I would assume Luke dies in Episode VIII so that the new heroes will have to face Uber themselves in the final battle in Episode IX. Seems typical for a monomyth structure.
I'm more interested in how long Leia will last.
edit: One thing I really, really want but don't know if they'd be willing to do is bring back Hayden as a Force ghost to try and talk some sense into Kylo Ren. Or even just bring Anakin's ghost back in "Vader form" as that's how Kylo would subconsciously want to see him.
Prepare to be disappointed. MSW has a call sheet of every shot. Very unlikely it is inaccurate. Especially if this trailer matches up with it. which the first teaser did.I hope Luke has a good enough amount of screentime in VII. Even if he's going to be in the sequels more, I'd like him to have at least a couple of good scenes in this one.
Why? Luke only became a Jedi Knight in RotJ and by then he was the last Jedi in the galaxy.
I mean, it could go either way. Yoda didn't die until RotJ. But I'd prefer to see Luke go out in a big sacrifice at the end of Episode VIII.
I feel like there needs to be some explanation for the Force ghosts not appearing if that ends up being the case. They could always bring back Yoda as a ghost since he can just be CGI'd or puppetted, or Luke as a ghost in Ep IX if he dies. That leaves Qui-Gon (who canonically can't appear in physical form because he training was incomplete, and whose appearance would make no sense anyway since none of the characters know him), Obi-Wan (can't really do since Guinness is dead), and Anakin. If they don't include Anakin, whose legacy is still reverberating through the events of the new trilogy based on Ren's apparent reverence for Vader, it - to me anyway - would feel like a slap in the face, like they're saying "who cares about internal logic? People hate Hayden Christensen, so we can't tie things together!"
So if they don't appear, there has to be at least some reason for it, like they don't appear anymore because Luke no longer needs them. That would be fine. But if Ren really does practically worship Vader, it would make sense for Anakin's ghost to be trying to dissuade him.
Why would force ghosts be in this? They only appeared to Luke. Luke is basically not in this movie. No reason for a ghost.
I feel like there needs to be some explanation for the Force ghosts not appearing if that ends up being the case. They could always bring back Yoda as a ghost since he can just be CGI'd or puppetted, or Luke as a ghost in Ep IX if he dies. That leaves Qui-Gon (who canonically can't appear in physical form because he training was incomplete, and whose appearance would make no sense anyway since none of the characters know him), Obi-Wan (can't really do since Guinness is dead), and Anakin. If they don't include Anakin, whose legacy is still reverberating through the events of the new trilogy based on Ren's apparent reverence for Vader, it - to me anyway - would feel like a slap in the face, like they're saying "who cares about internal logic? People hate Hayden Christensen, so we can't tie things together!"
So if they don't appear, there has to be at least some reason for it, like they don't appear anymore because Luke no longer needs them. That would be fine. But if Ren really does practically worship Vader, it would make sense for Anakin's ghost to be trying to dissuade him.
If Luke dies it will be in the last movie. They have to be Jedi Masters before he dies.
Didn't Frank Oz say he's already onboard for Episode VIII?
You didn't really wait 30 years to see Luke. You waited about 3. Because nobody really thought a sequel trilogy was going to get made, at least not with enough surety to wait for it's existence.
But there's always Episode 8 - which will hit Summer 2017.
Wow, that's half the turn-around time of Lucas. Where did you hear that?
If Rebels is cannon (it is), then Ashoka would still be a living Jedi master. But the suits at the movie studios wouldn't let her become the focus because too many old-school folks would rage. Besides, couldn't force ghost do training? Most trials of becoming a Jedi are entering mystical caves ir swamps where the living force is concentrated.If Luke dies it will be in the last movie. They have to be Jedi Masters before he dies.
If that's true, I imagine it could be an incredibly great emotional scene. So I'm somewhat conflicted about his loss, but I think SW needs to evolve.Yeah, he dies. Kylo Ren kills him. He's also probably Han's son.
If Rebels is cannon (it is), then Ashoka would still be a living Jedi master. But the suits at the movie studios wouldn't let her become the focus because too many old-school folks would rage. Besides, couldn't force ghost do training? Most trials of becoming a Jedi are entering mystical caves ir swamps where the living force is concentrated.
Your assuming her species ages as ours, not a terrible assumption based on how quickly she matured from Clones to Rebels, but who knows. I hated her at first but those last two seasons of Clones made her a pillar of the SW universe and I want her to be the next Yoda (though not quite that great).she's like 16 when Anakin becomes vader. flashforward to current (in rebels, and she's about 30/31. +4 to hit ANH age, plus 30 more if she shows up in TFA. she will be a wise old Togruta.
(if Rebels doesn't kill her)
MSW has posted every rumor sent to him, including blatantly contradictory stuff more than once. If I sent in a rumor right now and namedropped a couple industry people that I actually know, it would be on the site tomorrow morning.
Just because MSW is sometimes right doesnt mean MSW is always right. It could be true, it could be trash.
she's like 16 when Anakin becomes vader. flashforward to current (in rebels, and she's about 30/31. +4 to hit ANH age, plus 30 more if she shows up in TFA. she will be a wise old Togruta.
