Procarbine
Forever Platinum
mcrae said:
Keep on trucking! Once you start playing against more skilled players, or gaffers that get to know your playstyle, you'll see hellions behind the wall, which you can't really beat with zerglings alone.
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Keep on trucking! Once you start playing against more skilled players, or gaffers that get to know your playstyle, you'll see hellions behind the wall, which you can't really beat with zerglings alone.
Ice Monkey
Member
nilbog21 said:i guess 5-0 puts you in gold now for 2v2s
it depends on who you played. you must have played a lot of gold or lower people i suppose :-/
After 30 games I'm getting used to Zerg a bit more, and sort of got my build orders down for most matchups. Queen management still needs more work.
The matchamking system is also most refined now. At first I kept getting my ass kicked but now I'm hovering between 60-80 plat and getting matched up with people close to my skill, with half the games taking 15 minutes or more.
Not much "cheese" either. Finally found a counter against fast hellions, and fast void rays is also not a problem anymore. A mix of ground units is a must for zerg, which is pretty cool. Banelings are more useful than I thought.
This game is now officially awesome and I can't wait for it to come out.
The matchamking system is also most refined now. At first I kept getting my ass kicked but now I'm hovering between 60-80 plat and getting matched up with people close to my skill, with half the games taking 15 minutes or more.
Not much "cheese" either. Finally found a counter against fast hellions, and fast void rays is also not a problem anymore. A mix of ground units is a must for zerg, which is pretty cool. Banelings are more useful than I thought.
This game is now officially awesome and I can't wait for it to come out.
I think the cheese in bronze was hilarious. Protoss players trying to build proxy bases on my nat... wtf bitch, I'm zerg :b I just build a spine or two and run with lings to his unprotected main base.
Losing to cheese is shameful.
Am now in gold after the reset. Let's see if I can stay there.
Losing to cheese is shameful.
Am now in gold after the reset. Let's see if I can stay there.
TurtleSnatcher
Member
Deltron and I havent played since Fri Night and we are still #1 in our division.. wtf?
thunker 9000
Member
Dark Templar proxy rush is awesome. Altho, if they beat the DT and counter pushed I would be done for.
I feel a bit cheap but hey, their fault for not getting detection.
I feel a bit cheap but hey, their fault for not getting detection.
Okay little rant here, it's late, and I'm tired and cranky.
1) MMM, while a great strategy, is not working for me. I get at least 6 medivacs, a dozen Marauders, a bazillion Marines and I still can't seem to conquer my opponents.
2) 2v2 Random is complete utter BULLSHIT. I've been paired with someone shittier than ME EVEN for the past 6 rounds I've played tonight. I'm ranked 7th to last in my division in COPPER.
3) I keep getting Void Ray rushed. That is all.
4) I've lost the last 6 matches in random 2v2, and let me tell you after all that I don't think my rank can get any lower, my Bonus Pool has reached over 120 because of how long I've lost. All my teammates are shitty!
5) It seems like in Copper (READ: EVEN IN COPPER) I seem to get paired with people who should be at least in high-bronze. These guys react to my every move. Goddamn.
6) I've played over 200 SC1 matches (LAN and computers) and at least 300 SC2 matches online and I STILL SUCK. WHY AM I NOT IMPROVING. I've won one match all night ALL NIGHT. This is making me rage harder than any other game I've competed on. I'm seriously considering canceling my pre-order on the CE because of this. Blizzard's disgusting matchmaking combined with an improper Copper league and a high-entry level make this the game to make me write won of the most rage-spoken-from-the-heart posts I've ever written about a game.
I'm at the end of my rope guys, I'll play some 1v1 and let you know if I need to write a rant there too.
1) MMM, while a great strategy, is not working for me. I get at least 6 medivacs, a dozen Marauders, a bazillion Marines and I still can't seem to conquer my opponents.
2) 2v2 Random is complete utter BULLSHIT. I've been paired with someone shittier than ME EVEN for the past 6 rounds I've played tonight. I'm ranked 7th to last in my division in COPPER.
3) I keep getting Void Ray rushed. That is all.
4) I've lost the last 6 matches in random 2v2, and let me tell you after all that I don't think my rank can get any lower, my Bonus Pool has reached over 120 because of how long I've lost. All my teammates are shitty!
5) It seems like in Copper (READ: EVEN IN COPPER) I seem to get paired with people who should be at least in high-bronze. These guys react to my every move. Goddamn.
6) I've played over 200 SC1 matches (LAN and computers) and at least 300 SC2 matches online and I STILL SUCK. WHY AM I NOT IMPROVING. I've won one match all night ALL NIGHT. This is making me rage harder than any other game I've competed on. I'm seriously considering canceling my pre-order on the CE because of this. Blizzard's disgusting matchmaking combined with an improper Copper league and a high-entry level make this the game to make me write won of the most rage-spoken-from-the-heart posts I've ever written about a game.
