Alex
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MMOs tend to see the most benefit out of them from games, though, by far.
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Star Wars: The Old Republic [Early Access: December 13th] Thread 2
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MMOs tend to see the most benefit out of them from games, though, by far.
SSDs are incredibly faster in terms of random writes. Even without any queuing, you're looking at 20MB/s versus <0.5MB/s on an HDD.
The random reads required by most MMOs and open world games are where SSDs shine. When I load up World of Warcraft in Stormwind on my HDD, it takes 5-10 seconds for other player models to load in. On an SSD, it's <1 second.
In LOTRO, I greatly reduced stuttering when loading areas by moving it to the SSD.
Gunmonkey36
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Depends when you entered your pre order code. First day of early access is December 15
What is this dependent on? I entered my code Nov 15.
Nobody knows the specifics, only the general statement. They said they're going to do a press release later this week that details all that information... Which they should because early access is almost only one week away now.
Oh also, who's doing the OT anyways? Or is this just gonna be modified into the OT?
Additionally, when it gets made, is it 1 week from early access or 1 week from the release date?
Freyjadour
Member
Jumping Flamethrower looks so god damned cool. Glad I decided on this route.
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. All games are more dominated by continuous throughput than the inefficiencies of random access because the files accessed by games are large enough to eclipse the impact of that inefficiency. It's true that SSD's absolutely thrash mechanical hard drives in the area of random access due to their almost non-existent seek times but when you're loading larger files it's just not important any more.
I run a gen 2 intel SSD 160gb x25m and a pair of Samsung Spinpoint F4's in Raid 0 and there isn't a difference in games between the two, I've run the SWTOR beta off of both as well as BF3, Crysis, Crysis 2, WoW, Rift, Hell, I even dredged out my regrettable copy of AoC to try it on both, no difference.
Dakota47
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Isn't this thread basically the OT already? I know I treat it as such.
I hope so,that's what Rift did and it went well...of course if they tell me I can start like 2 days early,even though I have no bandwith cap,I will install from the DVD on the 20th.
Alex
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Any thoughts on the dungeons throughout the game? I never got to try many but I liked the first spaceship one I tried. I'm hoping there's some meaty late game ones, I really wish devs would put out some convoluted ones again in MMOs but it never occurs. =/ WoW 4.3 dungeons and raids are all like... three fucking rooms hooked together by a teleporter, can't even be assed to make corridors anymore, it's the saddest shit I've ever seen. Genre gets dumber and dumber.
I'm probably going to make the OT more of a FAQ with some info about each class and links to the guilds. I think keeping all the frequently asked questions on the OP will probably be the most useful function.
Giolon
Member
I hope you put something in there for all the "I hear Sage is the only healer AMIRITE?" and "LOL Shadows aren't tanks, they wear light armor!" crowd...
Yes, that's one of the main reasons I want to do it FAQ style.
Also the fact that it's finals time and this lets me offload a lot of the work until after launch. Shhhh!
Can someone go into detail about the "Legacy" name in this game, as in when you get it, how it's applied and the sort? I'd go through the forums, but they're already a cesspool on a WoW level. I used to not mind sifting through that rubbish once, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
TurtleSnatcher
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I still have no idea what I am making day 1 
DOHHH
DOHHH
DimmuBurgerKing
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So they're off-tanks, right?
BattleMonkey
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You unlock your legacy at the end of Act 1. Right now all it does is give you a Surname that if you choose is the only one that can be chosen for all your characters on the server and I believe possibly your entire account. You build up Legacy points by using other characters also with the Legacy Surname or such that will increase your legacy lvl or something of the sort, but really thats all it does it seems at least in the last beta. They are supposed to be adding in more stuff that is unlocked using the Legacy thing later on.
Kinda seems like a bonus for playing through the game with Alts, but right now it doesn't really do anything.
Mrninjaman
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I still have no idea what I am making day 1
DOHHH
Same boat man, All I know is that I'm rolling Imperial probably an Agent or Inquisitor but as far as what AC I have no idea T.T
I kinda wanna try out the Agent because what I saw of his story its awesome and I think he will be the lease played class on imperial side, you know whole no lightsaber and not a Bobba Fett wannabe thing
But the inquisitor sounds pretty slick too, if I'm willing to be 1 of 2 million lightsaber toons...
NeoGAF Official Thread
Release Date: December 20, 2011
Early Access begins: December 15, 2011
Operating Systems: Windows XP, Vista, 7
Minimum Requirements:
Character Classes
Please note that your choice of class affects your storyline. At level 10 players will choose an Advanced Class that will determine their roles in combat. This is an important decision, as you cannot change your Advanced Class.
Leaders and warriors, heroes and champions, the Jedi Knights have stood at the forefront of every battle. They are masters of the lightsaber arts, kicking, jumping and flashing through the air and using the Force to clear the way in front of them.
