Star Wars Outlaws runs "pretty poorly" on the Switch 2 [Update] GWG: "I was wrong"
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Mr Hyde
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This narrative that Switch 2 is PS4 level, or even slightly below, needs to stop. It's been shown consistently to be closer to Series S than PS4.
kat_on_the_roof
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That's not my narrative. I'm not that interested in hardware, and I read that somewhere. As far as I'm concerned, the Switch 2 could be a bit better.
My point was that you can't expect miracles from the Switch 2 if the ported games in question don't run well on the PS5.
Please don't drag me into a hardware debate.
Mr Hyde
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If you don't want to be dragged in to a hardware debate then I suggest you research before opening your mouth with your uniformed opinion.
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PeteBull
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SW:O is current gen very demanding big budget game(not saying high quality, talking stricktly about graphics here), so ofc its extremly demanding, very curious how much its gonna get downgraded on switch2 and if even that will allow for mostly 30fps stable framerate or we gonna get prolonged dips to or even below 25fps in gameplay, i guess DF vid gonna happen soon so it will all be clear.
As a side note from quick yt comparisions/ screenies switch2 version looks and runs way better than old and weak af steamdeck
As a side note from quick yt comparisions/ screenies switch2 version looks and runs way better than old and weak af steamdeck
kat_on_the_roof
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No information is lost when you say things nicely
Mozza
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Yes people on here are using poorly optimised games to suggest PS4 level performance. When in reality the Cyberpunk port DLC would not run on a PS4. The Switch 2 is somewhere between PS4 Pro and Series S.
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tkscz
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Honestly looks like it's running better on SW2 than most of the other handhelds
Also he had to use frame gen to get them to run as well. Switch 2 doesn't have any frame gen.
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Fake
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Baemono
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Indeed.
It's 3Tflops with DLSS on docked and 1.5 on porthble mode, with a last-gen level CPU. The Series S has a more powerful CPU than PS5 and is a 4Tflop machine. So that summerises pretty much the force and weakness of both machines
rodrigolfp
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Not really if it is indeed using some settings lower than the lowest on other handhelds.
ecosse_011172
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Did you watch the PS5 side by side comparison video above?
rodrigolfp
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kevboard
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it never shows to be closer to Series S than PS4, it's literally the other way around in every game ever tested.
Street Fighter 6: ⅓ resolution of Series S, 30fps story mode fights (just like on PS4) vs 60fps on Series S.
Cyberpunk: ½ framerate at similar resolution than Series S, some settings below PS4 (shadows for example), some higher than PS4... all below Series S. the only similarity to Series S here is that it got the DLC. otherwise it's putting out less than 50% the perfomance both in framerate and/or settings.
Fortnite: 1080p 60fps with no Lumen GI and no Nanite, vs Series S with Lumen GI and Nanite + a 120fps option. ergo, very similar to PS4, no similarity with Series S.
Hogwarts Legacy: based on the PS4 version with slight improvements. completely different assets to Series S... again not comparable to Series S in any way.
Apex Legends: 1080p 60fps, which is closer to the unstable 1080p 60fps PS4 version than the Series S version that offers a 120fps mode and uses higher settings.
not a single game tested is closer to Series S than PS4.
the Switch 2 version is consistently either showing last gen settings like in Hogwarts and Fortnite, or showing half the perfomance of the Series S... sometimes both like in Fortnite, where it depends on which mode you use on Series S.
Half the performance of a Series S is the equivalent of a system slightly faster than a PS4. and that's exactly where the Switch 2 lands... it's slightly faster than a PS4, and has modern GPU features to punch above its weight in some aspect (but not others).
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ecosse_011172
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And you think the Switch 2 version is running with lower settings than on Steamdeck?
Topher
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Pretty much every first party game gets this kind of stuff (see Ghost of Yotei threads of late) so I agree, Switch 2 games gets it as well. I was really just taking up the point that this game shouldn't be scrutinized because Outlaws wasn't considered a "good" game by many. Just don't agree with that.
ecosse_011172
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Nah, Ghost of Yotei gets shitloads of hate because it has an "ugly lesbian woke activist" (or whatever) as the main character.
