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Star Wars: In Production [Rumors/SPOILERS for All Films Past, Present, & Future]
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TheKaeptain
Banned
Or they could be showing that anyone can use a saber but only a Jedi can master it.
Yeah, that's a good point. I guess we'll just have to wait until 2017 to find out (or if MSW gets the shooting script beforehand).
By the way, the buildup to VIII won't be as secretive as TFA, right? I don't know how Rian Johnson treats spoilers and info, but he can't be as bad as JJ is with that stuff.
In my head, I've already imagined that moment.
Part anger, part fear, but just an overwhelming rush of emotion and a sense to fight for what's right, and it's not like she even knows how to or means to grab the lightsaber, but something in her force-pulls it into her hand. I'm fully expecting that moment to be the "fuck yeah!!!" moment of the film.
Still not convinced Finn will be force sensitive; what do we have to suggest that, at all? It's not like you have to be a Jedi to swing a lightsaber around.
I don't understand the incompetent criticism; where exactly is he incompetent? He gets bested by someone who knows what they're doing, but ultimately it seems Finn's arc is as much about doing what's right and being at peace with one's self as Rey's is.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It was Ed Speelers from Downton Abbey, Jesse Plemons from Friday Night Lights/Breaking Bad, Ray Fisher, some other British theater actor, and Boyega.
tiredheadcrab
Member
Wait is JJ referring to Ren as in the Group or is he referring to Kylo? Damn it.
Interview reads like he is referring to Kylo Ren.
Yeah I think they have made a big mistake pushing Finn as much as they have at least in the oh look lightsaber direction of advertising. If he doesn't become a jedi in 8 or 9 the backlash is going to be so massive. I expect a large wave of backlash anyways after 7 is out.
bodyofanamerican
Member
I honestly disagree. I think it's classic misdirection and if the audience likes Rey as much as they're banking on it, it's gonna work wonderfully.
Edit: Nodnol summed it up perfectly. If the Force theme plays when Finn is near death and the lightsaber flies to her hand and she holds her own against Kylo? That's going to be AWESOME, especially if she's denying her force sensitivity the entire film.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Rey ain't gonna be a Jedi at the end of this movie either, though.
She gets to visit Luke but that doesn't mean she might not fuck it up in Episode 8 while Finn makes moves across the galaxy.
People acting like Episode 7 is the only Star Wars movie we're getting. It's part of that old mentality regarding these movies where each one is a rare, beautiful butterfly that must be treasured because we never know if we're going to get another.
Nah. There's one of these a year comin every year till we fucking die. It ain't that precious. And there's plenty of time to flesh these stories out beyond the initial chapter we're getting in 3 weeks.
The hope is that it's so entertaining as a film that we won't be worried about checking these bullshit scoreboards for quite awhile anyway.
She gets to visit Luke but that doesn't mean she might not fuck it up in Episode 8 while Finn makes moves across the galaxy.
People acting like Episode 7 is the only Star Wars movie we're getting. It's part of that old mentality regarding these movies where each one is a rare, beautiful butterfly that must be treasured because we never know if we're going to get another.
Nah. There's one of these a year comin every year till we fucking die. It ain't that precious. And there's plenty of time to flesh these stories out beyond the initial chapter we're getting in 3 weeks.
The hope is that it's so entertaining as a film that we won't be worried about checking these bullshit scoreboards for quite awhile anyway.
TheKaeptain
Banned
I hope they never reboot and we just get a continued story forever. True saga shit.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
I think that is more likely for the forseeable future.
I don't see them trying to reboot this for a very, very long time.
Also, I kind of hope X-XII take a huge jump in time. Or significant enough.
And yeah, true saga shit. New generation of Skywalkers. The most important family in the galaxy.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Nah, they'll reboot. Freshen up the brand at about 50-60 years. Plus then they get to completely sidestep Fox if they want.
Unless they manage to buy out the distribution to Star Wars 77 in the meantime.
I don't think we'll ever see a reboot, at least not for a REALLY long time. The backlash over the old-EU was pretty big, can you imagine what it'd be like for the whole series? At most they'd do a huge time jump and start fresh with all new characters, and even that I can't see happening.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
I mean, they likely will reboot it eventually, but I'm betting they'll go ahead an at least do X-XII before that. But I don't see a reboot for a truly long time.
TheKaeptain
Banned
I want to be like 100 years old with my great grand kids standing in line waiting for the next Star Wars film starring the great great grand children of Luke Skywalker. And the first dude to bust out a lightsaber during the screening is getting called a fucking nerd by my old ass.
You'll be dead by then Bobby. Sorry for you dying in my future fantasy.
You'll be dead by then Bobby. Sorry for you dying in my future fantasy.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
Spiritreaver
Member
It's nice to see at least one other person write this up. Couldn't agree more.
Finn is already seeing a lot of growth in this film alone, more than most anyone in A New Hope. This is only the first of many more films, his character is only going to continue to grow. He's gonna be awesome.
All of this while we see Rey's journey, a strong heroine for kids to look up to. It's great.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
Only dumb dumbs would be on "camps" about this.
bodyofanamerican
Member
Do you have a read on what that would cost? More than the Lucasfilm purchase?
Huh, where did the Luke doesn't have lines come from? Is it confirmed? I really can't imagine JJ not giving Luke something to say. I mean the guy is basically living the dream of directing those characters, and I can't imagine him passing on the opportunity to give Luke some lines at the end.
The ending of the movie has Rey ascending the steps of Luke's hideout and delivering the lightsaber to Luke.
Traditionally, the final minutes of Star Wars films are completely wordless.
Ergo, he probably doesn't talk.