Advanced Classes: Jedi Guardian (Tank, DPS) (Lightsaber, Heavy Armor) and Jedi Sentinel (DPS) (Dual wields Lightsabers, Medium Armor)
A master of the secrets of the Force, the Jedi Consular is both fighter and healer, teacher and student. The Force can be used to cloud the minds of the weak, restore strength to the fallen and hurl both opponents and objects through the air.
Advanced Classes: Jedi Sage (Healing, DPS) (Lightsaber, Light Armor) and Jedi Shadow (Stealth DPS, Tank) (Double Sided Lightsaber, Light Armor)
Across the galaxy, the Republic's elite special forces drop into the harshest conflicts ready to do the maximum damage. Outfitted with advanced armor, huge weaponry and the best training possible, Troopers combine leadership with suppression fire, a variety of explosives and incendiary weapons.
Advanced Classes: Commando (Healing, DPS) (Assault Cannon, Heavy Armor) and Vanguard (DPS, Tank) (Blaster Rifle, Heavy Armor)
Living life by their own rules, Smugglers are the galaxy's most unpredictable characters. They dress for ease of movement-with healthy dose of style-carry one or dual blasters and are always ready to shoot first, stealth up and sneak away after.
Advanced Classes: Gunslinger (DPS) (Dual wields Blaster Pistols, Medium Armor) and Scoundrel (Stealth DPS, Healing) (Blaster Pistol and Scattergun, Medium Armor)
No one inspires more feat than a Sith Warrior. Born for battle, few opponents can withstand the rage-fueled blows from a warrior's lightsaber or penetrate a warrior's armor. If dual wielded lightsabers can't finish the job, there is always Force Choke to bring an opponent to his knees.
Advanced Classes: Sith Juggernaut (Tank, DPS) (Lightsaber, Heavy Armor) and Sith Maruader (DPS) (Dual wields Lightsabers, Medium Armor)
Where a Sith Warrior is rage, an Inquisitor is cunning. A master of Force Lightning and arcane secrets, the Inquisitor can hold one enemy in the air and stun another all the while attacking with lightsaber moves designed for maximum pain.
Advanced Classes: Sith Sorcerer (Healing, DPS) (Lightsaber, Light Armor) and Sith Assassin (Stealth DPS, Tank) (Double sided Lightsaber, Light Armor)
A thorough professional, the Bounty Hunter trains mind and body for every possible job. Blasters, flamethrowers, missiles, energy shields, jetpack and the best armor money can buy-the name of the game is preparation and versatility.
Advanced Classes: Mercenary (Healing, DPS) (Dual wields Blaster Pistols, Heavy Armor) and Powertech (DPS, Tank) (Blaster Pistol, Heavy Armor)
Behind every Imperial attack, each sabotage, all the great betrayals, was an Imperial Agent. Armed for stealth and assassination, Agents do the jobs nobody else can and as such are trained to use everything from sleeping darts to sniper rifles, stealth belts and knives to advanced probe droids.
Advanced Classes: Sniper (DPS) (Sniper Rifle and Vibroknife, Medium Armor) and Operative (Stealth DPS, Healing) (Blaster Rifle and Vibroknife, Medium Armor)
Crew Skills
Coming soon!
Community
What's new in the NeoGAF SWTOR Community!
News
- (news goes here, PM Billychu to add community news)
GAF: North American Republic
Leader: CzarTim (CharName, Class)
Officer: Billychu (CharName, Class)
Officer: Trouble (CharName, Class)
Officer: The_Inquisitor (CharName, Class)
Officer: Jbird34 (CharName, Class)
The GAF Empire: North American Empire
Leader: fernboi (CharName, Class)
Officer: HarryDemeanor (CharName, Class)
NeoGAF: European Republic
Leader: Fonds (CharName, Class)
Officer: Schizoid (CharName, Class)
Officer: Tizzle-NL (CharName, Class)
Officer: Grimbi (CharName, Class)
Frequently Asked Questions
What's this doing here?
I'm posting this first draft of the |OT| here so I can get feedback from you guys, plus I need FAQs, so ask away!
What needs to be worked on?
I need the NeoGAF usernames of Officers in The GAF Empire and NeoGAF if they don't match up with your swtor.com account name!
More FAQs!
What's going to change?
The Community Section will be the first section once the |OT| moves to Community, until then the classes will be first.
Are the classes mirrored?
Yes, each class shares a mirrored class on the opposite faction.
Jedi Knight = Sith Warrior
Jedi Consular = Sith Inquisitor
Trooper = Bounty Hunter
Smuggler = Imperial Agent
Which classes can be healers?
Jedi Sage/Sith Sorceror
Commando/Mercenary
Scoundrel/Operative
Which classes can be tanks?
Jedi Guardian/Sith Juggernaut
Jedi Shadow/Sith Assassin
Vanguard/Powertech
Are there off healers/tanks?
No. While a class might accomplish a role in a bit of a different way, they are ideally all viable at their role.
