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StarCraft 2 Beta |OT| (Beta Now Reopen, GL HF)
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i said it in the online thread and i'll say it hereWedge7 said:
lets at least wait for mint to respond to these allegations. the evidence seems fairly conclusive at this point, but i think it's only fair that we wait to see what he has to say for himself before we ostracize him completely.
if he either never responds, or is unable refute the claims then go for your life with the pitchforks. maybe a mod will see it fit to give him a tag informing the GAF community of his cheating ways...
but i'd like to at least hear his side of the story first.
has this been posted yet? awesome protoss vs protoss build:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT6hvgOeZ5M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMKe6gmwvzw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT6hvgOeZ5M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMKe6gmwvzw
Yeah, I'd actually feel bad if he got banned, just because he used a map hack in a friendly match. But that's just me.Scrow said:
I love HD StarcraftPandaman said:
Very interesting match.
And the first time I've actually seen phoenixes used effectively. Still seem too weak though =P
Scrow said:
Fair enough man, I admit I may have been slightly over-zealous. I suppose I got caught up in all the excitement, and may have come across kinda rudely. I'm a junior so I gotta be sorta careful as well, so I dont quite know my way around. My apologies honestly, its just a topic thats always sorta bothered me.
TurtleSnatcher
Member
Maybe thats why he kept loggin in and out in and out in and out after Deltron and I left.. and I'm guessing thats when you had your game Panda...
sasimirobot
Junior Member
Map hacking is so wack, I can't see how anyone older than 12 could even think about doing it.
What a waste of time and energy for everyone involved...
just add this button to your keyboard and get it over with loser
What a waste of time and energy for everyone involved...
just add this button to your keyboard and get it over with loser
Good point, I should've just massed speedlings and hit their Nexuses (Nexi?)TurtleSnatcher said:
This is a bit silly, I guess if you partner has Observers out then it means autowin for you?
There's still a whole lot of stuff to do even if you can see someone's shit. Maphack only makes a difference when players are around the same skill ballpark.
I suggest everyone take a deep breath and relax and let mint come in to try to justify his action/defend himself. At this rate you guys will be forming a mob to storm his house yelling "SENTRY THIS YOU CHEATING SON OF A BITCH!"
Kenak said:Doesn't mean I'd endorse it or feel any less bad though
Honestly, the fact that it WAS a friendly match makes it worse to me. The end result isn't suppose to mean anything, we weren't doing a competition or anything. He was simply cheating as some sort of stupid ego boost. Like he wanted to be seen as "the best" in our little circle or something. Tch.
I've noticed that my APM during GAF matches is actually a bit lower than when I was in my placement matches. That's likely partly to do with the fact that I don't really care as much about winning or losing in a GAF match.
As I said, that's just me. I'm pretty sympathetic when I'm on the outside, but pretty vindictive when I'm actually involved.ZealousD said:
Can't wait for the game to come out and we can actually hold tournaments. Or just me getting a key so I can participate. Good times ahead!
TurtleSnatcher
Member
Before? Before your game with him??Pandaman said:
Oh and Phoenixs in numbers is lethal damn.. (Prob not so much vs a terran though)
Kenak said:
Thougth you had a weak pc?
So like Haly said, he and I did our 2v2 placement and we went 7-3. I played Protoss and he played Zerg. Got placed in Bronze. Won 6 in a row, then lost 3 in a row, and won our last game.
Our first loss we should have won though except I screwed up a bit. Haly was taken out rather early. We were up against two Zerg players by the way. I had walled off at my expansion though (on Lost Temple) and was pretty much impenetrable to Roaches. What happened was I kept holding off Nydus Canal attacks in my base (I think it was like three or four different times that they tried it on me), and then eventually the one Zerg player teched to Mutalisks and he began pestering my workers/base with those. Eventually I grew tired of that crap, and by this time I had accumulated a fairly large army which included Zealots/Stalkers/Colossi/Immortals/Sentries, so I decided to do eye for an eye with my opponents. I knew that if I waited around the guy with the Mutas would eventually wear me down, and I was also running out of resources. So I moved out and easily wiped out the one Zerg player's base/army, and of course as this was going on the other Zerg player was ripping my base up with his Mutas. It was pretty much a race at this point, and this is where I screwed up. I had just started pounding the other Zerg player's base when Haly typed in "build some extractors." Problem was I was way too focused on microing my army that I didn't know what he meant, and I failed to notice the message until the very last second when I finally realized my mistake. I had actually brought a probe with my army, but I couldn't find him as I frantically looked through all my units. So I took a probe back at my base and threw up a Nexus and Pylon real quick. Unfortunately it was too late though, and it was quite easy for the Mutas to make a sweep of my base quick and find my two remaining buildings. It's too bad too because I had the better army. If I had had another 30 seconds that Zerg player's base would have been flattened out.
