Mega post incoming. As I'm catching up on a lot of stuff, I apologize if some of this has been covered or is now moot.
Firstly: RIP QuantumBro. As a *Bro bro, your death hits me hard. ;_;7
Secondly, I'm not really sure why, but I felt compelled to share a few (now old) notes. I will warn up front that they are incomplete, but I feel like the demonstrate the veritable insanity of this game.
This shows who voted and unvoted on whom, for night 3. If you see an (R), it means it was a retraction. I was trying to see who got piled on, and by whom.
This is also from night 3. The numbers show the order the votes happened in. Left side is who voted, right side is how. If the arrow points to an 'x', it means they unvoted but didn't immediately vote for someone else.
This is night 2. *sob*
If I were better at any sort of pattern recognition this might be more useful. I will also now reiterate that it is incomplete, as towards the end the votes were simply coming too fast for me to keep up with. So if you see something that didn't get counted on there, that's why.
Anyway, onward with day 4!
Damn that sucks. I still don't like how Palmer is still in this but whatever. Will have to vote someone else if no one else is going to vote Palmer.
I'm just curious if you have any reason beyond "gut feeling" for being this suspicious of Palmer at this point? I have to admit, I'm still a little suspicious of you and Zubz, but I myself don't have anything beyond "gut feeling" to go on.
Oh and @OceanicAir: Last day I thought his role claim seemed sincere.
But after some thinking there is good chance he is the Thief. Would explain why he has a shield.
I have to admit I was more than a little shocked that after gunning for OA for the majority of the game, when it came time to completely override, you went with Barrylocke. I know you've given your "he hasn't posted as much" reasoning somewhere, but that felt a little weak after being so vehement about OA all game.
Just noticed there is more to the message:
"Anyone who gets my message and dies on same day can send ME message next day // BLARG: Palmer is neutral"
Some sort of Force Spirit? I have to admit I find the fact that the messenger has gone to three different people, three different power roles no less, three different nights, very strange. Is it possible the role requires that they go somewhere different each time?
Hold off just a tad so we can get more input, but if you looked at any of these people I don't think there's a reason to hold back:
Redhood56
CzarTim
Zippedpinhead
Makai
I find it odd you included yourself in that list. I mean, wouldn't you know if you had visted or been visited? I wouldn't think you would need setre to tell you that.
I guess technically theres an outside chance he's not, but it's a very, very outside chance in my opinion. But he could be lying about 2 different things for 2 different reasons.
Well the Hutts have to know that there's a switcher out there. They went after Palmer and got TB instead, so there's no way they can't know. If two different thieves (why not, we had 2 armorers after all) targetted OA, is it possible you redirected one and the other still got him? Or would every single action targeted at him bounce?
The remaining options that we know of are the mystery messages or quantumbro. Since traube received a message, last night, im inclined to think quantum gave makai a shield or gun. A shield im not concerned about, but a gun is dangerous. Even if you assume he's town, we know that theres a thief who is probably immune, and id guess some ither nk-immune roles exist. Hes far likelier to kill a townie than a mafia.
How does everyone feel about Traube's move and claim? Anyone distrust him in particular?
If the visitor was QuantumBro, we can probably be assured it was a shield. I think QuantumBro realized after Day 2's mess that a gun would be more dangerous than useful.
As for traube, I'm inclined to agree. I think I have an idea of his 'recharge' condition, but obviously I have no way to know and wouldn't ask him to verify my idea.
As for Setre's report, one has to keep in mind that it only detects power roles; the Rebel Armorers probably would have triggered him, while the Undercover Imperials probably wouldn't. In my eyes, this means that Palmer or eJawa might be the remaining Undercover Imperial, or that Makai might not be an Ordinary Rebel
Why would setre seeing activity make you think they're the UI? The UI, at least from swamped's role reveal, has no night power that would trigger setre's ability. Am I missing something?
Yes Friendly Neighbor is the role, and one I considered. I have 2 problems with this: Why on Earth would this person choose Mak to reveal himself to last night? Of all the people in this game, why him? Why last night?
Is it possible we have a sleepwalker; one that leaves a trace? I mean, we had
two last game...
My role was smuggler and I had the ability to swap players during the night with the aim of disrupting deliveries from armourers.
My win condition was to either disrupt enough deliveries or to outlast the armourers, and they basically did my job for me.
Grats on escaping this insanity!
On night 1 I swapped myself and AbsoluteBro. No real ulterior motive it was mostly because I felt I was a target and chose a fairly nondescript player to hide behind.
... ya know what, I take it back. I hope a krayt dragon eats you on your way out.
Night 3 is the interesting one. I swapped myself and OceanicAir. My reasoning was that by now I was pretty sure I just had to outlive quantum so I'd use my skill to hide at night. Oceanic claimed to have a shield so I thought there was a high chance he would be targeted by the thief and mafia wouldn't waste a kill on him, so swapping us was win-win. The thief would fail to steal a shield and if they did try to kill me, then Oceanic would still be shielded.
I'm kind of curious of the wording of his "shield steal", if any exists.
I initially thought Johnny was saying the thief hit him last night, and I was trying to think if 2 thieves made sense. But 1 thief and a smuggler makes sense too.
Like I said somewhere above, we have 2 armorers, 2 cops (role and faction), and 2
sets of lovers/masons. At this point, I'm will to believe a lot of roles suddenly popping up.
The reason I wasn't in a rush was because Matt Attack and AbsolutBro have not posted in this day cycle yet.
Yeah, sorry about that. Especially after my trepidation of surviving. The last few days have been sort of insane.
Because we have an even number of players right now, it should not change our remaining mislynches.
But that said there is a possibility we could lose this game on day 6.
Doing the math here:
We have 18 players.
Johnny will escape tonight, leaving us with 17.
We will most likely lynch someone today, 16.
If the hutts kill TWE or Zubz, and they're telling the truth, both of them die. Leaving 14.
Assuming the worst, that the game started with 4 hutts and 2 Undercover Imperials, they currently have 5 Hutt-aligned left. They'd be in a pretty strong position. :-\ I think it most likely they'll kill 1 tonight (leaving 15), let us lynch (14) and then get the double kill in the night to clinch a win on their terms.
Re: a 3rd party killer. I honestly think that MattyG expected more blasters to go around, making a 3rd party killer almost unnecessary. I certainly don't think he expected an armorer to get detained right from the start.
A lot of the discussion on night 2 was based on protecting Worthy and Zubz. If (and I still think its a very outside chance) the thief did target me last night instead of them I would definitely question why?
All I can think is that the Rebels KNOW that Quantum gave out a shield to someone. They probably have as little information about who as we do. Random choice, based on them thinking Quantum would want to protect a vocal and so Rebel considered player maybe? Good a reason as any I suspect.
