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StarCraft 2 Beta |OT| (Beta Now Reopen, GL HF)
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What's the opinion on setting up a pylon+gateway inside an opponent's base? Cheesy? I've never done the pylon+shitloads of cannons right near their nexus, but at least twice now I've scouted early, and if my probe goes undetected for long enough and they're walling off, I'll put up a gateway and plop out some zealots to hit their peon line with when they eventually go attack.
Is that me being cheesy/cheap, or what? Not that it really matters, but I'm curious what the general consensus is.
Is that me being cheesy/cheap, or what? Not that it really matters, but I'm curious what the general consensus is.
LaneDS said:
Don't worry about it. It's high risk. If any strat becomes unbeatable, Blizzard nerfs it. Heck, they actually nerfed this tactic in an earlier patch.
The only players you're really going to screw up by doing it is novice players, and they're going to have to learn to counter it anyway.
HotGarbage
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wow, that was incredible :lolCorum said:
TurtleSnatcher
Member
DemiMatt said:
Its pretty retarded in friendly games.. Specially when you tend to want those games to be enjoyable as opposed to end in 3 mins.
I don't consider proxying cheesy at all. It's a possible part of the game mechanics for a reason - I don't really consider any style of play cheesy at that.
Winning in SC isn't about :spacehonor: it's about exploiting every weakness and every mistake your opponent makes.
Your opponent doesn't scout, or doesn't keep an eye on the probe you've placed into their base or takes no measures to keep vision around most of his base, cheese it up. They lose, they learn.
Winning in SC isn't about :spacehonor: it's about exploiting every weakness and every mistake your opponent makes.
Your opponent doesn't scout, or doesn't keep an eye on the probe you've placed into their base or takes no measures to keep vision around most of his base, cheese it up. They lose, they learn.
TurtleSnatcher
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Burrow with roaches woulda helped there a bit in that artosis battle.. and just a shit ton of zlings
Maybe Zlings and Muta combo .. dunno That is a tough match there.
Maybe Zlings and Muta combo .. dunno That is a tough match there.
FromTheFuture
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I'm down for some 2v2's or practice 1v1's if anyone wants to get on right now. ID is Alumnus.mosaic
ZealousD said:
How long does it take to kill a full-health pylon with an scv/probe/drone? A long fucking time.
If you see the probe come in and drop shit, send your workers after the shit it drops, then the probe itself. No problem, sure.
The problem is if they get in unnoticed. You can't "scout" or "wall off" to stop against this. With scouting, it's a timing crap shoot whether or not they get up your ramp unseen. Walling immediately puts you significantly behind on economy - whether or not they rush. (If they don't rush, you're economy is slowed compared to theirs. If they do rush, they'll be spotted at your ramp and won't waste minerals building a pylon or cannon.) The same goes for putting just one pylon/supply depot (for vision) at your ramp ASAP.
The only race immune to it is Zerg, because of the free overlord (assuming they use it to scout at their ramp and first expansion). If hatcheries provided supplies (and you didn't get the initial overlord), Zerg would be the most vulnerable to this by far.
ZealousD said:
No, your partner should have been scouting, walling off, and building units for himself to not get rushed. By the time you see the probe drop a couple cannons in your base, the ally can have tier one duders running up your ramp. Your partner will have to travel to your base. Doing so as soon as the probe is spotted still leaves ample time for your workers to get wrecked. And with the benny-hill worker chasing, by the time your opponent arrives with any sizable backup, you might have 3 fucking cannons up in your shit.
ZealousD said:
How so? The range I'm talking about would be about 1/3 or 1/2 the map width.
The other option is to make probes take a couple seconds to begin warping in buildings, and that would seriously alter shit.
ZealousD said:
I see it in about 2/3 of the games I play where I have at least one Protoss enemy.
(I only play 2v2.) It's gotten to the point where I set the rally point of my command center / nexus to my ramp for the first worker I build.
Anyone have any pointers as to how I can learn to play more aggressively ?
When the server reset I just told the game I wanted more practice, I went 0-5(previously I went 1-4 then 0 for 2 in the ranking and against a friend who made it to silver 1v1 I'm 0-6), didn't even come close to winning any of them.
I quite literally am incapable of multitasking in these types of games , even when I think I have some kind of strategy to send units to pester my opponent I end up getting attacked myself and forgetting about the attack force.
This has been a problem for me with every single RTS I've ever played for the last 10 years, I'm the type of player who likes to just sit and stare at my base and build things and never do anything with them or fail to build things fast enough, what can be done to help this situation ?
When the server reset I just told the game I wanted more practice, I went 0-5(previously I went 1-4 then 0 for 2 in the ranking and against a friend who made it to silver 1v1 I'm 0-6), didn't even come close to winning any of them.
