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//: StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty |OT4| Everyone Else Would Beat Catspajamas
- Thread starter Corran Horn
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gold league.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Get out of bronze.
Haunted
Member
qxc was right all along
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
I got hit with the same thing, I think. I scanned the base and saw 3 tech lab barracks, I would have held it easily but I stupidly wanted to play greedy/risky and tried a hellion drop anyway. It seems completely silly to try considering how far back it sets you.
mech is like free win in zvt, no one knows how to play it right at all except goody and some korean players.
when i played terran most of the playersi defeated using mech didn't scout me in the first place and thought i was going normal marine tank
PhoenixDark
Banned
Hey Coran!
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Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
At least we were a field goal away from the super bowl. You were a field goal away from your coach killing someone.
why not get good at that matchup?
Only match up where you can't just 1a?
i can win zvz, but i don't want to play.
lets just say that more than half of my games are zvz and i got fed up with it.
its a shitty matchup anyway.
Pound for pound they do, but reapers tend to clump up, not to mention that by the time his reapers got there I had enough marines and 1 hellion to whittle the number down to two reapers, if I had kept my 3 hellions at the base, no contest.
High Diamond; I wonder where this strat originated.
Yeah, If I hadn't been bull headed I would have basically auto won following the failed reaper push.
We couldn't even get SC2 into the top 20 for GAF's 2011 2010 GOTY? For shame.
its better that way, sc2gaf is for the cool kids only.
TheThunder
Member
Because we were all smart enough to play it in 2010
dont worry about it, they wont be competitive enough to segregate into their own community.
Knowing almost nothing about BW and its community and history, I cannot tell if you are being serious with this statement or referencing something that happened in BW history.
I think what Panda means is that they will not become so good as to simply ignore all other teams.
At least I hope so, I seriously dislike arrogant high brow attitudes like that.
TheThunder
Member
It's not about the skill it's about the money they'd bring. Foreign teams should snatch as much good koreans as they can before the likes of SKT and CJ get into the market.
PhoenixDark
Banned
No BW player who officially transitions in April will be better than MVP, MMA, Nestea, and the other premier players. That being said, I'd imagine their teams overall will be better than many of the current SC2 teams. I hope BW teams decide to cooperate with GOM/GSL, as it opens up a nice revenue stream for them. There's no reason GOM and OGN cannot work together on a schedule, allow cooperation, and ultimately make money together.
That being said, if OGN and BW teams don't want to cooperate, GOM should at least be ready to put up a fight. I think it would be a good idea for GOM to further ally itself with foreigner leagues, teams, and tournaments. There should be some type of player associations able to work together. For instance, if BW/OGN doesn't cooperate with GOM there's no reason MLG should pay for their teams to compete in foreign tournaments, even if they win qualifiers. So if Flash wants to compete in MLG, KT should pay all the expenses. GOM certainly makes a lot of money thanks to foreigner interest, and this could further expand if the leagues decided to work more closely together. Including IPL and even NASL, perhaps.
This isn't without precedent, as it would most likely look like the AFL/NFL of the 1960s in some ways; of course, both wound up merging into one NFL after nine years of division.
I wonder what Artosis/Tasteless would do if GOM doesn't put up a decent fight and BW teams/OGN ostracize their players
That being said, if OGN and BW teams don't want to cooperate, GOM should at least be ready to put up a fight. I think it would be a good idea for GOM to further ally itself with foreigner leagues, teams, and tournaments. There should be some type of player associations able to work together. For instance, if BW/OGN doesn't cooperate with GOM there's no reason MLG should pay for their teams to compete in foreign tournaments, even if they win qualifiers. So if Flash wants to compete in MLG, KT should pay all the expenses. GOM certainly makes a lot of money thanks to foreigner interest, and this could further expand if the leagues decided to work more closely together. Including IPL and even NASL, perhaps.
This isn't without precedent, as it would most likely look like the AFL/NFL of the 1960s in some ways; of course, both wound up merging into one NFL after nine years of division.
I wonder what Artosis/Tasteless would do if GOM doesn't put up a decent fight and BW teams/OGN ostracize their players
Panda got me thinking about my TvZ. I always struggle with it. It's been my weakest matchup since season 2. So he just mentioned that he's happy when people go mech in that matchup. So yeah, I thought about it.
Maybe I just suck with mech.
Fast forward a few more ladder matches later where I go back to mainly bio (few siege tanks) mixed in, and I'm winning against Zerg again. I guess I never realized it, but my unit micro is so much better now that Banelings aren't as scary as they used to be. Just keeping Marauders on a separate hotkey lets me keep them ahead of my Marines when the Banelings roll in and it keeps them off of my Marines long enough to allow the Marauders and tanks to clean up.
