row and there's no mistaking the voice for anyone else other than james earl jones. It's not "like" his voice. It is his voice.

Master was properly spoken. And knowing about much of audio editing... the amount of work that would be required to make haydens voice even remotely similar (plus the fact that since it's going down in pitch would require extra recording data, at a faster rate... sort of like shooting film at several hundred frames per second) would be a complete pain in the ass. It would be even easier to record JEJ! Oh wait! I forgot! James Earl Jones isn't recording any audio for SWE3! *rolleyes*

You probably heard it from someone on some forum like MF or TFN, but they are lying jackasses. The voice recording is 100% authentic James Earl Jones.

 

[Baconäger]

Lord Vader.
Yes, master?
Rise.

 

[DopeyFish]

Lord Vader.
Yes, master?
Rise.

Lord Vader and Rise are probably from that sequence but vaders voice was either a) a yes master recorded just for the trailer (it's not tinkered off of Haydens voice) or b) ripped from the last 5-10 minutes of the movie.

 

[Ristamar]

some really bad hearing problems you have. I just listened to the clip several times in a row and there's no mistaking the voice for anyone else other than james earl jones. It's not "like" his voice. It is his voice.

Master was properly spoken. And knowing about much of audio editing... the amount of work that would be required to make haydens voice even remotely similar (plus the fact that since it's going down in pitch would require extra recording data, at a faster rate... sort of like shooting film at several hundred frames per second) would be a complete pain in the ass. It would be even easier to record JEJ! Oh wait! I forgot! James Earl Jones isn't recording any audio for SWE3! *rolleyes*

You probably heard it from someone on some forum like MF or TFN, but they are lying jackasses. The voice recording is 100% authentic James Earl Jones.

To be fair, Factor 5 had an excellent Vader voice in their GC Rogue Squadron games, and he wasn't voiced by James Earl Jones. Either Factor 5 has their shit down hard when it comes to editting audio, or it isn't as difficult as you believe.

 

[IAmtheFMan]

some really bad hearing problems you have. I just listened to the clip several times in a row and there's no mistaking the voice for anyone else other than james earl jones. It's not "like" his voice. It is his voice.

Master was properly spoken. And knowing about much of audio editing... the amount of work that would be required to make haydens voice even remotely similar (plus the fact that since it's going down in pitch would require recording data) would be a complete pain in the ass. It would be even easier to record JEJ! Oh wait! I forgot! James Earl Jones isn't recording any audio for SWE3! *rolleyes*

You probably heard it from someone on some forum like MF or TFN, but they are lying jackasses. The voice recording is 100% authentic James Earl Jones.

I'm not saying that JEJ isn't doing anything for EP:3, but you keep maintaining that it was his voice in the teaser, and it's NOT. The main friggin' insider that gave almost every single insider picture in my "spoiler picture" thread confirmed that in the teaser, it was NOT JEJ's voice. ADR for JEJ wasn't done by the time they released the teaser (November.)

And to say that it would be too much trouble to use a PIECE OF ALREADY RECORDED DIALOGUE and deepen it up would be too complicated is crazy. It's not entirely complicated to do so, and even if it were, THIS IS GEORGE FRICKIN' LUCAS. He digitally manipulates ANYTHING that he wants.

Listen to the "Master" in the teaser, and listen to Vader say "Master" in ROTJ. The inflection is off. It's subtle, but it's there.

 

[DopeyFish]

dude. could it be because James earl jones is like... 20 years older than when he did the recordings for ROTJ? Do you think you'll sound exactly the same as you do now in 20 years?

Watch ANH and ROTJ, notice how fucking different vaders voice is there.

To be fair, Factor 5 had an excellent Vader voice in their GC Rogue Squadron games, and he wasn't voiced by James Earl Jones. Either Factor 5 has their shit down hard when it comes to editting audio, or it isn't as difficult as you believe.

Scott Lawrence has done the voice for Vader in SEVERAL star wars games, not just Rogue Squadron series and also really shows that there's very limited selection for candidates for vader's voice. Doing it off Haydens = no no.

 

[IAmtheFMan]

dude. could it be because James earl jones is like... 20 years older than when he did the recordings for ROTJ? Do you think you'll sound exactly the same as you do now in 20 years?

Watch ANH and ROTJ, notice how fucking different vaders voice is there.