(if Rebels doesn't kill her)
If they kill Ahsoka and Jar-Jar lives a full Gungan life, there are not words for that anger. But that would only confirm my other suspicion: Jar-Jar is the greatest force conduit ever but is constantly underestimated because he doesn't carry a light saber and trips over his tongue.Rebels gonna kill her.
Hmm, that could actually be pretty cool depending on how they handled it.
We would, of course, have to endure some degree of a shitstorm from "purist" irrational prequel haters if they were to include something like this.
EDIT: That didn't take long:
I wonder how many people are going to cry when Han dies?
If Rebels is cannon (it is), then Ashoka would still be a living Jedi master. But the suits at the movie studios wouldn't let her become the focus because too many old-school folks would rage. Besides, couldn't force ghost do training? Most trials of becoming a Jedi are entering mystical caves ir swamps where the living force is concentrated.
Why would Hayden should up as a ghost? Fuck that shit. lol
I don't think it makes sense in any universe.
Palpatine is impossible, since Sith can't learn to Force ghost. This was established in TCW. The Sith believe that death is an absolute, which is why they are so obsessed with finding how to obtain immortality in the physical sense.burgervan said:If any ghosts show up, I want Yoda or Palpatine.
Ahsoka isn't a Jedi. She left the Order and. This could actually work in her favor, as her not being a Jedi would let the story group work around Yoda telling Luke in RotJ that he will be the last Jedi upon his death.Dave Filoni has made the point that she now uses white lightsabers to distance herself from both the Jedi and the Sith
StarWars.com: I have a bit of a continuity challenge for you. In Return of the Jedi, Yoda tells Luke, When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be. But now he knows that Kanan and Ezra are out there. We obviously dont know at this point what will happen to them, but is that something youre aware of?
Dave Filoni: I dont see it as a challenge at all. Its what the Sith call an absolute. When Obi-Wan says to Luke, Your father was the greatest starfighter pilot in the galaxy, is that true? Or is that something you tell a kid because you want him to believe his father was great? It doesnt have to be empirical or absolutely true. Saying Luke is the last, is that a singular thing, or is he the last of a group? I dont know.
It definitely is something that comes up, and we discuss that moment all the time for what it could mean. It is possible to interpret it as, Luke is the last person thats following the path as laid out by the Jedi Order, which we knew. The way of the Jedi is not the only way to use the light side of the Force. Luke is taught by Obi-Wan and Yoda, who very much followed the dogma of the day. So, he is the last of that line for sure. Thats absolutely true. But you dont have to be a Jedi to use the Force. You dont have to be a Sith to use the dark side.
The opening sequence begins on the desert landscape, a dusty star destroyer crashed into the sand. Looks like its been there for many years.
Following cut, characters Rey and Finn and our favorite rolling robot BB-8 are making their way through a crowd in the fleamarket a very Tatooine-ish type of scenario.
Next, we have Rey looking through the trees, in a Yavin-like scenario, as TIE fighters fly overhead.
The next scene he told us about, were pilots running to their ships in their old-school style X-wing gear yeah orange!
Now it really starts to get interesting Towards the end of the trailer, from behind, we will see Han Solo, vest and all. Complete traditional garb, the way we remember his, as he sits down and re-acquaints himself with the cockpit of the Millennium Falcon.
As if this wasnt good enough brace yourselves because this last scene has not been described by any other website yet. As far as we know, this is an exclusive
This last scene shows a gloved hand pulling something out of a pile of ash. As it comes into the clear, it begins to take the shape of Vaders former helmet whats left of it. Heres the interesting part:
Remains of a skull still reside in the helmet.
Depends on how they handle it.
It might get teary eyed at the Falcon dying though.
A dude from Star Wars Underworld/That Hashtag Show has apparently seen the trailer.
https://youtu.be/VS4ntHja0Xo
When he dies I am going to have to hold my son. He loves Han.
This sounds better than anything we've heard. Hope its legit.
Thats good. I am kinda sad that they broke the tradition. I was even willing to wait the remaining extra months...It was officially announced at an investor's meeting recently, I believe. They're going back to the traditional May release for the main series after Force Awakens.
We became one with the force.
Given that a new trailer is going to drop next week, the associated thread will probably become the hangout for most TFA talk/speculation, with this one being more spoiler/rumor-centric.
Over/Under on that thread becoming a minefield of black bars? Page 5? 6?
Page 5 sounds about right - I'll take the under! Roughly 200-250 pages of reactions followed by things settling in and the speculations blooming.
Since many of us in here are "spoiled", I suppose we'll have to be careful with our comments and use black bars as necessary. I'm curious to see how the speculation by unsullied GAF members aligns with the rumors we've come across.
This sounds better than anything we've heard. Hope its legit.
I figure people are going to go in completely the wrong direction if they see the Vader helmet.
I like the sound of that, but why on Earth Isn't there any Luke or Leia?
I like the sound of that, but why on Earth Isn't there any Luke or Leia?
Because both are in the movie for like 15 mins.
Luke is in one, maybe two, scenes.
Ah, I haven't really kept up with all the news/rumors. What ever happened to speculation that Abrams wanted the story to have a greater focus on the original trio?
Because both are in the movie for like 15 mins.
Luke isn't getting anywhere near 15 minutes. More like less than 5 minutes, if that.Because both are in the movie for like 15 mins.