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StarCraft 2 Beta |OT| (Beta Now Reopen, GL HF)
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Ice Monkey
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iamblades said:
There's many reasons to make something as a building instead of an upgrade, don't forget the dark shrine could just have been an upgrade on the temp archives, but instead is a building both to make it more vulnerable to sniping as well as, and this is key and what you're forgetting:
allow you to make a proxy dark shrine off in some corner where the enemy wont notice it, and therefore during scouting think you don't have DTs and not make as many or any observers, then give you the element of surprise. Why do you think the shrine is so damn small and tall? precisely to allow more options for placing both it and a pylon is some discreet corner.
plus, aside from like a rax allowing both marines and marauders, what other sole building gives you the ability to build two more primo units? Each unit has their own building if i recall correctly, so it makes sense both high temp and dark temp would get their respective tech building. Even zerglings require a tech building.
edit: only thing I can think of is maybe robofac and tech labs, but tech labs are a special understandable building that can allow two more (not as primo) units and robo fac used to need observatory for observers but now gives immortal and observer as a balance change.
Adding to Ice Monkey, I feel like DT should be its own tech branch. If DT were made from the templar archive, protoss players will more likely go both air and templars. I feel like it's a balance issue as DTs are extremely gas-expensive. We're forced to either go for air or buff our ground armies with DTs.
watervengeance
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Dark Templars are fine. They absolutely tear through things if left unchecked for a while.
The Lamonster
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Still, there were plenty of other changes besides just balance. The game has changed significantly since day one:Ice Monkey said:
Ice Monkey
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The Lamonster said:
understood. but the idea that those 12 patches weren't mainly balance changes is rather amusing
Ice Monkey
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aznpxdd said:
if beta werent ending in like 8 days i'd respond that I give it two days before frenzy is burned with fire out of the game forever :lol there's just so much potential for rape with that mechanic. and only 25 energy for 30 seconds?
that's less than an energy point per second.
maniac-kun
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i made suggestion about a ingame replay channel that shows the best replays and maybe replays of cup finals etc.
http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25026432930
http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25026432930
rsam87 said:
Use voids for their intended purpose and not as a catch-all?
Zealots and stalkers for marines and marauders.
If we're talking upgrade-city on the marines and marauders, get a few phoenixes and grav lift marauds.
If you're robo, Zealots for the marines and Immortals for the marauders.
JasoNsider
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I really hate to say "I told you so" but....I told you so! The voids really did need a change. I didn't even mention this in all those posts I put up as I forgot - their range was 7!! We tried devising strats with fungal growth + hydra and that would not work due to range. Lame. Anyway, this should really help Terran especially with the void ridiculousness.
The voids really did need a change. I didn't even mention this in all those posts I put up as I forgot - their range was 7!! We tried devising strats with fungal growth + hydra and that would not work due to range. Lame. Anyway, this should really help Terran especially with the void ridiculousness.I had no problem playing straight up before, it usually ended up in a dead-heat, then ghosts come and my ground army is pretty much done for.
I used voids to try to give myself an advantage. I find that zealots pretty much melt to the MM ball though, without charge.
Not complaining about the void nerf, just need ideas to adjust now. Yes Sentries/stalker/zealots works, but that works for everything and with this patch the MM push is going to come out sooner and stronger.
I used voids to try to give myself an advantage. I find that zealots pretty much melt to the MM ball though, without charge.
Not complaining about the void nerf, just need ideas to adjust now. Yes Sentries/stalker/zealots works, but that works for everything and with this patch the MM push is going to come out sooner and stronger.
The Lamonster
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Patch is live??Yaweee said:
Confused101
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I beat some guy a couple days ago with a silly amount of VRs and he said, "This is ridiculous. I wonder if they're gonna nerf void rays soon." However, this is probably not the nerf he was looking for.
MisterAnderson
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Bah, come on patch hurry up :/
Orangepeel
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I'm thinking they're gonna reset the database again, since one of the changes is no identifier hmm
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Deleted member 17706
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I'm happy about the removal of identifiers. I hate the whole concept.
In the same boat as everyone else. Once I start StarCraft II, a "sc2-1.0.0.20153-1.0.0.20424-Uni-OSX-enUS-bnet-bin-component-dl" file gets downloaded to my "StarCraft II Beta" folder, & then the launcher shows the patch 13 notes & says "Finished". Maybe the Map Editor will finally be available for Macs?
Eaten By A Grue
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Ah damn I actually liked the identifier. I could finally get the name I wanted without having it taken.
MisterAnderson
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Not sure how I feel about Frenzy. Is it going to be autocast like blood lust? 25% increase in damage for 30 seconds is huge, and even if the spell has to be micro'd on each unit I can see this as being extremely overpowered.
Not sure why Blizz thought Zerg needed a 25% damage boost on their troops, I understand the need to be immune to snare/stuns/mind control though. Also yeah, imagine an army of frenzied chargelots in 2v2's. Bricks will be shat.
Not sure why Blizz thought Zerg needed a 25% damage boost on their troops, I understand the need to be immune to snare/stuns/mind control though. Also yeah, imagine an army of frenzied chargelots in 2v2's. Bricks will be shat.
Prophet Steve
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Guys, I don't have any clue where you are talking about, am in the beta, got my first few games massacred and need tips. Somebody wants to play with me or give me some beginner tips? Never played Starcraft before.
MisterAnderson said:Super Blood Bath (12 players - 6v6, 4v4, 3v3, 2v2, 1v1, FFA)
I took Blood Bath's formula and multiplied it. No idea how this will play but interested to try it out. Resources are extremely limited, so the center high yield locations will be a serious battleground. Again, bare-bones on the art side of things, but I don't want to go nuts on the art for this until I figure out if it's fun to play since it's such a huge map and would be a lot of work.
Mwuhahaaha.
So if we're SC2 pals, I can get maps through your profile or something? Has Blizz laid out how the map publishing works yet?
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Prophet Steve said:
Find a youtube vid of a build order for the race you like. Practice it on the easy ai. If it makes you feel better, I played a ton of Starcraft 1 and I lose tons of games. Watch all your replays, it will help also.