Lesson learned from this game: when eye for an eye'ing MAKE SURE I bring a probe with me to make some buildings. And the other lesson I should probably take away from that game as well is to USE HOTKEYS. I'm still not making it a habit, and it has finally hurt me. If I had hotkeyed my probe separate from my army then I wouldn't have had to scramble around looking for one. Any tips for a good hotkey setup?
So that was our first loss. Our second loss (I think it was second, but maybe it was the third) was to two Terran players. This was the first time all night that we had actually had to play against Terran. Bottom line of that game was we got out-macroed. We lasted quite a while, but pretty much lost every major engagement. Was hard to combat MMM/BCs/Tanks/Ravens. This was also the only game where I tried sniping out bases with some Void Rays. Worked on them at first, but they eventually started throwing up lots of Turrets. Definitely got outplayed in that game.
And then Haly mentioned it earlier that our third loss came from two Protoss players that utilized the proxy strategy. So in the end I feel like we only got outplayed in two games (if you count the proxy strategy as being "outplayed" lol). Ugh, I now know what you all are frustrated about when you talk about proxies. :lol
Our first loss we should have won though except I screwed up a bit. Haly was taken out rather early. We were up against two Zerg players by the way. I had walled off at my expansion though (on Lost Temple) and was pretty much impenetrable to Roaches. What happened was I kept holding off Nydus Canal attacks in my base (I think it was like three or four different times that they tried it on me), and then eventually the one Zerg player teched to Mutalisks and he began pestering my workers/base with those. Eventually I grew tired of that crap, and by this time I had accumulated a fairly large army which included Zealots/Stalkers/Colossi/Immortals/Sentries, so I decided to do eye for an eye with my opponents. I knew that if I waited around the guy with the Mutas would eventually wear me down, and I was also running out of resources. So I moved out and easily wiped out the one Zerg player's base/army, and of course as this was going on the other Zerg player was ripping my base up with his Mutas. It was pretty much a race at this point, and this is where I screwed up. I had just started pounding the other Zerg player's base when Haly typed in "build some extractors." Problem was I was way too focused on microing my army that I didn't know what he meant, and I failed to notice the message until the very last second when I finally realized my mistake. I had actually brought a probe with my army, but I couldn't find him as I frantically looked through all my units. So I took a probe back at my base and threw up a Nexus and Pylon real quick. Unfortunately it was too late though, and it was quite easy for the Mutas to make a sweep of my base quick and find my two remaining buildings. It's too bad too because I had the better army. If I had had another 30 seconds that Zerg player's base would have been flattened out.
Lesson learned from this game: when eye for an eye'ing MAKE SURE I bring a probe with me to make some buildings. And the other lesson I should probably take away from that game as well is to USE HOTKEYS. I'm still not making it a habit, and it has finally hurt me. If I had hotkeyed my probe separate from my army then I wouldn't have had to scramble around looking for one. Any tips for a good hotkey setup?
So that was our first loss. Our second loss (I think it was second, but maybe it was the third) was to two Terran players. This was the first time all night that we had actually had to play against Terran. Bottom line of that game was we got out-macroed. We lasted quite a while, but pretty much lost every major engagement. Was hard to combat MMM/BCs/Tanks/Ravens. This was also the only game where I tried sniping out bases with some Void Rays. Worked on them at first, but they eventually started throwing up lots of Turrets. Definitely got outplayed in that game.
And then Haly mentioned it earlier that our third loss came from two Protoss players that utilized the proxy strategy. So in the end I feel like we only got outplayed in two games (if you count the proxy strategy as being "outplayed" lol). Ugh, I now know what you all are frustrated about when you talk about proxies. :lol
makes me sad watching that, knowing that i will never be able to match that sort of micro and multi-tasking.Pandaman said:
awesome match though.
on an unrelated note, does anyone find it strange that Zerg has no unit that can cloak AND attack? terran have ghosts and banshees. protoss have DTs and can cloak units under a mothership.
but the zerg have nothing in that regard. yes, most (all?) of their units can burrow, but none of them can attack while burrowed. to me it feels like the removal of the lurker has left a big gap in the zerg forces.
am i the only one that feels this is an important role missing for the zerg?
I feel a bigger problem as zerg is DEALING with cloakers. Sure you can make an Overseer on the spot but that takes time, and they are very vulnerable. Moreover, you need an upgrade in order for your overseer to keep in line with all your other guys. As far as I can tell, the only unit Overseers are really effective against are roaches.
Protoss has quick, cheap truesight in the form of observers. They come with their own cloaking field so you only need to worry about them in a head on fight against terran. They're also small and hard to focus fire if the armies involved are very large. Terran has orbital command for sweeping. Although temporary, it's pretty much an uncounterable form of truesight (i don't consider moving away as a counter because they all share that weakness.) It's much easier to kill an overseer in battle, or even an observer, than an OC all the way on the other side of the map.
