I don't expect Disney to start taking drastic chances with the franchise until they make back the 4 billion they paid for it. And even then, I expect them to play it safe until they hit the point of diminishing returns.
Star Wars: Rogue One Story Trailer
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I don't expect Disney to start taking drastic chances with the franchise until they make back the 4 billion they paid for it. And even then, I expect them to play it safe until they hit the point of diminishing returns.
Maybe the logic is 7-8-9 = focusing on the new cast and spinoffs =exploring the more popular icons of the SW mythos.
The SW brand may be huge, but it's possible that Disney isn't comfortable yet with spending hundreds of millions on completely new characters and locations.
Many people? I get that TFA borrowed from the OT, but bland? TFA did so many new things that aren't so obvious initially. I've seen in almost 10 times now and love it more with each viewing. Didn't even really like it much the first time. It really grows on you. There are so many things they've done with the new characters and their interactions that bring a less obvious freshness to the franchise and it pains me that some people aren't willing to give it another shot.
You really don't feel like the story wasn't taken somewhere new? There's a female lead who survives on her own and meets up with a black fugitive ex-stormtrooper against the son/murderer of Han Solo, who struggles with the LIGHT side instead of the dark, basically the inverse of Anakin Skywalker, whose choice to murder his own family will most likely send him down a non-returnable path of darkness. Sounds quite a bit different from any other SW film I've seen..
bonesmccoy
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'Give me something new' they all demanded
And lo, I gave them the prequels
And lo, I gave them the prequels
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Cassian Andor looks like he is crushing hard on Jyn.
Preach.
It gets better with every viewing for me as well. At first I liked it. Now I love it. Gladly bought the Blu Ray; seen it several times. There's a lot of freshness in there, partially obscured by the big beats often ringing rather similarly.
I'm okay with it because we finally escaped the dark age that was everything revolving around the prequel trilogy era
Yeah, man.
Bringing up the protagonist's different races and genders in discussion of how the movies stand apart on a structural and narrative level isn't really arguing against my point, man. To the contrary, it just gives off the impression that using those surface level distinctions (one of the main characters is a woman! one is black!) as a means of presenting the two films as entirely different beasts, when really they're very much the same.
Look, I like Star Wars, you like Star Wars, we both had different feelings on The Force Awakens but with a little luck, we'll both really like this. I'm hoping this will finally be the film that gets me back into the franchise after the relative very personal disappointment of Episode 7. So fingers crossed!.
They made 1B on Force Friday... just on Force Friday. It's safe to say they've most likely made their money back, if not now, by Rogue One's run they will have.
My hope is they've made so much money and garnered such good will... do something that takes place away from these characters. They're just shrinking the universe. Give me some Old Republic.
Whaaa? Bobby's gone? What happened?
And I don't know where people are getting the idea that Disney is hands-on with Star Wars. Everyone working in or with Lucasfilm has said otherwise. Marvel and Pixar also say that Disney pretty much lets them do what they want. In fact, Disney's hands-off approach to their properties is arguably the reason why their movies have done so well critically and commercially over the past several years. Warner Bros could learn a thing or two.
People keep saying "Disney" is playing it safe with Star Wars. No, it's almost certainly Lucasfilm that's doing that.
To be fair, they did bring up narrative and structural differences too. Those differences would still be there regardless.
Not to say there aren"t big similarities of course, but eh.
Anyway, as to not derail - think the film looks pretty good, some corny dialogue aside.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Yeah, I'm flip flopping between excited and how you feel.
Fancy Clown
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Visuals look really good, but those lines tho...I'm hoping this isn't a repeat of Godzilla.
Those differences largely being "the main character have different occupations this time around, and in this film antagonist (who dresses similar to Vader) is fighting off temptation from the light side of the force, just a few films earlier than Vader did".
Like, I understand his point, but if you put lipstick on a womp rat, it's still a womp rat. On a structural and narrative level, the film's are very, very similar.
Anyway, I don't want to derail this thread any more!
Forrest Whittaker looks good in this!
I'm not saying it was a driving point, their race and gender, just that those things are additions to an already vastly different narrative (the main points I made that you glazed over) than we've seen in previous SW films. And.. thanks for the google link I guess (I'm well aware of the criticism as I was here before and after the time of release) but vocal minorities aren't indicative of how well received (take a look at the critic and fan scores for RT) the movie was from both critics and fans. I'm not saying those aren't valid criticisms, but SO MANY people with this mentality immediately recognize the obvious similarities between EP7 and ANH without recognizing the deeper, more meaningful differences between TFA and previous entries.
People are so quick to jump on the "it's ANH remake" while abandoning critical thinking completely. There are so many differences that aren't exactly going to slap you in the face.. but many won't allow themselves another chance to recognize them.
In addition, JJ already was paying homage to ANH, he's stated that from the beginning and throughout production. 4 minutes out of a 2.25 hour movie can make any two films look like they are 1:1 copies (and my God, some instances are really reaching). I agree there are a LOT of similarities, as intended, and that there were instances where it was way too on the nose (trench run for example), but when I watch TFA, not ONCE do I think about ANH because a lot of the differences I mentioned above become the main focus for the viewer on repeat viewings (after the initial recognition of surface similarities). It's like your post is a greatest hits of shallow/surface criticisms over the last year.
