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StarCraft 2 Beta |OT| (Beta Now Reopen, GL HF)
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ChronicleX
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They really should just the beta down early to fix how unstable it is. The main thing they wanted to test this patch was their crappy facebook meshing bollocks and anyone who was going to use it would of done so by now.
Yeah. IRL friends etc that is fine, if they try and hax your account you can punch them. It is never a smart idea to share any account info of the account you are using to random people. However only the people with brains God created on opposite day would be that stupid but they deserve all that comes their way, like free tickets to Oprah and a subscription to Swedish Penis Extender.
Corran Horn said:
Yeah. IRL friends etc that is fine, if they try and hax your account you can punch them. It is never a smart idea to share any account info of the account you are using to random people. However only the people with brains God created on opposite day would be that stupid but they deserve all that comes their way, like free tickets to Oprah and a subscription to Swedish Penis Extender.
Ice Monkey
Member
so guys, can you refer to my post about my map? i need some suggestions.
I toyed around with it in the test feature of the editor, and i like it alot. The mains and nats of each starting point seem to work well. I also don't think the reaper cliffs give too much advantage to terrans, since in other maps bases would be accessible too and the xelnaga towers are accessible by the ramps in each base anyway, it's just that reapers can get to them quicker, also like most other sc2 maps.
Here's the only problem i can think of before playing a full game against you guys (if it will ever be possible) The little infinity symbols on the top and the bottom that have the layers of rocks, minerals, rich minerals and rich geysers take way too long to reach the middle. See, the problem is that those mineral fields can only ever be harvested by at most one scv+mule at a time, and in practice this takes damn near forever to get through since it works out to be two to three layers of minerals before you can access the geysers. Now, each base has about 10000 gas in them, so this shouldnt be a problem. The only thing is, if you ever want at some point to get to the geysers even just for fun, it's gonna take just insanely too long to get in.
In addition, the sheer amount of minerals there basically gives terrans a huge advantage of course because of the freaking mules. I just did a dry run of what I could accomplish with like 20 orbital commands all doing mules and I got into the tens of thousands after what seemed to be a short while. That combined with how marines are basically the best unit in the game and reapers are beloved on the map make me fear for anyone daring to play protoss or zerg on this crazy map. Then again, it is a big 7v7 game so its not like one side has to be all terran to have a chance, plus it takes huge dedication to care that much about the middle resources.
I'm thinking my two options are to either try and reduce all the mineral clusters to something like 100 each (seems too low) or just build something better at those spots. I can get behind building something better but I already decided to call the damn map "fair infinity" (not that that's even good) and those spots actually look really damn pretty when you play the game.
With all that said, anyone have any thoughts on what I should do?
I toyed around with it in the test feature of the editor, and i like it alot. The mains and nats of each starting point seem to work well. I also don't think the reaper cliffs give too much advantage to terrans, since in other maps bases would be accessible too and the xelnaga towers are accessible by the ramps in each base anyway, it's just that reapers can get to them quicker, also like most other sc2 maps.
Here's the only problem i can think of before playing a full game against you guys (if it will ever be possible) The little infinity symbols on the top and the bottom that have the layers of rocks, minerals, rich minerals and rich geysers take way too long to reach the middle. See, the problem is that those mineral fields can only ever be harvested by at most one scv+mule at a time, and in practice this takes damn near forever to get through since it works out to be two to three layers of minerals before you can access the geysers. Now, each base has about 10000 gas in them, so this shouldnt be a problem. The only thing is, if you ever want at some point to get to the geysers even just for fun, it's gonna take just insanely too long to get in.
In addition, the sheer amount of minerals there basically gives terrans a huge advantage of course because of the freaking mules. I just did a dry run of what I could accomplish with like 20 orbital commands all doing mules and I got into the tens of thousands after what seemed to be a short while. That combined with how marines are basically the best unit in the game and reapers are beloved on the map make me fear for anyone daring to play protoss or zerg on this crazy map. Then again, it is a big 7v7 game so its not like one side has to be all terran to have a chance, plus it takes huge dedication to care that much about the middle resources.
I'm thinking my two options are to either try and reduce all the mineral clusters to something like 100 each (seems too low) or just build something better at those spots. I can get behind building something better but I already decided to call the damn map "fair infinity" (not that that's even good) and those spots actually look really damn pretty when you play the game.
With all that said, anyone have any thoughts on what I should do?
watervengeance said:I'm packing a low 40 APM.
That's about where I sit as well. It was roughly my peak in SC1 as well, and I played Terran. As you may be able to guess, it was not pretty!
Is everyone able to play user maps? Whenever I try to load one, I get an error - USER_CREATED_MAPS_NOT_ALLOWED.
:lol
TL has a thread for freeze art.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=126943
TL has a thread for freeze art.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=126943
Lol! :lolHazaro said::lol
TL has a thread for freeze art.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=126943
Man, the freezes are pretty damn terrible. Hope they fix it soon.