I do miss lurkers though, and I feel like I'm sorely missing an AoE option against Mass MMM. Banelings don't cut it because you really have to coddle them and one scan and your pretty baneling trap is gone.
Protoss has quick, cheap truesight in the form of observers. They come with their own cloaking field so you only need to worry about them in a head on fight against terran. They're also small and hard to focus fire if the armies involved are very large. Terran has orbital command for sweeping. Although temporary, it's pretty much an uncounterable form of truesight (i don't consider moving away as a counter because they all share that weakness.) It's much easier to kill an overseer in battle, or even an observer, than an OC all the way on the other side of the map.
I do miss lurkers though, and I feel like I'm sorely missing an AoE option against Mass MMM. Banelings don't cut it because you really have to coddle them and one scan and your pretty baneling trap is gone.
they can move while burrowed, but it has to be researched. i think infestors can also move while burrowed and have it by default. but neither of them can attack while burrowed.Trasher said:
edit: i suppose you could argue that banelings can "attack" while burrowed, since you can detonate them without unburrowing them, but i'm not sure that completely fulfils the role i'm referring to.
Yesterday I got owned by a zerg in 3 min...
The zerg sent a drone in my base after about 30sec and then make a hatch in my base !
2 SCVs wasn't enough to kill it and then he was already over when he make zergs and her queen in my base ! 30 sec after 6 zergs was hitting my wall and that was the end. xD
How can I counter that ? Maybe use 6 SCVs to kill the hatch ? or do a better job with marine + SCVs shield to counter his zergs.
Anyway the level of play between copper and bronze league is like day and night.
I need to train a lot my timing to attack the opponent at the right time.
Yesterday I lost against a protoss after I killed 2 gateways and his 3 pylons and then psi storm, psi storm ! + hidden expansion and I was beat... xD
The zerg sent a drone in my base after about 30sec and then make a hatch in my base !
2 SCVs wasn't enough to kill it and then he was already over when he make zergs and her queen in my base ! 30 sec after 6 zergs was hitting my wall and that was the end. xD
How can I counter that ? Maybe use 6 SCVs to kill the hatch ? or do a better job with marine + SCVs shield to counter his zergs.
Anyway the level of play between copper and bronze league is like day and night.
I need to train a lot my timing to attack the opponent at the right time.
Yesterday I lost against a protoss after I killed 2 gateways and his 3 pylons and then psi storm, psi storm ! + hidden expansion and I was beat... xD
Just got hooked up with a key. When I get it properly set up and installed... will be adding to the "list."
I'm going to be on a lot. My times are generally 12am - 3am EST. Perfect for you West Coasters... maybe a little too late for my fellow East Coasters.
I haven't played SC1 in AGES. I'm handling this game like it's my first time to the series. Looking forward to seeing you guys in game
I'm going to be on a lot. My times are generally 12am - 3am EST. Perfect for you West Coasters... maybe a little too late for my fellow East Coasters.
I haven't played SC1 in AGES. I'm handling this game like it's my first time to the series. Looking forward to seeing you guys in game
YourMaster
Member
aznpxdd said:
You see it in pro play too.
It kind of surprises me how quickly everyone on here is jumping at mint's throat. I've played HoN with the guy and have talked to him quite a bit, and he's always been really cool. At least give him the chance to respond to all of this. Yes, it really sucks that people hack and I hate it too. Some of you are seeming to take this quite personal though.
TurtleSnatcher
Member
stormer said:
Sorry I didn't give you a key.. But because I didn't give you one doesn't mean you can call me 'smug'
GregLombardi
Member
Oh my things are getting nasty in here.
Map Hacking is lame if it happened. Why on earth would anyone ever do that in this community? Do they know who they're dealing with? :lol
Map Hacking is lame if it happened. Why on earth would anyone ever do that in this community? Do they know who they're dealing with? :lol
TurtleSnatcher
Member
This thread has gone from awesome to epic.. :lol
Ice Monkey
Member
NOOOOO mila i wanted to be the one who said that.
I'm surprised it took this long for us to find him out. That's really sad ;(
Although good news everyone! Apparently I am the best gaf SC2 player because EVERYONE ELSE MAPHACKS muah hah hah. EG(G)O RESTORED!
I'm surprised it took this long for us to find him out. That's really sad ;(
Although good news everyone! Apparently I am the best gaf SC2 player because EVERYONE ELSE MAPHACKS muah hah hah. EG(G)O RESTORED!
TurtleSnatcher
Member
Welcome backmintylurb said:Yeah..you're more of a twat than smug..I keed. Pez is awesome..lol