There were no known Jedi/force sensitives at the time. The only two remaining Jedi (Yoda and Obi-Wan) were in hiding, the rest is all lost to time until Obi-Wan starts Luke's training.
Melkezadek
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I guess the concern I have for the film is "What will this movie add to the overall universe?"
I don't really doubt that I'll enjoy the film, but I question if this movie will fill any real important holes. Could be wrong, though.
I don't really doubt that I'll enjoy the film, but I question if this movie will fill any real important holes. Could be wrong, though.
I don't think it will anything significant to the universe overall. It's more of a "tell-all" thing.
How much before ANH does this take place?
A few weeks
I assume the entire team is going to get wiped out.
Isn't there a time skip with Forest Whitaker looking a few decades older?
WadiumArcadium
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I don't think it really needs to fill in any important gaps. It's a small snapshot of history with a new group of characters. We know how the mission ends, finding out how they pull it off will be the fun part.
jstevenson
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1 billion at retail does not mean 1 billion into Lucasfilm's coffers.
I doubt they've made the four billion back just yet (the outlay they have going is probably insane). But there is no doubt they will within another movie or two. And then it's all gravy
We're going to have to agree to disagree big time on this. Regardless, I admire your passion for the film and that you came to enjoy the movie as much as you did. As for myself, I found it a far less satisfying experience overall, but that certainly wasn't as a result of not giving it a chance.. As a die-hard Star Wars fan, believe me when I say I really wanted to like the film but unfortunately that just didn't turn out to be the case. Although like I said, I hope Rogue One will prove to be something of a different story.
They're all dead or in hiding.
SuperStiltzkin
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Does it really need to add anything? It's a part of the series history that is being shown. We have characters and technology and events that we've never seen before. That's enough for me. I don't need any shocking revelations where they are all related somehow to Finn or Rey or any other characters.
Melkezadek
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I guess concern might have been too strong a word. I think I mean it's why I'm not as excited to see it as other Star Wars movies. I know I'm going to enjoy it though. It looks rad, regardless.
Gordon Shumway
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I love this shot.
I know it probably isn't but it looks like actual models instead of CGI.
Kinda looks like it's carved out of ivory..pretty dope.
Depends on who you ask, I don't know what the final numbers were, but merchandising alone was expected to pull in $3-5B in 2015. I don't know where the final tally came in (and that's without Ep7's box office)
Jack Scofield
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I wish they had saved that Admiral to be a main antagonist in Episodes 7-9. He looks like an imposing villain, much more so than whoever Domhall Gleeson played.
Agreed, we can agree to disagree (please reread the post you quoted as I updated it with more text), but can I ask how many times you've seen the film? Have you looked into the deeper interactions between the main characters and what they've set up for the next films? TFA has so much to offer (even as a stand alone movie without theorizing/future episodes) and I feel like so many people are too quick to make knee jerk reactions about the vast majority of what's actually on screen.
I think people would be surprised to see what's offered if they're willing to let go of their surface criticisms, which is where a lot of their complaints lie.
Hitler, you mean?
Sapiens
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Rey seemed like one of those more common types that would have been up to sleeping with John Goodman's King Ralph to perpetuate the royal family before we all found out that Peter O'Toole had some of the old royal blood in him.
Do you think they have a bowling alley in the Death Star? To amuse the troops?
I admittedly only saw the film once in the cinema at the time of it's release. If I get the chance to rewatch it, I'll let you know if I come to re-assess my opinion if it! Perhaps it's something I'll get around to in anticipation for watching Rogue One later down the road.
from what I've read, yeah there will be a bit of a time skip in there somehow. But I don't think anyone knows really how much of the film that is. Just a flashback? Or what exactly?
The main thrust of the film will be the mission to steal the Death Star plans a couple weeks before we see Leia give them to R2D2 to give to Obi Wan at the beginning of A New Hope.
Please do. If you are a hardcore SW fan, you owe it to yourself to watch it 1-2 more times. Kylo Ren is an incredibly deep and well realized villain, to start. There are so many nuanced expressions, interactions, and moments of character development that you'll never pick up on with one or two viewings. I'm still picking up some of them with rewatches.
For example, the relationship between Rey and BB-8. I never realized that her first meeting with him is a direct reflection of her own experiences on Jakku.. both are lost/abandoned and share similarities with each other that allow their relationship to grow. "Where do you come from" is essentially Rey looking into a mirror and asking herself the same question. This is also the reason why she can't bring herself to sell BB-8; she seems so much of herself in him (subconsciously) which keeps her from abandoning the little guy. These examples only scratch the surface of the brilliance that was overlooked by rabid fans picking apart each frame to create ANH comparison videos.
Another example is all of Han/Kylo's interactions on the bridge scene. So much is overlooked. The fading of light over the entire scene reflects Kylo abandoning the light side and solidifying his bleak future. The score, which begins with a sweet, innocent tone (reflecting Kylo's remaining love for his family and inner struggle) and finishes with a relentless/intense climax as the scene builds toward Ren murdering Han.
I could go on and on. Brilliantly crafted character development considering the pacing of the film.
Scorpion Soldier
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HanzSnubSnub
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I'm not even a huge Star Wars fan (I've only seen The Force Awakens), but that trailer looked incredible!
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