Accentuation of words, unless it's a (initially) conscious decision to do so, does not change with great variation. In this case, it was apparent enough that there were enough people that scratched their heads, and said "wait, that doesn't sound QUITE right" and there's a reasonable explanation for it, despite your adamant claim against it.

Where's Mana to back me up on this?

 

[Ristamar]

Heh. I was gonna suggest that we just ask Mana.

 

[Prince of Space]

This is the stupidest debate GAF has ever seen.

 

[IAmtheFMan]

This is the stupidest debate GAF has ever seen.

Please, this blows any MAF/Wilco "what's your favorite chunky style of soup/brand of macaroni and cheese/color bed spread" discussion away.

 

[Dan]

When the teaser debuted last November, that was Hayden's voice modified. TFN has a news story here from the end of October confirming that James Earl Jones had not done any new voice work yet.

 

[Crow]

Seriously...if you have to debate whos voice it is, it really doesn't make a whole lot of differance.

 

[ManaByte]

Lord Vader and Rise are probably from that sequence but vaders voice was either a) a yes master recorded just for the trailer (it's not tinkered off of Haydens voice) or b) ripped from the last 5-10 minutes of the movie.

Dude, it's fucking Hayden's voice modified to sound like James Earl Jones for the trailer. JEJ does NOT speak thos lines in the last "5-10" minutes, and it was not recorded just for the trailer.

 

[jadehorizon1]

This isnt Star Wars related but did anyone catch the new Batman trailers on ESPN2??? WOW I would have made an new topic for this but i guess being a junior member stops me? Oh well, check them out,


http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2005/0-9ABC/BatmanBegins/trailer.php





check out this link and scroll all the way down to the bottom to the last two ... man I dont know which one I want to see more, Star Wars or BB!!

 

[ManaByte]

This isnt Star Wars related but did anyone catch the new Batman trailers on ESPN2??? WOW I would have made an new topic for this but i guess being a junior member stops me? Oh well, check them out,


http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2005/0-9ABC/BatmanBegins/trailer.php





check out this link and scroll all the way down to the bottom to the last two ... man I dont know which one I want to see more, Star Wars or BB!!

Don't derail threads. kkthnxbye

 

[Boogie]

Eh, the "turn against me" line sounded fine to me, don't see what there is to complain about there.

edit: but yeah, the music editing has SUCKED for most of these teasers/trailers. WTF, Lucasfilm?

 

[jadehorizon1]

Don't derail threads. kkthnxbye

hey not tryin to do any harm, just giving a heads up ... no big deal

 

[evil ways]

Eh, the "turn against me" line sounded fine to me, don't see what there is to complain about there.

edit: but yeah, the music editing has SUCKED for most of these teasers/trailers. WTF, Lucasfilm?

He spoke it in the form of a freaking question, it sounds lame. Imagine Vader going "All too easy?" on ESB, it would sound stupid. It's not the line, but the way it was spoken.

 

[Boogie]

He spoke it in the form of a freaking question, it sounds lame. Imagine Vader going "All too easy?" on ESB, it would sound stupid. It's not the line, but the way it was spoken.

I know what you meant, but I disagree, the delivery doesn't sound that strange to me.

 

[ZombieSupaStar]

so why wouldnt lucas use JEJ for ep3 to do vader? That just seems stupid not to.

 

[ManaByte]

so why wouldnt lucas use JEJ for ep3 to do vader? That just seems stupid not to.

He IS using JEJ. The line in the trailer is spoken by non-suited Vader so it doesn't sound like JEJ so they modified it just for the trailer. Partly because they don't want people to know Anakin becomes Vader long before he is in the suit.

 

[Vormund]

I know what you meant, but I disagree, the delivery doesn't sound that strange to me.

The delivery sounded a bit strange the first time I heard it, but now to me it definitely sounds like an ultimatium.

Like: "The Jedi have turned against me, don't you dare* turn against me"

Of course I added the word "dare" but that's basically how it comes across to me. Also the context should emphasise it a bit further.

 

[ManaByte]

The delivery sounded a bit strange the first time I heard it, but now to me it definitely sounds like an ultimatium.

Like: "The Jedi have turned against me, don't you dare* turn against me"

Of course I added the word "dare" but that's basically how it comes across to me. Also the context should emphasise it a bit further.