I quite literally am incapable of multitasking in these types of games , even when I think I have some kind of strategy to send units to pester my opponent I end up getting attacked myself and forgetting about the attack force.
This has been a problem for me with every single RTS I've ever played for the last 10 years, I'm the type of player who likes to just sit and stare at my base and build things and never do anything with them or fail to build things fast enough, what can be done to help this situation ?
I found the thread about it and got the exact numbers. It's actually based off the top 387 European players which is actually a lot better to use as a test because high level play is what challenges balance.JoeMartin said:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=116911
Just to quote some guy...
duckhunt said:
Pai Pai Master
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Pachinko said:
Use hotkeys on your buildings to help you micromanage your expanding and base building better. It's hard to keep up with training more harvesters to support your increasing army when you're focusing on attacking, defending and training more fighting units, so hotkey your hatchery/nexus/command center and keep pumping out harvesters as necessary. Watch replays and read strategies to get a better idea of when to expand to your natural and beyond, and most importantly never just leave a large force of units sitting around. If you've got a decent sized force based on what you've scouted of your opponent's base, send 'em out and start building units immediately to replace them for your defense. Watching my losing replays I'm always astounded at how many times I might have a big enough army to take down my opponent that I just leave sitting around in my base in fear of a pre-emptive strike.
Those numbers I posted are pulled from platinum league only.
And I don't know where he's pulling those numbers from because they're no where in the article it claims to be from.
And I don't know where he's pulling those numbers from because they're no where in the article it claims to be from.
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Les statistiques par race du Top 387 du 22 mars
NB Joueurs NB Win NB Lose Ratio % Diff %
Protoss 82 3244 2744 54.18% -0.83
Random 18 715 557 56.21% 1.21
Terran 80 2628 2025 56.48% 1.47
Zerg 93 2914 2446 54.37% -0.64
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Pour la période du 15 mars au 22 mars pour les joueurs ayant plus de 2000 points.
NB Joueurs NB Win NB Lose Ratio % Diff %
Protoss 26 1545 1233 55.62% -2.28
Random 11 459 327 58.40% 0.5
Terran 36 1361 887 60.54% 2.65
Zerg 27 1039 756 57.88% -0.01Pai Pai Master
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Won said:
I really feel like others have more options to be aggressive...for Zerg I just feel like I have to play standard every time to be ready to counter whatever better tactics could be coming my way. Maybe that's just my lack of practice.
TurtleSnatcher
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I find protoss to be the most plain.. then Terran.. then Zerg :lolWon said:
While listening to Weekend Confirmed, I was doing a bit of testing.
I loved the Dark Archon mind controlling everything back in SC, so I decided to do some test with the infestor.
I managed to get an scv to build a command centre and built my own terran army. :lol
The only difference is that you don't get a new population. Terran and Zerg share one Zerg population pool.
I loved the Dark Archon mind controlling everything back in SC, so I decided to do some test with the infestor.
I managed to get an scv to build a command centre and built my own terran army. :lol
The only difference is that you don't get a new population. Terran and Zerg share one Zerg population pool.
Damn, I have to stop playing WoW, even if my guild needs me as a tank, and instead of the boring progressless ICC10/25 runs, I could do some decent practice in Starcraft II beta...
Damn Blizzard for running TWO awesome games paralell to each other... and D3 did not even came out. MicVlad: if you are still up for it, we could practice some in the weekend, when I will have time to log in at least, let alone play..
Damn Blizzard for running TWO awesome games paralell to each other... and D3 did not even came out. MicVlad: if you are still up for it, we could practice some in the weekend, when I will have time to log in at least, let alone play..
frankthurk
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claviertekky said:
Wouldn't a single observer nullify the burrow?
I have a very annoying bug. Won't show what ladder division I'm in on the multiplayer tab, says undefined -- gold, and then switched to -1 gold when I'm looking for a 1v1 match. When I go to the ladder page, I can't see my 1v1 ladder division, 2v2's are fine though. On my profile page, one of the placement matches is missing, and every other ladder match I play results aren't showing up there. Though at the results screen of each game, I can see how many points I gained from the match and how far I've moved up in rank in my ghost division.
Just played 4 ladder matches, 4 protoss opponents, 3 went that very same sentry/zealot build in that new HD starcraft video, I went 4-0, two of my opponents were platinum too. So glad I watched that video earlier :lol
Just played 4 ladder matches, 4 protoss opponents, 3 went that very same sentry/zealot build in that new HD starcraft video, I went 4-0, two of my opponents were platinum too. So glad I watched that video earlier :lol