Where can I go for more information?
Official Site
TORHead - An excellent database website
Darth Hater - A great newsite and has their own database
Where can I see those amazing cinematic videos?
Opening
Hope (The Galactic Republic)
Deceived (The Sith Empire)
My plan is for core info (basic class info, guild info) to be by themselves with more secondary information (class differences, mechanics, planet info, etc) to be in the FAQs, but of course everything can be changed, which is why I'm posting this now. MMOs can be confusing, so I want as much feedback so the |OT| can be as good at conveying information as possible.
Omg early access begins today.
Noted!
Omg early access begins today.
Damn, I was hoping if I wrote it down, it would come true. Didn't work. But HOLY SHIT I can play the final version in 10 days!!!
Yes, his avatar does look good.
Giolon
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My only concern with doing this, is that no Shadow worth their salt is going to use a one-handed lightsaber or a Vibroblade, due if to nothing else than the restriction on many moves that a double-bladed Lightsaber be equipped. While technically true that they can wield them, it is somewhat misleading. It's like in WoW, Warriors can technically wield daggers and staves, but you'd never see one wielding either other than as a joke.
Maybe you could list their primary weapon, and then the alternative weapons in parenthesis or even just leave them out altogether.
I'm only listing the ideal weapon and armor for each class. You can dual wield training sabers if you want, but I'm not going to encourage you.
My post is over here!
cartoon_soldier
Member
I would probably add the What is SWTOR/Setting section from the current OT too.
In addition, have a section for links with links to
Official Site
TOR Head
Darth Hater
SWTOR Wiki Link (there are two out there, eventually one will win out!)
Any other important SWTOR Links (hopefully we get a good theory crafting site)
Link to Game Cinematic would be good with:
Game Intro
Republic Intro
Empire Intro
In addition, have a section for links with links to
Official Site
TOR Head
Darth Hater
SWTOR Wiki Link (there are two out there, eventually one will win out!)
Any other important SWTOR Links (hopefully we get a good theory crafting site)
Link to Game Cinematic would be good with:
Game Intro
Republic Intro
Empire Intro
A cast list would probably be better, I'm trying to keep each section as lean as possible.
LumpOfCole
Member
I made a video last year showcasing the difference between 1 SSD and 2 HHDs RAID 0'd when it came to WoW.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju4LAKqHc00
cartoon_soldier
Member
Depending on how much you want to put in the OT, you can add section for:
Mounts
Companions => Crew Skills
Light Side/Dark Side effects (Gear dependency, Dark Side Corruption Effect)
Mounts
Companions => Crew Skills
Light Side/Dark Side effects (Gear dependency, Dark Side Corruption Effect)
Freyjadour
Member
May as well add Sith Warrior if it is going to be the EJ of TOR.
Yeah, just something like that. I mean just more along the lines of, I can see people coming in here and being like "DUDE, which guy do I be if I want to use two lightsabers?!"
I just figured I should be thorough in-case anyone called me out on not knowing what all the weapons they could use were, regardless of their good use or not
cartoon_soldier
Member
Let me know if you want any help with the OT.
LowParry
Member
If you come over here and discuss the theory crafting going on, there's two potential viable builds for tanking. I think in the end, they'll make perfectly good tanks. This is the class I will be playing
http://sithwarrior.com/forums/Thread-Sith-Assassin-Jedi-Shadow-Tanking-Compendium
If you come over here and discuss the theory crafting going on, there's two potential viable builds for tanking. I think in the end, they'll make perfectly good tanks. This is the class I will be playing
http://sithwarrior.com/forums/Thread-Sith-Assassin-Jedi-Shadow-Tanking-Compendium
Makes me want to play that class... as my third character. 8P
Hot and Evil Female BH first, then tapping some Vette ass with a Jedi Warrior.
Vestal
Junior Member
You are absolutely wrong.. particularly in terms of MMOs. First off, MMOs hardly do any writes at all. The basis of an MMO is a dumb client, were you just read all of the graphic data and display it, any data collected is sent out to the server.. If you have say Logging enabled most of it goes to a buffer and its written once in a while to the log file.
secondly games load gazillion times faster with SSDs, and streaming engines like Unreal engine benifit greatly from this..
Put it this way, I was always under the impression that in Skyrim there was only 1 random image shown when loading a new area, until I watched a friend play it on his machine and it showed like 4 or 5.. He took like 10-15 seconds to load a new area from his HDD, while I take 2-3 seconds at the most from an SSD.
Yeah, definitely. Everyone feel free to just write out any section you feel should be in the OT.
LowParry
Member
Damn, you see this review? -I am deeeeef-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwJIob_qDFU&feature=g-all
Edit, scratch that. I can't listen very well apparently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwJIob_qDFU&feature=g-all
Edit, scratch that. I can't listen very well apparently.
LOL I was just about to ask where does he say f2p in a few months - I hit "quote" & the post changed
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