Your point that it shouldn't be scrutinised is fair, my point that it should be scrutinised when finished also is
rodrigolfp
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Some looks like, yes. Just like CP 2077, Hogwarts.
ecosse_011172
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Can you give an example from the videos in this thread?
P:axMagellanic
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Digital Foundry, who have more technical knowledge in their average dump than thetrollsexperts ITT, found that the Switch 2 was excellently designed, incredible efficient and were generally very impressed.
So, the "shit hardware" stuff is boring and dumb.
Digital foundry staff are all forum retards.
ecosse_011172
Banned
Could you explain please?
Topher
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Nah, Ghost of Yotei gets shitloads of hate because it has an "ugly lesbian woke activist" (or whatever) as the main character.
Your point that it shouldn't be scrutinised is fair, my point that it should be scrutinised when finished also is
The graphical criticism is seperate from the "woke" nonsense. In either case, yeah....pointing out what folks are looking at is unfinished versions of the games is a better argument.
ecosse_011172
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rodrigolfp
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Lighting looks different for example. Could be different ToD though...
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Baemono
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This is a perfect explanation and should end the debate once for all (but won't unfortunately).
blacktout
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Yeah, every Switch 2 thread is full of accounts posting one sentence drive-by comments. It's happening on the PS5 side too. The First Light State of Play thread is like 90% baiting and bitching and 10% people who actually want to talk about the game. GAF seems even more ornery than usual lately. Price hikes and the heat death of platform exclusivity seem to have done lasting psychological damage.
That said, I think that some of the posts in this and other threads dunking on journalists for reporting on the poor performance of games are pretty silly too. Yes, sure, they're playing unfinished builds, but they can only report on the experience they had, not on the experience that a hypothetical player might have with the finished game in the future. Many of these reports have been coming from fan outlets too (like Nintendo Life and GVG*), so they have no incentive to make the platform look bad. If a game isn't running great in early demos, it's valuable for the public to know that, if only because it provides more incentive for the developers to fix it before release instead of hoping uninformed customers buy a bunch of copies before news of performance issues spread.
* GVG is too resetera-brained for me to stomach their content, but they're basically a Nintendo fan channel and not a ragebait clickfarm channel.
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ecosse_011172
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It is a different ToD.
I'd like to see a clip where you can see Switch 2 settings seeming lower than Steamdeck (as you claim).
I'm not seeing it here.
rodrigolfp
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I am looking at the handheld footage.
Toots
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In any case, Fanboy nonsense is infinitely more entertaining than holier-than-thou posturing.
ecosse_011172
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I'm still waiting on that link..
ecosse_011172
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Lokaum D+
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why you are so defensive about the subject ?
game clearly looks like shit and runs like shit ( sub30fps ), it may not look that way to you, maybe because you are accustomed playing games on low end hardware, it may look/run better than the SteamDeck , but just because the game doesn't look/runs bad for you it doesn't mean that by today standards it doesn't look like hot garbage.
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tkscz
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Not seeing what you're seeing like at all. The very video I quoted before shows it running on the steam deck at 15fps at it's lowest settings while not looking that different outside of time of day making it very red. While the other versions run better than the Steam Deck version, they still ran on average below 30fps, especially when in the open areas. Maybe what you're seeing is time of day making it so red and making the lighting look off? We'd need to find off camera footage of the same time of day to do a direct comparison of lighting and textures. Also a better angle of the Switch 2, not sure why the guy doesn't have the kick stand out.
I'll give you the cutscenes in handheld are rough, though that looks to be DLSS related. Lighting and mouth movements are off.
Let's not use handheld vs dock footage, doesn't seem all that fair.