Ice Monkey
Member
reading a thread on TL, I had an interesting idea for ultras. It doesn't sound too OP when i think about it.
How about, keep them exactly the same as they are now, but give them the ability to move while burrowed. Not even needed to be researched maybe since they are tier 3 anyway.
The cool thing I'm imagining in addition though is that although they would be able to move while burrowed, you can see them in the ground as they move. they are, however, invisible when staying still just as they are now and the trail that you see as they move while burrowed will take a short few seconds to disappear. This would make sense flavor-wise since ultras are so big they cant hide while they are burrowing.
In regards to detectors, although you can see the ultras moving underground, only when a detector is around would you be able to hit them. Much like how it would be for DTs coming towards your army. However, ultras would have to unburrow to attack unlike other cloaked units. Finally, as they unburrow, one of their attacks procs near-instantly to the nearest unit if in range. (with a different animation to show the ultra exploding from the ground)
Now here's the two things this would solve: everyone seems to consider ultras as being useless mainly because they die before they even reach their targets. Not only that but second, they get trapped behind even your own units because they are so big which contributes to them dying so quickly.
By being untargetable without detection then you can expect or rely on ultras not dying before they reach their targets.
By moving while burrowed they can be maneuvered without running into everyone's troops.
By adding this unique noticeable version of moving while burrowed you both help improve the flavor/influence of burrow as race trait as well as distinguish the ability from being criticized as just an ultra's version of a dark templar ability.
Finally, I think we can all agree that ultra's being able to do this would see them being used more often.
I'm also imagining how understandable it would be in terms of all zerg ground units having some type of usage of burrow:
*All ground units can burrow
*drones and queens burrow to save their asses from attack (common target)
*lings burrow, upgrade into blings to burrow+ability: explode while burrowed
*hydras burrow, upgrade into lurkers to burrow+ability: attack while burrowed
*roaches burrow, upgrades to burrow+move+ability: regen, physical stealth moving burrow unit
*infestors burrow, upgrades to burrow+move, magical stealth moving burrow unit
*ultras burrow, upgrades to burrow+move, noticeable massive moving burrow unit
This was just an idle thought at first, but I'm seeing no downsides to this. They are already mad expensive, this would just actually allow them to be used competitively while not overpowering them. The idea of a stealth ultralisk sounds OP, but make the stealth obvious enough to the point that it's just a way to get them to get attacks off EVER while giving every race even more reason to care about detection and it seems solid to me.
How about, keep them exactly the same as they are now, but give them the ability to move while burrowed. Not even needed to be researched maybe since they are tier 3 anyway.
The cool thing I'm imagining in addition though is that although they would be able to move while burrowed, you can see them in the ground as they move. they are, however, invisible when staying still just as they are now and the trail that you see as they move while burrowed will take a short few seconds to disappear. This would make sense flavor-wise since ultras are so big they cant hide while they are burrowing.
In regards to detectors, although you can see the ultras moving underground, only when a detector is around would you be able to hit them. Much like how it would be for DTs coming towards your army. However, ultras would have to unburrow to attack unlike other cloaked units. Finally, as they unburrow, one of their attacks procs near-instantly to the nearest unit if in range. (with a different animation to show the ultra exploding from the ground)
Now here's the two things this would solve: everyone seems to consider ultras as being useless mainly because they die before they even reach their targets. Not only that but second, they get trapped behind even your own units because they are so big which contributes to them dying so quickly.
By being untargetable without detection then you can expect or rely on ultras not dying before they reach their targets.
By moving while burrowed they can be maneuvered without running into everyone's troops.
By adding this unique noticeable version of moving while burrowed you both help improve the flavor/influence of burrow as race trait as well as distinguish the ability from being criticized as just an ultra's version of a dark templar ability.
Finally, I think we can all agree that ultra's being able to do this would see them being used more often.
I'm also imagining how understandable it would be in terms of all zerg ground units having some type of usage of burrow:
*All ground units can burrow
*drones and queens burrow to save their asses from attack (common target)
*lings burrow, upgrade into blings to burrow+ability: explode while burrowed
*hydras burrow, upgrade into lurkers to burrow+ability: attack while burrowed
*roaches burrow, upgrades to burrow+move+ability: regen, physical stealth moving burrow unit
*infestors burrow, upgrades to burrow+move, magical stealth moving burrow unit
*ultras burrow, upgrades to burrow+move, noticeable massive moving burrow unit
This was just an idle thought at first, but I'm seeing no downsides to this. They are already mad expensive, this would just actually allow them to be used competitively while not overpowering them. The idea of a stealth ultralisk sounds OP, but make the stealth obvious enough to the point that it's just a way to get them to get attacks off EVER while giving every race even more reason to care about detection and it seems solid to me.
evlcookie said:
Every time they reset the database they time it with a slew of new beta key's to try and get the effect of release on the servers. They are also taking the beta down, and then back up again for stress testing.