Here's the context of that exchange:

Spoiler

PADME: I don't believe what I'm hearing ... Obi-Wan was right. You've changed.
ANAKIN: I don't want to hear any more about Obi-Wan. The Jedi turned against me. Don't you turn against me.
PADME: I don't know you anymore. Anakin, you're breaking my heart. I'll never stop loving you, but you're going down a path I can't follow.
ANAKIN: Because of Obi-Wan?
PADME: Because of what you've done ... what you plan to do. Stop, stop now. Come back! I love you.
ANAKIN: (seeing Obi-Wan) Liar!

PADME turns around and sees OBI-WAN standing in the doorway of the Naboo cruiser.

PADME: No!
ANAKIN: You're with him. You've betrayed me! You brought him here to kill me!
PADME: No! Anakin I swear ... I ...

ANAKIN reaches out, and PADME ...

 

[soundwave05]

Ruh oh.

Well a bunch of people at Millennium Falcon have read the Episode III script, and some of the reviews filtering in are mixed ...

I'm actually really dissapointed with this script. I'm probably going against popular opinion by saying so, but the dialogue really, really blows. Hard. Also, the whole tone of it is just a lot different that I thought it'd be. A simple PG rating would not surprise me at all. Perhaps I just think it's bad because I'm reading the novel. In the novel Obi-Wan and Anakin's freindship is really well developed with some great, natural dialogue. Also, Grievous actually had character. His exchnage with Nute after landing on Utapau was fantastic! The poor guy has next to no character in the screenplay. No wonder some people hate him. Also, in the novel, the Padme/Anakin scenes were, astonishingly, some of my favorite. This screenplay is just like Episode I and II. I thought this would be different. Anyway, all of this is just, like, you know, my opinion man. Maybe the film version will be good.

I'm afraid I have to agree; especially after reading the novel and the "Making of" book, I think the script is shockingly weak. The emotional dialogue in the novel, expecially during the Vader/Obi-Wan duel, seems to have been embellished from the script. The script dialogue seems bland and unengaging. What gives me hope is that, at least judging from the "Making of Episode III" book, the script is only an outline and the dialogue is improvised often.

Personally though I've read snippets, there are some cool lines in this movie and still some stinkers.

From what I understand

Spoiler

the nature of Padme's death

will probably have a lot of people rolling their eyes.

Hopefully it'll still be decent on screen, about ROTJ level (sans the Ewoks).

 

[ManaByte]

Ruh oh.

Well a bunch of people at Millennium Falcon have read the Episode III script, and some of the reviews filtering in are mixed ...

Personally though I've read snippets, there are some cool lines in this movie. Hopefully it'll still be decent on screen, about ROTJ level (sans the Ewoks).

Some of the people bashing the script over at MF.com are mostly known TFN trolls who were banned from TFN and went over to MF.com to do the same. And they also don't understand the difference between a novel and a film screenplay.

 

[btrboyev]

is that script that was leaked even the final script or just an early version? I ask this becasue scripts are often changed even during filming and reshoots could be done with new scripts.

 

[soundwave05]

Some of the people bashing the script over at MF.com are mostly known TFN trolls who were banned from TFN and went over to MF.com to do the same. And they also don't understand the difference between a novel and a film screenplay.

This sounds like damage control big time. The posters who are quoted there were pretty reasonable in their points.

 

[ManaByte]

is that script that was leaked even the final script or just an early version? I ask this becasue scripts are often changed even during filming and reshoots could be done with new scripts.

It wasn't "leaked". On April 2nd, Lucas Books and Del Ray officially released the illustrated screenplay as a digital PDF or MS Reader download for $5. Previously the script was sold in stores, but this time they just did it online.

It's the final draft of the script, but apparently differs slightly from the shooting script. Each scene includes the original scene number from the final draft as well as the scene number from the shooting script used in Syndey. Also, it includes all the scenes that were either cut completely or changed in editing/reshoots.

 

[ManaByte]

This sounds like damage control big time. The posters who are quoted there were pretty reasonable in their points.

Yea, they sound resonable because they back up your agenda of saying the movie is shit. Vinceyoung is annoying people over there as he only trolls the movie.

 

[soundwave05]

Yea, they sound resonable because they back up your agenda of saying the movie is shit. Vinceyoung is annoying people over there as he only trolls the movie.

So why is their opinion automatically a "troll" because it doesn't agree with your opinion?

There are several posters over there that are saying the script has some definite weaknesses.

Are you saying every single one of them is simply trolling?

