phazedplasma
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Dont think too much about the first half of jedi, its not great.
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Dont think too much about the first half of jedi, its not great.
Well, I guess that's what I've been doing my whole life. After decades, this is the first time I noticed it.
WadiumArcadium
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Basically the main characters couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery. I liked Jabba's Palace though.
TangoAlphaLima
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I guess it was maybe a multi-tiered plan? Something like this:
1) Send in 3PO & R2 to negotiate Han's release, but go ahead and store Luke's saber inside R2, in case Plans 1 & 2 don't work. - Likelihood of success? Extremely low.
2) Send in Leia as Boushh with "captured" Chewie, Leia frees Han under the cover of night, then somehow manages to free Chewie, 3PO, and R2 as well? - Likelihood of success? Better, but still not good.
3) Send in the Jedi. - Likelihood of success? He's a Jedi, of course this will work...
Luke's prerecorded message for Jabba has him giving the droids as a gift. That was part of his plan. The rest I can see, maybe. Planning on R2 and 3PO being captured when the rest of the plan may or may not work just seems odd to me.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
This is great to hear.
Also, R2 has Lukes lightsaber hidden.
Strange plan
It is. Having the droids in place (well, just R2) could simply be a fall-back plan but I don't get why Luke couldn't just carry his own saber in. There must have been an assumption that he'd be caught. Very strange plan.
I doubt that's the point though. I'm sure Lucas just had these fun ideas for finally showing Jabba's palace, the rancor fight and the sarlacc and just had to figure out how to bring it all in.
Oh, alright, thanks, I guess I can sketch something out of this.
TangoAlphaLima
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Forgot about that. 3PO just thinks it's a negotiation, but then he's surprised by the message from R2 giving them as a gift to Jabba, right?
I dunno. Maybe the point of sending the droids in was so that R2 could scout the location and send info back to Luke & Leia?
That's seems possible. Nothing in the film indicates either way. That still seems weird though but I don't think the point is to scrutinize the finer details. It's just supposed to be fun.
What I also want to knew regarding the beginning of Jedi - where did Chewbacca go?
3PO says that "Lando and Chewbacca never returned from this awful place" but Chewie pitches up with Boushh later having been "captured".
Honestly, visually Jabba's palace is pretty cool but it was all a bit naff story wise. I never really liked much of Jedi.
3PO says that "Lando and Chewbacca never returned from this awful place" but Chewie pitches up with Boushh later having been "captured".
Honestly, visually Jabba's palace is pretty cool but it was all a bit naff story wise. I never really liked much of Jedi.
I wondered about Chewie too but 3PO could be referring to Tatooine in general even though the immediate context seems to imply Jabba's palace specifically.
It's in there. I just watched it yesterday.
WadiumArcadium
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Ok, thats strange. Really cant recall this, maybe its really altered.
Will grab the movie and look after it
The Journey to TFA book 'Moving Target' teased the Han rescue a bit.
I bet the post-TESB arc of the main Star Wars comic will explore the rescue.
Luke tells Leia that Lando and Chewie have been searching for Han, and find that he's been delivered to Jabba by Fett. Leia gets Mon Mothma's permission to rescue Han after she completes her mission. At the end of the book, Luke tells Leia that he has a plan, but it never explores the specifics.
I bet the post-TESB arc of the main Star Wars comic will explore the rescue.
This is touching: http://youtu.be/M_3xbcJBUxY
WadiumArcadium
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RETURN OF THE KING
If he dies we riot.
LegendofLex
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I always assumed they were trying to stack a proper rescue party in Jabba's Palace without getting any of their people killed. To do that, they'd need to infiltrate in the way that's least likely to arouse intense suspicion. Hence, the weirdly staged/phased events.
3PO clearly has no idea what's going on. He probably thinks Chewie is with Lando staging some part of the rescue operation, but instead he's getting "captured" by Boushh.
They left C3PO most likely misinformed because they thought if they look into the memory of one of the droids, it would be C3PO, because of his purposd.
I mean, why check a droid who only maintenaces spaceships. Also, they had to kept R2 informed, because he hid Lukes Lightsaber.
I mean, why check a droid who only maintenaces spaceships. Also, they had to kept R2 informed, because he hid Lukes Lightsaber.
Except Leia was not supposed to get caught. Which begs the question as to why they sent R2 and 3PO at all and how they planned to get them back out.
R2 had to carry the lightsaber. Luke doesnt even had a blaster when he went in.
R2 can take care of himself too. 3PO is really just a liability when it comes to the actual rescuing part.
LegendofLex
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I'm not so sure; the entire sail barge sequence seemed incredibly scripted on Luke's part, complete with R2-D2 recognizing he needed to get into position. I think he definitely expected to have to intervene, and probably also that Jabba would prefer to execute them in some dramatic fashion than kick off a fight in his palace. Hell, he might have known all along about Jabba's fascination with throwing people in pits and intended to exploit that very scenario.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3QVEyyBPKk
RETURN OF THE KING
Doctoglethorpe
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Okay, its not that complicated.
Plant Lando as a hidden asset for plan A. (And Plan B, hes basically the jail break card). Send R2 as a hidden asset for plan B, a weapon stash cause he doesnt know how far hell get before being searched or captured. C3PO is just used to get R2 in, otherwise hes basically worthless.
Plan B tecnically starts first with the hologram offer, but its just setting up a diplomatic relationship that wont matter until later.
Plan A: Leia gets in and saves Han, Lando sneaks them all out. This failed. Had it not, Luke might not of had to do anything, or he could have just assisted in them sneaking everyone out. Create a diversion perhaps. Doesnt matter though.