I think ingame your going to be fine, the login servers might get punished though on the first weekend. We'll see.
Ice Monkey said:
Honestly, that won't do anything to make Ultralisks more usable. The problem is that the two things they counter en masse (zerglings and marines) are better and sooner countered by banelings. Cost, long build time, ridiculous need for extra upgrades, and their late late late late game status leaves them with little purpose.
And if you can sneak them to their target, so what? They really don't do that much damage; their advantage is their AoE effect and huge armor value, so you kind of want them to take hits.
maniac-kun
Member
assuming the development team will start monday or tuesday working again we have 6-7 days we can play normaly if they release a bugfix patch
Orangepeel
Member
I just played three games, 2 1v1 which froze intermittently but didnt stop and a 3v3 which totally froze. I'd just wait, and wheres my ability to play custom games, they aren't allowed right now or some weird message :/
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
NIN90 said:
Yeah, I stopped playing after this recent update. Got dropped all the way to shit league and saw players who were shit win due to the drops.
Minsc
Gold Member
Ice Monkey said:
Ultralisk's just need a charge ability that takes them from point A to point B, knocking back all large units and killing all small units in their way, in place of burrow.
This would allow them to be used to break up crowds, but they'd still not have an AoE attack for a normal attack, which is important.
The charge should also allow the unit to jump over buildings when upgraded, allowing the units to gain easy access to walled off bases, and do what they were meant to do, tear apart the bases.
It could also be devastating to a mineral line of workers, a properly aimed charge could take out an entire bases resource gatherers.
Can anyone point me to a good Terran video? I can't seem to find any good ones, I seem to be getting better at the game - but my main issue is my terrible offense. My defense is pretty solid, but I never attack, I never know when to attack, and the rare times I do attack I get obliterated. Maybe I should get someone to play with me/against me and help me through this shit.
thestopsign
Member
Wow, so uh... I just advanced from the Bronze League before the patch, to the Diamond League for this patch. Is the Diamond League the top league? If so... I'm so screwed.
As for freezes, I had one in my first time I tried a placement match, but have been free of them since. It was okay with me though, I was about to lose.
As for freezes, I had one in my first time I tried a placement match, but have been free of them since. It was okay with me though, I was about to lose.
OptimoPeach
Banned
:lol Gtfo of my hobbyYoshichan said:
Yoshichan said:
beta players have an average skill level a lot higher than what regular players will have once the game is out
remember, the beta is comprised mostly of hardcore broodwar players who sought out the beta codes
most of the non-broodwar players had a few matches then went back to WoW
anyone just had their placement wins not recorded? mutilated my first guy, got the gg send off and everything, clicked the score screen button and left the game to be informed the match was "still in progress" and still had 5 games left. then lost the second to a void rage rush, which was of course recorded.
theMrCravens
Member
Yeah, it's buggy for most people.ghst said:
I'm just messing around with 4v4 until they fix it.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
It ain't the server that's bad: It's the damn patch!Deadly said:
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Deadly said:
It's horrible. I've only completed 1 game out of 7, every other game has frozen up on me. I even tried playing a game against the AI just to practice my macro, and even that froze on me. I'm done playing until they fix this. What a sad note for this awesome beta to end on.
I hoipe the release isn't like this, boy would that suck hairy donkey balls.
Good thing no-one plays starcraft for the multiplayerMengy said:It's horrible. I've only completed 1 game out of 7, every other game has frozen up on me. I even tried playing a game against the AI just to practice my macro, and even that froze on me. I'm done playing until they fix this. What a sad note for this awesome beta to end on.
I hoipe the release isn't like this, boy would that suck hairy donkey balls.
MeshuggahMan
Member
Minsc said:
I'm still recommending they create an achievement: "You used an ultralisk!"
That'l get people using them.... at least for a few days.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Mr Cola said:
Even single-player will be laggy and freezing if shit goes the way it is since you have to be always online to play the game, if im correct.
OptimoPeach
Banned
I don't think there's a more boring and restrictive match-up than SC2 ZvZ in any Blizzard RTS
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
robochimp said:
I thought the game had always-online DRM and you also need to be online to play LAN.
maniac-kun
Member
its a beta issue not a final release issueshagg_187 said:
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
I know... I know...maniac-kun said:
MisterAnderson
Member
Anyone want to try 2v2 on my Chaos Sanctum map? No one's online (that I have friended)
Bnet still freezing a lot?
Bnet still freezing a lot?
Yoshichan said:
Wow, you remind me so much of myself. Don't worry, we were all giving you support of our own accord. Like my sister once said to me, 'Chris, if I could shut down one trait of you it's being so apologetic."
And one more thing, learn 1vs1. Get solid there. It makes for a wonderful learning experience