 

[Manics]

Spoiler

The scene with Jar-jar screaming out "Meesa gonna die!!" before he gets his head lopped off just made me cry.

 

[ManaByte]

So why is their opinion automatically a "troll" because it doesn't agree with your opinion?

There are several posters over there that are saying the script has some definite weaknesses.

Are you saying every single one of them is simply trolling?

Yes, because they are basing their opinion on the novel and are reading the screenplay as if it was a novel. They don't fucking get the difference between the two, and their thick headed responses and inability to understand the difference is starting to drive away some long-time MF.com posters as the idiots are turning the board into TFN 2.0. It'd be like this forum being invaded by GameFaqs posters.

This sentence makes it sound like you almost believe the novel came first.

there was no "Splicing and putting back together" in the script. The novelist embellished the dialog that was there--just as the actors will do.

It's hard to read a script if you're not used to it, and screenplays take a lot of effort on the part of the reader to make them work like they're intended to. it's not the same as reading a novel, where so many other things can be spelled out, where you can spend pages and pages crawling inside a characters head. In a script, not only is that impossible, but if you tried, your script would be trashed, as the actors would consider you an asshole for telling them how to do their job and removing any room for their own interpretation.

They are also matching up to the most retarded subset of Star Wars fans and bashing the movie because it doesn't fit with THEIR vision of how it should be. They are attacking Grievous because he doesn't match how THEY imagined he'd be. They can't get it through their heads that they don't create the characters.

 

[soundwave05]

Yes, because they are basing their opinion on the novel and are reading the screenplay as if it was a novel. They don't fucking get the difference between the two, and their thick headed responses and inability to understand the difference is starting to drive away some long-time MF.com posters as the idiots are turning the board into TFN 2.0. It'd be like this forum being invaded by GameFaqs posters.

This is not entirely true, there are some posters who are basing their criticisms strictly on the script itself.

Besides I don't recall you chastising those who liked the novel by telling them the movie is a different beast.

Personally though (even though we heard this for Episode II as well), I find it almost impossible that Episode III would be worse than the previous two prequels. So I'm hoping for something decent.

The only sequence that really worries me is

Spoiler

Anakin killing the little Jedi kids

...

Err ... yikes (not in a good way either).

 

[radioheadrule83]

The illustrated screenplay + making of PDF files are £3.20 on amazon...

considering no one seems to have cracked them (people have made their own copies from JPGs instead), it's easily worth it.

I'll let you know what I think myself soon.

 

[IAmtheFMan]

The script wasn't too bad. The dialogue (which is what I was most concerned about) is better than it was in Clones and Menace, (i.e. no "sand is rough," "yippees," "no need to report that until we have something to report," and "I wish I could wish my my feelings aside" lines) although some of the exchanges from the novel, I do kinda wish were in the movie,(i.e. Obi-Wan looking at Palpatine hanging in an elevator shaft after groggily coming to going "oh hello Chancellor, are you well?") although I'm not sure how the novelization process works; if it's worked on con-currently with the re-shoots, or solely based off of the finalized script.

Also, I've heard that more of the slower moments have been cut out of the movie (the Senators starting the Rebellion; cool on paper, most likely slow in execution) and I have no doubt that there were little bits and pieces added here and there during re-shoots. Whether or not Lucas did anything as elaborate as the Droid Factory sequence from Clones remains to be seen.

 

[ManaByte]

The only sequence that really worries me is

Spoiler

Anakin killing the little Jedi kids

...

Err ... yikes (not in a good way either).

Huh? The scene isn't even shown on screen.

 

[soundwave05]

Huh? The scene isn't even shown on screen.

Are you sure?

That's a relief then.

Spoiler

Obviously Lucas can't show Anakin cutting down the kids, but does he still show him confronting the scared little children?

Something like that ... I dunno, I just can't rectify it, even if he does do it as a character, to be shown it or even shown the very beginning of it is so repulsive, I don't know if I can buy his redemption in ROTJ.

 

[ManaByte]

although I'm not sure how the novelization process works; if it's worked on con-currently with the re-shoots, or solely based off of the finalized script.

It was based on the script. Many of the reshoots were going on when the book was already finished.

Also, I've heard that more of the slower moments have been cut out of the movie (the Senators starting the Rebellion; cool on paper, most likely slow in execution) and I have no doubt that there were little bits and pieces added here and there during re-shoots. Whether or not Lucas did anything as elaborate as the Droid Factory sequence from Clones remains to be seen.