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sloppyjoe_gamer
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The reality of the situation is.....if they are able to get the performance worked out, the game itself still is classic ubisoft jank. I played the PS5 version for about 5-10hrs before there was just so much shit going on (go here, go there, constant popups, etc...) that it just became overwhelming and everytime id play id end up just running around in circles because it was confusing. The game looked quite good at times on PS5 but other times it looked like a PS2 game in random areas.....it was too ambitious and the dev team lost their focus.
ecosse_011172
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Someone says something that seems to be incorrect and I ask them politely to show how they are correct.
Why do you have a problem with this?
Deerock71
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Honestly, the Steam Deck version is how I thought the Switch 2 version was going to look prior to seeing it for myself.
Lokaum D+
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i have no problem, he proving or not proving ll not change the fact that it looks awful on handheld mode
every time he turn the camera game goes into vaseline mode, look at 9:44 and tell me that this doesnt look like trash
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Mr Hyde
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Everyone of those games you mention is vastly superior than its PS4 counterpart and lies closer to new gen consoles, especially Series S, than last gen, if you look at comparisons between them. Apex Legends in particular is very impressive but of course you have to downplay it by calling it closer to "PS4 unstable 1080p and 60fps". Just because framerate is slashed in half doesn't mean it compares to PS4. And I don't see PS4 getting new gen games like Indiana, Cronos, Star wars Outlaws and expansions like Phantom Liberty. But of course you gonna find a way to downplay that too when they arrive.
Kacho
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The guy in video say it runs fine in handheld mode like it does docked mode.
kevboard
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that is objectively incorrect.
it is. the settings are closer and it lacks a 120fps mode. it's objectively closer in features to the PS4 version
it does exactly that. what console is roughly half as powerful as the Seires S? the PS4. it's slightly less than half as powerful in most aspects.
while the Switch is is nearly exactly half as powerful, maybe also slightly less than half.
so very similar.
which is why I said it's PS4 performance with modern features.
if there was a way to install a raytracing and ML expansion cart into the PS4, it would be in the same ballpark of performance as the Switch 2.
the Switch 2 is best summarised as PS4 performance + RT acceleration + ML acceleration.
rodrigolfp
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Yeah, maybe. That footage is very low quality/bad anglo to judge things like textures, shadows, geometry...
ecosse_011172
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Someone says something that seems to be incorrect and I ask them politely to show how they are correct.
Why do you have a problem with this?
Baemono
Gold Member
But you can argue a later 120fps mode (or more likely an unlocked framerate option) might come with a later patch, like it didn't come on other consoles before last year I believe.
notseqi
Gold Member
It's visibly under 30 fps most of the time. Your standards for "fine" seems quite low
Lokaum D+
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thats why i said it LOOKS awful on handheld mode, look at the UI getting blurry every time he moves the camera. He also said that he didnt got to more demanding planets were is volumetric fog, light or he didnt entered any heavy combat, from that video performance seens 30fps, its not fine performance imo, but everyone has a different lvl of tolerance for that, for me 30fps is running like shit.
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Kacho
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Yeah, for sure everyone has different standards. It's all subjective. You and I wouldn't be ok with sub-30fps performance and the IQ is indeed dreadful.
However, I think a good chunk of Switch users have lower standards in general. Either because they don't know any better, or because they actively have to for AAA handheld gaming.
I've seen plenty say Ace Combat 7 is fine on Switch, but whenever I see footage I wince.
ecosse_011172
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Do you expect a hybrid running in handheld mode on an infamously poorly optimised game to run at 60fps?
Also, plenty of games feel fine at 30fps, plenty do not.
Mr Hyde
Gold Member
No it's not.
You look at it very black and white. Switch 2 is a hybrid console that also works as a handheld and has to operate within those constraints, and by that very comparison, it smokes the PS4 and vastly outperforms it. S2 has positioned itself closer to new gen by demonstrating that it can not only run PS4 games at higher settings and more stable framerates, but that it also already has its fair share of new gen games that PS4 can not run. You are only looking at numbers and go like "oh, S2 only half framerate of Series S so not comparable."
This is complete horseshit and you know it.