I'm at the end of my rope guys, I'll play some 1v1 and let you know if I need to write a rant there too.
Stabby McSter
Member
Have they said anything recently on the Mac beta?
1) I hope that's correct.fanboi said:
2) You have no idea how many HDstarcraft video commentaries and my own replays I've watched. Hell I've even done some things I never knew could work, only to end up in failure.
SERIOUSLY. I'm trying to push my ass into Bronze but it seems 2v2 random has it out for me.remz said:
Fuck it I'm reaper rushing from now on from the get go and if it doesn't work, I gg and quit.
Personally though, I think I do *slightly* better in 1v1.
^Terran, I rarely play Protoss, almost never play Zerg.
I just watched a few of my replays, it seems I'm being out-macro'd a lot. Also, I'm always last/second to last when it comes to APM, my opponents are in the 30-50 range while me and my teammate (sometimes) stay in the 15-30 range. This is making me feel more pathetic the more I watch.
I just watched a few of my replays, it seems I'm being out-macro'd a lot. Also, I'm always last/second to last when it comes to APM, my opponents are in the 30-50 range while me and my teammate (sometimes) stay in the 15-30 range. This is making me feel more pathetic the more I watch.
MrMister said:^Terran, I rarely play Protoss, almost never play Zerg.
I just watched a few of my replays, it seems I'm being out-macro'd a lot. Also, I'm always last/second to last when it comes to APM, my opponents are in the 30-50 range while me and my teammate (sometimes) stay in the 15-30 range. This is making me feel more pathetic the more I watch.
Hotkeys, use em?
And, go all in with Terran, dont even play any other race.
APM isn't all, more of setting waypoints when building units to reinforce when you attack and when you macro your army in combat.
What is your normal strat? You get own by Voids, scan scan scan and see if he gets warpgates, and if you are uncertain, build engi. and turrets.
MrMister said:
Mass gaming doesn't automatically lead to improvement. Whenever you lose, you should watch the replay and see what they were doing all game. Most importantly, see WHEN they were doing things. Look at info like the Army panel to see the value of your army against his throughout the game. Do you have moments where you have a bigger army but aren't aggressive? If so, learn to attack during that timing.
Also, note the timing of when stuff like Void Ray and Banshee rushes hit, and try to plan to have defense against them by that time (use things like your food count or the minerals/gas remaining at your base to determine timing without a stopwatch).
Also, if you have the advantage after killing his army, but don't have enough left to kill him, don't suicide your guys trying. Just contain him, keep making replacement troops to reinforce your containment, and take another expansion to compound your advantage.
Once you get a basic and solid build order going, and practice it well so you aren't messing up too much in the first 3 minutes. For example, try always going 9 Depot, 11 Rax, 12 Gas, 15 Orbital, 16 Depot, 18 Rax, and try to slowly perfect it by tweaking the timings so that you're building things as soon as the tech or money becomes available. You shouldn't wait until 6 Medivac before attacking, especially if they know what you're doing, because that's a lot of time to prepare a defense. You should attack with MM before your Starport is done, then bring 2 Medivacs with your followup attack while you take an expansion.
I actually just won one random 2v2 due to me pushing a little earlier than usual with MMM.
2 medics, around 8 Marauders, and 16 marines. Took down a Zerg expansion and eventually his main. He also complained about his Terran partner being stupid. I told him I know how he feels.
Here's the replay, maybe y'all can study what I could improve on, even though I won.
http://www.sc2rc.com/index.php/replay/show/1172
I also uploaded about 3 more, just search "xMrMister" on sc2rc.
2 medics, around 8 Marauders, and 16 marines. Took down a Zerg expansion and eventually his main. He also complained about his Terran partner being stupid. I told him I know how he feels.
Here's the replay, maybe y'all can study what I could improve on, even though I won.
http://www.sc2rc.com/index.php/replay/show/1172
I also uploaded about 3 more, just search "xMrMister" on sc2rc.
Divisions need some tweaking or they need to introduce the tournament thingy soon. Being #1 in a division feels kinda odd currently.
Don't play 2vs2 random....seriously. It is a fun diversion once in a while, but don't stick to it. It's like you want to hate the game on purpose.
Vikings are so awesome. I just had to build more and more of them! You just have to love dozens of Vikings landing at the same time!
MrMister said:
Don't play 2vs2 random....seriously. It is a fun diversion once in a while, but don't stick to it. It's like you want to hate the game on purpose.
fanboi said:
Vikings are so awesome. I just had to build more and more of them! You just have to love dozens of Vikings landing at the same time!