The film-print version of the movie is finished. Also, the script released reflects all new dialog added after filming (for reshoots). The Yoda/Anakin scene that's in the script and the Tragedy TV spot is one of these.

They are still doing minor tweaks to the digial version since they can work on that one up until the end of the month, but they won't add anything as big as the Droid Factory as they are done with all filming.

 

[ManaByte]

Are you sure?

That's a relief then.

Spoiler

Obviously Lucas can't show Anakin cutting down the kids, but does he still show him confronting the scared little children?

Something like that ... I dunno, I just can't rectify it, even if he does do it as a character, to be shown it or even shown the very beginning of it is so repulsive, I don't know if I can buy his redemption in ROTJ.

Spoiler

They show Anakin killing Shak-Ti, and then igniting his saber in front of a youngling then cut away.

Later Obi-Wan and Yoda find the bodies.

 

[IAmtheFMan]

The film-print version of the movie is finished. Also, the script released reflects all new dialog added after filming (for reshoots). The Yoda/Anakin scene that's in the script and the Tragedy TV spot is one of these.

Cool Thanks Mana. Does this mean that the Mothma/Bail/Rebellion scenes are in, or have those been cut? I read that they were, somewhere.

EDIT: Cut, that is.

 

[soundwave05]

The editing is going to be a tricky aspect. Too long and it may get some backlash ala Return of the King from casual viewers ... too short and some of the hardcore faithful may feel gyped.

I think really Ep.I + II could've been one movie with some changes here and there. Especailly if Lucas was willing to do a "hakuna matata growing up" sequence for Anakin to take Anakin from a kid to a 19 year old.

 

[Tritroid]

Spoiler

The scene with Jar-jar screaming out "Meesa gonna die!!" before he gets his head lopped off just made me cry.

:lol

That actually happens?

Cool Thanks Mana. Does this mean that the Mothma/Bail/Rebellion scenes are in, or have those been cut? I read that they were, somewhere.

Oh God I hope they weren't cut. The Mothma scenes would be a huge bridge from Eps III to IV. :\

 

[ManaByte]

Cool Thanks Mana. Does this mean that the Mothma/Bail/Rebellion scenes are in, or have those been cut? I read that they were, somewhere.

AFAIK they are gone because the same information can be understood from

Spoiler

Padme/Bail during the naming of the Empire scene

, but they could still be there especially since they did a Mothma figure.

The editing is going to be a tricky aspect. Too long and it may get some backlash ala Return of the King from casual viewers ... too short and some of the hardcore faithful may feel gyped.

I think really Ep.I + II could've been one movie with some changes here and there. Especailly if Lucas was willing to do a "hakuna matata growing up" sequence for Anakin to take Anakin from a kid to a 19 year old.

Lucas already cut

Spoiler

Dagobah

from the end because he felt that with endings on

Spoiler

Naboo, a Star Destroyer, and Tatooine

there were too many endings.

Coppola and Spielberg have been helping him trim scenes for pacing and editing.

:lol

That actually happens?

No, Jar Jar is only seen during the ending montage and has no lines. He was in one other scene earlier in the movie with two lines, but that has been cut.

 

[soundwave05]

:lol

That actually happens?

I don't think so, too bad though, that scene would probably get more cheers than Yoda busting out his lightsaber.

 

[Tritroid]

btw, what's the word on Alderaan? Being shown finally or not?

EDIT: Also, Anakin really sounds like Luke during the "The Jedi turned against me" line. And I don't think that sounds as if he's asking her a question...

 

[ManaByte]

btw, what's the word on Alderaan? Being shown finally or not?

They did designs for it, and it was to appear in one shot at the end. No one knows if it was cut along with Dagobah or not.

 

[Tritroid]

They did designs for it, and it was to appear in one shot at the end. No one knows if it was cut along with Dagobah or not.

Well I hope it is. Frankly I was hoping it was going to get more screen time than just a shot at the end though. :\ It would have garnered more sympathy for its destruction in IV.

 

[soundwave05]

Another question I have about Dagobah

Spoiler

Even if that scene is cut, I assume it'll be put back onto the DVD as a deleted scene or as an extended cut. Does baby Luke at some point ever end up on Dagobah? Like Obi-Wan, with baby Luke in tow, visiting/dropping Yoda off at Dagobah before heading off to Tatooine? It'd be great to have that to set up Luke's line in ESB