So I guess I'm just not good enough for mech in that matchup, so I'll stick with bio. Sure, I'll deal with a few more Baneling bombs, but constantly getting caught out of position or getting crushed by Brood Lords/Infestors was downright demoralizing.
Maybe I just suck with mech.
Fast forward a few more ladder matches later where I go back to mainly bio (few siege tanks) mixed in, and I'm winning against Zerg again. I guess I never realized it, but my unit micro is so much better now that Banelings aren't as scary as they used to be. Just keeping Marauders on a separate hotkey lets me keep them ahead of my Marines when the Banelings roll in and it keeps them off of my Marines long enough to allow the Marauders and tanks to clean up.
So I guess I'm just not good enough for mech in that matchup, so I'll stick with bio. Sure, I'll deal with a few more Baneling bombs, but constantly getting caught out of position or getting crushed by Brood Lords/Infestors was downright demoralizing.
What?? And of course you have a lot of ZvZ, with you throwing mkatches. The game seems to try and give you your worst until you win.
And ZvZ is kinda fun, quick and cutthroat. You can always at least try to got for a double extractor trick 12-pool into slow-ling banes. Quick and dirty.
Marine Medivac Tank is still very good. Splinter's been using that on me and it's hard to harass him. I'm willing to bet you're allowing the zerg to macro early on too freely. Get 4 hellions early on and keep him contained (on two base). You can safely get an expo and you'll be on even, if not better, footing.
nah, i decided to look up to morrow and ignore the whole shitty matchup.
OrangeYouGlad
Banned
Sometimes I find in this scenario if I don't make the most of the 4 hellions then I get set back enough that I usually lose. I've managed to find a lot of luck with the Marine, Medivac, Tank build. If only that worked with TvT. God I hate that matchup.
nice joke, i found my zvp and zvt much better after ignoring zvz because i have better mindset for them.
the only downside is playing platinum guys after quitting 5 zvz in a row other than that i'm pretty fine.
4 hellions is not an investment. Losing them just puts you back on even ground with the zerg.
ShallNoiseUpon
Member
Boxer was good 10 years ago
Nada was good 7-8 years ago
July was good 6-7 years ago.
You're absolutely kidding yourself if you think any of those three players were even close to as good as a single A (probably even B) team player currently playing Brood War when they quit.
Well GOM has exclusive broadcasting rights due to Blizzard (I think) so they have to work with GOM in some fashion. The BW sponsorships as said are much larger than SC II right now even with the Blizzard money pumped into GSL.
Marine Tank Medivac son. It's all about the timings and abusing the FUCK out of marines when you can. Go watch some GSL TvZ.
lolu
I'm playing against the dregs of Platinum.
A Protoss just tried to hit me with a weird 4 gate --> Expand ---> 3 Stargate.
I killed his units, killed his expo and then killed his Voids. The weirdest part is that he built the the 3 Stargates after I killed his expo . . . what the hell, guy.
A Protoss just tried to hit me with a weird 4 gate --> Expand ---> 3 Stargate.
I killed his units, killed his expo and then killed his Voids. The weirdest part is that he built the the 3 Stargates after I killed his expo . . . what the hell, guy.
If anyone still wants to submit to me for the SC2 column (it pays!), tonight's your last chance! Send me your submissions at jwishnov@gmail.com before midnight PST.
I watch all of the GSL matches. I forced mech because I used to suck with Banelings wrecking me. I guess my control has improved to where Banelings aren't so bad.
PhoenixDark
Banned
One of the largest arguments against SC2 is that it's "easy" or takes significantly less skill than BW. I don't see how someone can hold that argument while dismissing the struggles of July, Boxer, Nada, etc in SC2. Yes, they weren't top players at the end of their careers. Yet their mechanics alone should have still been superior to SC2 players. I tend to think Boxer got so far in the early GSLs due to mechanics and experience alone.
SC2 clearly has a large technical skill ceiling, and in many ways we've just started to see it. People get bent up over rally points, cheese builds, and other things that allegedly make the game noob-friendly or ensure no one can dominate the game. Yet the game has seen impressive evolution since it's release, and is only going to continue.
SC2 clearly has a large technical skill ceiling, and in many ways we've just started to see it. People get bent up over rally points, cheese builds, and other things that allegedly make the game noob-friendly or ensure no one can dominate the game. Yet the game has seen impressive evolution since it's release, and is only going to continue.
I'm actually in belief that the reason why some of these BW players moved to SC2 is because they're more likely to find better success simply because SC2 is a more forgiving machine than BW. There's still so much to explore, imbalances to take advantage of, etc. SC2 is still fresh. These older players like Boxer know their career is coming to a close, it's unlikely they'll stick around until this game fully matures.