Won said:Divisions need some tweaking or they need to introduce the tournament thingy soon. Being #1 in a division feels kinda odd currently.
Don't play 2vs2 random....seriously. It is a fun diversion once in a while, but don't stick to it. It's like you want to hate the game on purpose.
Vikings are so awesome. I just had to build more and more of them! You just have to love dozens of Vikings landing at the same time!
Yeah...
I cant remember how many times I destroyed your army and then they reappear.
2v2 tonight? or 1v1?
FromTheFuture
Member
MrMister, or this goes to everyone actually, if you would like for some specific feedback on your play, I'd be more than happy to provide that if I could help you out. Or I could even just be a 1v1 practice partner so you could test out whatever to improve.
Just let me know, I'd be more than happy to help and learn with anyone willing. In case any of you don't know already my ID is Alumnus.mosaic on the US server.
Just let me know, I'd be more than happy to help and learn with anyone willing. In case any of you don't know already my ID is Alumnus.mosaic on the US server.
The only thing CoH and Starcraft have in common is that they are part of the RTS supergenre. They're wildly different at the metagame level so that question will give you skewed results. Many of the people complaining "Starcraft 2 is Broodwar3D" and "Starcraft 2 ignores a decade of RTS innovation" are most likely fans of CoH, DoW or SupCom. Granted, there are some aspects of SC2 that are downright primitive but you can blame the gosu koreans for that.Billen said:
FromTheFuture
Member
Halycon said:
Anyone know if it's possible to drop down a league?
Me and my buddy are in 2v2 Bronze, with a 12-35 w/l record (a few of those wins are from people outright dropping at the start). We're at the absolute bottom of our league (87th).
It feels like we shouldn't be ranked this high, and some of the games are pretty demoralizing.
We thought maybe we could play a bunch of games and insta-quit to see if it did anything, but I have no idea if that works or not.
Me and my buddy are in 2v2 Bronze, with a 12-35 w/l record (a few of those wins are from people outright dropping at the start). We're at the absolute bottom of our league (87th).
It feels like we shouldn't be ranked this high, and some of the games are pretty demoralizing.
We thought maybe we could play a bunch of games and insta-quit to see if it did anything, but I have no idea if that works or not.
NemesisPrime
Banned
Billen said:
Very bad probably.
I am a CoH/DoW player and have not used my SC2 beta key yet (no you can't have it). I probably will, but I am dreading multiplayer TBH after CoH/DoW. Will get SC2 for single player mainly.
http://tv.zeroboy.net/HATEPLOW
Korean stream of an older progamer (Won 2000 and 2001 OSLs)
GARMITO casually playing some SC II for us.
Right now there is English translation in the chat which is why I am bringing it up here.
**Actually they are waiting for food before starting? What the hell? :lol
***Oh looks like they are giving his ID out and people are friending / whispering him?
Some games will eventually start up anyway. It should be like Bnet attack (very relaxed and talky).
****PvP on Scrap Station is go!
Korean stream of an older progamer (Won 2000 and 2001 OSLs)
GARMITO casually playing some SC II for us.
Right now there is English translation in the chat which is why I am bringing it up here.
**Actually they are waiting for food before starting? What the hell? :lol
***Oh looks like they are giving his ID out and people are friending / whispering him?
Some games will eventually start up anyway. It should be like Bnet attack (very relaxed and talky).
****PvP on Scrap Station is go!
Minsc
Gold Member
NemesisPrime said:
Do you think it would be fair to say SC2 multi is a lot more hectic and fast paced than CoH multi? It seems in SC2 you need to be able to control every single unit's actions and always be attacking/building/mining as fast as all hell.
I wonder if it is mainly the people who don't like that frantic, frantic speed of game that tend to call SC2 "throwing away 10 years of evolution" and "Brood Wars+"? Or is CoH and the like just as frantic and clicks-per-minute critical as SC2, and the only real difference is the strategies used in playing, not the speed of the gameplay?
NemesisPrime
Banned
Minsc said:
Yes true... SC2/SC is about micromanagement, speed and keyboard/mouse skills and CoH/DoW2 is more about tactical decisions and anticipation of the battlefield. Two very different schools of the RTS genre.
FieryBalrog
Member
NemesisPrime said:
That's actually total BS, CoH is incredibly micro-intensive if you play at a high level and requires a fairly high APM. On a low level you can do whatever you please of course but you can do that in SC2 as well. I mean if people in Copper league are averaging 50 APM that's not exactly a very speed intensive game.
Both games are about micromanagement, speed and tactical decisions. CoH is a little more tactical, and Starcraft is a little more macro and focuses on broad economic decisions more.
P.S.
Playing 2v2 Random is just asking for frustration.
Find a friend or someone on GAF to team up 2v2 with, and try playing there.