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Star Wars Outlaws director agrees the early instant-fail stealth missions are "incredibly punishing," patch coming in about 10 days
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Timberwolf25
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And that is how you take accountability. Acknowledge what you need to do better, have a plan to do it and then execute it.
Now go fix the character models face and I might play it when it eventually comes to GamePass
Hrk69
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cormack12
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Which notorious mission is this?
Is it the first imperial fort? Or the imperial space station? Because I managed both without much issue.
The fort was harder, but once I realised I could basically walk in the front door from the side and the stormtroopers didn't see me, it was simple.
The escape was harder.
Is it the first imperial fort? Or the imperial space station? Because I managed both without much issue.
The fort was harder, but once I realised I could basically walk in the front door from the side and the stormtroopers didn't see me, it was simple.
The escape was harder.
Camreezie
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This is very much the case for most Ubisoft titles in my opinion, there's also usually a 50% discount in 6 months to a year
Randall365
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I do wonder whether Ubi deleted some story content in this. Vess makes way more sense in the game as a lesbian and they left in the bit where she flirts with that female mechanic about there being space on her speeder for two.
I reckon that South Park episode fucked them up (put a chick in it and make her gay) and they had to cut 90% of it.
I reckon that South Park episode fucked them up (put a chick in it and make her gay) and they had to cut 90% of it.
StereoVsn
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Yep, come back in a year and see if it’s worth $20-30 then.
Bernardougf
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And mods that changes gollum to a normal woman
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yes, leading with insta fail stealth missions, especially before you have any of the abilities or equipment that helps stealthing, was bad game design.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
As much as shit the game has, Im actually agains this if they nerf the already dumb AI or make it easier. Modern gamers have the attention span and the patience of a toddler that they can't wait for 10 seconds for a patrol to pass to reach an area thats incredibly easy to reach? Fucking lmao
semiconscious
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i pretty much agree. sure, a checkpoint or 2 would be fine. but what the game really needs, at the very beginning, is a show & tell nix guide. nix pretty much fixes the game's stealth gameplay, imo...
Lagspike_exe
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This game had the "Buy at $20 sale after a year and enough patches" written all over it.
Majima Everywhere System
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They will certainly patch out 50% of the price.
Unknown Soldier
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Ubisoft uses a proprietary engine, it's not like a UE game where you put a file in a folder and the game is modded
StreetsofBeige
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Sounds boring as hell, then again I dont like stealth games and actually agree if you fail sleuthing around getting caught it should be an instant fail.
As for fixes, it makes sense some of the quirks I saw should be fixed like the video I saw Vess choking a guard, but still instant fail. Game logic screwed up. It should be the guard alerts others and then make it insta-fail. A guard cant call for help if he's being strangled in isolation.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The game is a weird mix.
Some stealth missions are insta fail, some are ok for guns blazing if you get caught and in some you start as insta stealth but after some arbitrary point Key just goes 'ok I can kill shit now'.
StreetsofBeige
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Is there any kind of logic to it?
Like guns a blazing is due to just 20 enemies coming after you (with nothing else to consider)? And insta-fails are due to another factor like if you get caught the plot means a guard presses a button and kills a hostage, so you failed or something like that.
Or is it completely random trial and error what is what?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No no, sorry maybe I didn't explain properly.
There are some missions and regions where it's an insta-fail if you get caught, you are either transported out of the stronghold if free-roaming, or if its in the middle of a mission, it's like dying and you restart check-point.
There are some scenarios more closer to what we see in games like Deus Ex where stealth is encouraged but if you get caught, it's not a mission fail and you can blaze through the rest of it.
And there has been at least one or two mission that start off like an instant fail on getting spotted, but after you go through a story checkpoint or two, your character just goes 'alright i think i'm safe to fight now', and from that point onward in that mission, you are free to get into open conflict.
The main issue, that even the director agrees with, is that you're given a couple of instant-fail stealth missions at the very start after finishing the prologue and they feel a little too unfair because that early in the game you have none of the equipment that you can get later that makes it easier to stealth around, disguises etc. So it hits extra hard when the game leads with those kind of instant fail missions.
There's also some other QoL things lacking like you can't hide bodies you've knocked out, so they might get spotted by other patrolling guards.
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TerribleAtThisGame
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It mostly guarantees a better game at a lower price by now. I just got fucked even with an Indie game Day 1 once again. Done with that shit.
Reizo Ryuu
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I don't really believe this, but ubi has always tried to put a lot of options in the games so everyone can enjoy it, so now they are going to adjust it since people seem to be struggling with it.