Plan B: Luke comes in for some good old jedi aggressive negotiation to free everyone. Bluff, bargin, force persuasion, theaten, etc. This also failed because the rancor trap was unexpected.
Plan C: Retreive lightsaber and kick butt. Success.
Plant Lando as a hidden asset for plan A. (And Plan B, hes basically the jail break card). Send R2 as a hidden asset for plan B, a weapon stash cause he doesnt know how far hell get before being searched or captured. C3PO is just used to get R2 in, otherwise hes basically worthless.
Plan B tecnically starts first with the hologram offer, but its just setting up a diplomatic relationship that wont matter until later.
Plan A: Leia gets in and saves Han, Lando sneaks them all out. This failed. Had it not, Luke might not of had to do anything, or he could have just assisted in them sneaking everyone out. Create a diversion perhaps. Doesnt matter though.
Plan B: Luke comes in for some good old jedi aggressive negotiation to free everyone. Bluff, bargin, force persuasion, theaten, etc. This also failed because the rancor trap was unexpected.
Plan C: Retreive lightsaber and kick butt. Success.
I want to go see F.A on midnight of the 16th or technically 12am Thursday 17th here in the U.K
My girlfriend (who hates Star Wars but is coming to see it) on the other hand said to me /reminded me
On the 16th
i have to be up 6am for work until 4:30pm, then travel home from work, then out to a gig we have tickets for at 7pm, which finishes at 10:30pm-10:45pm, then a hour travel home which would get me home just minutes before the midnight premier of Star Wars The Force Awakens.
So i have to compromise by seeing it once at 2:20pm on the 17th December.....
It's also showing 5:30pm and 8:40pm on the 17th, man i'd love to see all four showings on Day one
Anyone planning a midnight showing/multiple showings on day one?
My girlfriend (who hates Star Wars but is coming to see it) on the other hand said to me /reminded me
On the 16th
i have to be up 6am for work until 4:30pm, then travel home from work, then out to a gig we have tickets for at 7pm, which finishes at 10:30pm-10:45pm, then a hour travel home which would get me home just minutes before the midnight premier of Star Wars The Force Awakens.
So i have to compromise by seeing it once at 2:20pm on the 17th December.....
It's also showing 5:30pm and 8:40pm on the 17th, man i'd love to see all four showings on Day one
Anyone planning a midnight showing/multiple showings on day one?
Freezasaurus
Member
Nooooooooo. Being packed in a theater full of people like a sardine just once will be enough for me. I'll probably go see it again a few weeks after.
Doctoglethorpe
Member
Nope! Im seeing it sunday because if im gonna drag my gf along with me the least I could do is wait until she has a day off. I just have to go on an internet blackout for 3 days, im not worried! I can wait. Totally. No problem. Lemon squeezey.
*figits and twitches in barely contained anxiety*
WadiumArcadium
Member
I'm going on the 17th and I expect I'll go again at the weekend. There's so many showings I don't think it'll be that busy.
bonesmccoy
Banned
My wife and I got tickets to a 3D FakeMAX viewing on the 18th at 4pm.
To avoid spoilers though, I figure I'll have to disconnect from the internet completely by Dec 13th or so?
Maybe that's too late.
To avoid spoilers though, I figure I'll have to disconnect from the internet completely by Dec 13th or so?
Maybe that's too late.
This makes no sense for a movie like this. If you are seeing this opening night it is full of people who are beyond hyped for this not random moviegoers. They are going to keep their mouth shut and watch the movie.
Makes no sense if you are going to see it at the Drafthouse. They are fantastic when it comes to how people act in the theater.
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About to start Lost Stars. I know I'm LTTP, and this came our before Aftermath. Yet I read that first.
Will report back.
Will report back.
WadiumArcadium
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About to start Lost Stars. I know I'm LTTP, and this came our before Aftermath. Yet I read that first.
Will report back.
Enjoy! I liked Aftermath but I enjoyed Lost Stars a lot more.
bonesmccoy
Banned
I really, really tried to make it through Aftermath. In the end there was just a bit too much, I dunno, junk, in the way for me to really want to finish it.
Lost Stars is decent to good. It was cool to see how characters (mid to late book spoilers)
Lost Stars is decent to good. It was cool to see how characters (mid to late book spoilers)
deal with the destruction of Alderaan, and how well equipped the Rebels were.
Cross-Section
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I'm personally expecting a Marvel-level experience in December, aka tons of cheering at fan service, referential stuff, and big character moments, of which there'll probably be a decent amount of in TFA. It's not something that's bothered me in the past, but with it in mind, I can see where Sayers is coming from.
In any case, it's folly to be confident that movie-goers will be stone cold silent on opening weekend.
I'm not talking about the people who are excited to be there and love Star Wars. That's fine. I'm talking about the people that bring their kids and then don't make them behave. The people who feel the need to text and tweet throughout the movie. Those are the people I can't stand.
WadiumArcadium
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British cinemas always tend to be pretty quiet in my experience, even when they're packed. Applause and shouting would irritate the hell out of me.
This is really a america-only phenomen
(I am so happy about this)Poodlestrike
Banned
This is also true of live performances that are not punk bands, IME. Dreadfully boring.
WadiumArcadium
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Going to watch a film and see a band or a football game are at other ends of the spectrum. I don't go to watch a film because of the atmosphere. I just want to watch the film.
phazedplasma
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JimiNutz
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I'm doing a midnight showing on 16th. I return to the UK from 2 weeks in the Dominican Republic at 10am on the 16th so I'll be going home, taking a nap, and then heading straight to the cinema. I've got work next morning at 9am but fuck it, its Star Wars baby.
I'm then seeing it again at the BFI Imax on Boxing Day.