Yeah well that's the ending. But, and I think the spoiler board mentions it too, I imagine R2 decoding the message and Luke will appear as a hologram to Leia and Rey and the rest to reveal his location. Would be a nice callback to ANH etc. I just cannot imagine JJ giving absolutely no lines to Luke.
Kitschkraft
Member
Flow-Walker
Banned
There's no evidence of that. It's just speculation and hatched from people who hate the idea of Luke not really being in this movie.
That Spoilerboard basically takes the MSW information and puts their own stuff with it to make it sound more palpable to the "MSW is wrong!" crowd. At one point he had a completely fake third act in it that was nothing but Luke and he had to remove it.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I think this on the Freighter, when Han tells the kids to hide.
But Luke having no dialogue is also just speculation, right? I mean that's basically my question, the track list was revealed and now people assume Luke won't have lines? Because the way some posts have been written here made it seem it was confirmed.
Grover Cleveland
Member
We already knew that Luke would only have one scene at the end based off prior leaks.
The idea that he has no dialogue comes from the fact that all of the other ending scenes in the six movies so far were dialogueless. For all the harking back to the original movies that JJ seems to have done with TFA, that ending scene trope seems like a strange one to not echo as well.
Sorry. I've occasionally wandered into the wrong thread, happened with JJ, so I just wanted to make sure.
Either way, I thought consensus so far was that they don't really beat Kylo. I think the speculation in the spoilerboard was that he refuses to kill Rey and then just...falls down some precipice?
Either way, I thought consensus so far was that they don't really beat Kylo. I think the speculation in the spoilerboard was that he refuses to kill Rey and then just...falls down some precipice?
Except he's shown with R2 in the second trailer, so that's more than one scene if he also shows up at the end. Like it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't speak at the end, but with the flashback scene that's 100% in, Mark Hamill coming in to re-record old lines for the second trailer (might be related) I think Luke is gonna have at least a line in the film.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Whether fans like or dislike the movie is going to come down to whether the movie is well constructed and succeeds at telling the story it's trying to tell.
Anyone who dislikes the movie because their preferred character of choice doesn't play much of a role, or turns out not to live forever, isn't really watching the movie at that point. They're watching a scoreboard.
Anyone who dislikes the movie because their preferred character of choice doesn't play much of a role, or turns out not to live forever, isn't really watching the movie at that point. They're watching a scoreboard.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
20+ years later(from the first time I saw Star Wars) I still don't get the love for the Vader vs Obi-Wan fight.
Both characters come off badly in it.
Others are great but that really looks silly.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
Absolutely. What matters is whether it's good or not, not what happens in it.
My problem with what we know so far is they seem to be following A New Hope's formula way too much. Doesn't seem to be so original, which I guess is expected.
bengraven
Member
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It's not really A New Hope's formula, though. That formula is old as storytelling itself (which is why it worked so well in 77 when the most advanced SFX of that day were dropped on it).
Plus, the structure of the thing is Star Wars-ish, but it's also Empire and Jedi-ish. It's basically compressing the basic arc of the entire Original Trilogy into one film.
I don't mind plotting similarities, honestly. Plot's just there to get the characters to become the people they need to be. But the twists on convention need to be executed well. If these characters don't feel real, if the acting is flat, then the plotting is going to actively hurt the film as people start disengaging and looking at the exposed skeleton of the film not supporting the weight of the disappointment.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
Movies do that all the time though. I don't see it as a problem. To me it's all about how it's executed. If a movie is good enough, it will not make you think so much about it not being "original", unless you just want to focus on that.
And yeah, it's not really A New Hope formula.
bengraven
Member
I think it's just set up, since it's been 30 years since we've been in this story.
I think from the end of this on the story will diverge from the tropes greatly.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I think it'll become definitely its own thing in its own way, yeah. But no way it abandons all the trappings of Star Wars storytelling, which is VERY heavily indebted to (and reliant on) very familiar building blocks of mythology.
I hate the term "tropes" due to the way it's been misused over the years, but Star Wars movies are a damn trope greenhouse. It's one of the keys to the series' universality.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Oh, interesting. Is that series worth reading, only bought a few Leia issues.
on the subject of PT planets I really wouldn't mind seeing Naboo again in the new trilogy or spinoffs.
I actually find it a really interesting planet.(Government, ecosystem , etc)
Coruscant im expecting somewhere in the next 6 movies.
I think there's no way they go and spoil Luke's appearance via a hologram 3-4 minutes before they show him in the flesh. They've made you wait so long already - at that point, you can wait a little longer. Besides, it'll be more poignant that they end the film on his first appearance, not his second.
whiterabbit
Member
The names of the characters are kind of weird. Do we know Rey or Finn's full name?
Kitschkraft
Member
Both of their full names are purposefully being kept hidden.
Rey is likely Rey Skywalker. There is a slight, slight chance that she is not Luke's biological daughter but everything seems to be pointing that way.
Some have speculated that 'Finn' is not Finn's real name, but a nickname based off of his Stormtrooper number (FN-2187). TBH there has been less speculation about his family history, but he may have been adopted/stolen/enlisted into the First Order at a very early age, and therefore may not know his relatives. If this is true, he may possibly not even have a "real name". Regardless, he clearly calls himself that (Trailers), so that's what he's going to be known as throughout these movies.
FWIW, I personally don't think the names are weird myself. They seem "Star-warsy" enough *shrug* .
whiterabbit
Member
Yeah. Ok. I guess the names aren't bad. I like names like Qui Gon Jinn and Obi Wan Kenobi too.
Didn't realize Rey was likely a Skywalker...
Really pumped for this movie! The villain looks pretty cool too.
Didn't realize Rey was likely a Skywalker...
Really pumped for this movie! The villain looks pretty cool too.