It wasn't that hard for me personally, haven't been caught once, so I don't even know what the fail state looks like, but with such a wide demographic they are trying to reach with this game, they probably didn't expect that a large enough group would approach and experience it in such a way that would warrant adjusting.
It wasn't that hard for me personally, haven't been caught once, so I don't even know what the fail state looks like, but with such a wide demographic they are trying to reach with this game, they probably didn't expect that a large enough group would approach and experience it in such a way that would warrant adjusting.
BbMajor7th
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Why pay playtesters to flag this when customers will happily pay to figure it out for you instead?
havoc00
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Thats the most frustrating part
salva
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I'm shelving Outlaws for a few months. I got up to Toshara when it opened up a bit. But after only a few hours everything felt really repetitive and clunky. I wanted this to be an open world i could get lost in, but it's too broken to make me feel immersed. My extremely unpopular opinion is that Starfield gives you that immersible space exploitation feeling 10000000 times better than this, despite it's own flaws.
I'd gladly come back to this, but perhaps i'll wait it out and see what they're able to patch in ~6 months or so.
I'd gladly come back to this, but perhaps i'll wait it out and see what they're able to patch in ~6 months or so.
StereoVsn
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And it should have been obvious to the dev team. And get now they are making surprised pikachu faces. Wouldn’t it make sense to do this right in the first place?
ClosBSAS
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Seriously. The stealth is absolute crap. Makes me hate the game. No lightsabers, no force ina star wars game...so annoying already and on top of that, a badly designed stealth game woth instant fail...hahahhaa
genesisblock
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It clear Ubisoft does not do proper playtesting but focus testing instead. They difference in the latter is when players are engaged in that particular feature(s) and they build a game around it instead of observing how the play and adjust until they get the right mechanics to their intended design.
March Climber
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And this is why you will never...
see another Splinter Cell game in the non-Conviction style.
see another Splinter Cell game in the non-Conviction style.
digital_ghost
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If ubisoft made elden ring they would have to patch the whole game.
Ubieasy.
Ubieasy.
MatrixReloaded101
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Sticking to the plan of picking this up during a sale. Very few games are worth buying day one for crap like this.
lockdown2222
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Serious question, from reviews and early opinions they said stealth was more of a joke but it seemed easy or barely a mechanic. Is the instant fail a particular mission affecting bug or part of the whole easy stealth mechanic issue? I want to play this but it just seems like it’s typical ubitrash of the last decade
FinalBossWithTheMostPower
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Instafail missions make sense never.
Narratively the story may call for it, but give me a way to skip it...
Especially when you know your stealth mechanics aren't well-defined .
Sadly, I almost didn't make it to where Toshara opens up due to these intro missions.
Would've been a shame, too, cause it's starting to get good.
Narratively the story may call for it, but give me a way to skip it...
Especially when you know your stealth mechanics aren't well-defined .
Sadly, I almost didn't make it to where Toshara opens up due to these intro missions.
Would've been a shame, too, cause it's starting to get good.
LavitzSlambert
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Have any of the decision makers at this studio ever played a video game before? I can't accept that these are happening in 2024. With all the time and money going into making these games, there is no way these segments didn't pass through multiple phases of storyboarding, playtests, and management approvals. They don't have the right people in management, or everyone involved is asleep at the wheel.
Crystal Winters
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March Climber
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The biggest thing I’ve heard from gameplay impressions is that the stealth is too inconsistent. Some guards are blind and dumb. Others have superhuman sight and will spot you at the oddest angles and furthest distances.Serious question, from reviews and early opinions they said stealth was more of a joke but it seemed easy or barely a mechanic. Is the instant fail a particular mission affecting bug or part of the whole easy stealth mechanic issue? I want to play this but it just seems like it’s typical ubitrash of the last decade
It sounds like instead of taking the time to fix the AI, they are simply removing the fail state. A funny side effect could be alerts and random enemies seen during cutscene moments.
lockdown2222
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Thank you for that. I’m not sure if that still encourages me to try it on sale after that lol.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
Nah, you can tell the director and most ppl here havent played the game. The insta fail stuff is in the factions bases, they kick you out which is perfectly normal if u get caught and its really not that hard to avoid it. Outside of that, I think there were 2 missions with insta fail in the first hour and thats it. There hasnt been any mandatory stealth missions ever since, even tho its preferred.
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Cyberpunkd
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Not if you advertise the game as a stealth game, which this game very heavily is. However stealth games do not sell, so I understand why they lied lol.
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