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//: StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty |OT4| Everyone Else Would Beat Catspajamas

Hazaro

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._. Share some of your knowledge to me then!
Pay $500 a month to pick from shit doctors on a wait list of weeks after being referred from a general doctor. Or something.
It's been years since I've seen a general doctor here let alone a specialist.

I'd just drive to some college clinic or something, but even then you have to get there early or spend a ton of time waiting.
 

Corran Horn

May the Schwartz be with you
You guys could be dying right this instant... go to a doctor tomorrow ffs!

I dont have insurance until April...and still then its fairly minimal...so unless I want to go to some health clinic...meh.


I plan to go one day...family history of stuff should get me to check things out.
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Pay $500 a month to pick from shit doctors on a wait list of weeks after being referred from a general doctor. Or something.
It's been years since I've seen a general doctor here let alone a specialist.

I'd just drive to some college clinic or something, but even then you have to get there early or spend a ton of time waiting.
.____. this makes me sick
 

ultron87

Member
I wish my stupid HSA didn't actively encourage me not to go to the doctor. Unless I manage to spend 3000 dollars on healthcare in a year. Then I can go get all the medical care I want.
 

Pancakes

hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
Oh well. Anyone on sc2 gaf play Journey? Worth 15 dollars? Heard its short :/

They're talking about it on the current Giant Bombcast. Sounds like it's fun if you're into artsy games.
 

ultron87

Member
I'm planning on playing Journey tomorrow night. But that might conflict with GAF night. Hmm, decisions.

How emotionally affecting and artsy can you guys be?
 

Zzoram

Member
Teamliquid Page

MLG Winter Championship in Columbus - Final Day


Toronto, Victory Cafe, 4pm-10:30pm, March 25th, BARCRAFT:

Maybe:
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Pandaman
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scogoth
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mcrae
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What do you guys think?
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
I love fl0wer but I don't wanna pay for a "similar" experience ._. I don't know if Journey is for me.
 

Zzoram

Member
Watching oGsVINES streaming. He's pretty good. Gonna steal his builds.

He just beat GoSuVIBE with 7gate and just got matched to him again.

Second time he beats GoSuVIBE with FFE into 4gate to apply pressure, then got blink and robo as he set up a 3rd, won a decisive battle with forcefields, stalkers targeting corruptors, and colo beating hydra/roach for the win
 

Corran Horn

May the Schwartz be with you
Watching oGsVINES streaming. He's pretty good. Gonna steal his builds.

He just beat GoSuVIBE with 7gate and just got matched to him again.

Ya Ill sometimes watch his stream as Im going to bed, then wake up 7~ hours later and he is still streaming lol.

Its mostly NA ladder though :/
 

Zzoram

Member
Ya Ill sometimes watch his stream as Im going to bed, then wake up 7~ hours later and he is still streaming lol.

Its mostly NA ladder though :/

That's why Koreans are the best. They play like 12 hours a day.

Nestea says he plays 5 hours a day when he's resting, and 12+ hours a day when he's training. Nestea also said that he thinks about strategies a lot when he's resting, so he's still training in his mind.



Many foreigners play like 5 hours a day when they're training.
 

Zzoram

Member
so oGsVINES is defending a 4gate with a 2gate, lol

That shouldn't be possible. He was floating like 400mins most of those last 4 minutes because he couldn't spend it with 2 gates. His micro was just that much better. He never even used forcefield. It was brute force stalker micro.
 

Zzoram

Member
Lol

he defended some scrubby 2gate in-base proxy by matching the zealot count and having better micro

he also stole both his opponent's gases while taking his own so the guy had no transition, and the guy lost his gates so he was hopelessly behind

then he types "y u no play kr?" to which VINES responds "no :]"






I like how VINES doesn't listen to kpop but instead listens to American rock/pop.
 

Zzoram

Member
Blizzard is so lame. Why do they refuse to let us pick what language pack we want to use regardless of our region? I personally think the Korean game sounds are way more badass. Korean units sound way more manly and we should be allowed to pick it in NA. Heck I'd pay $5 for it if they made it a DLC option. Why is Blizzard so retardedly restrictive?
 

cdyhybrid

Member
OK, I seriously cannot beat Protoss. I dunno what else to do. I get a fast third. Hold off his early immortal gateway push. He takes a third. I pump Roach Ling to kill it, but I can't do anything because of the fucking stupid random ass cliffs in the middle of Shakuras. I get clumped up in a choke and can't do any damage to his army. So I expand to my fourth, get Hive, get out a few Infestors. Try and kill his third again, same result, and he has Colossi now. I have to remake Roaches or he can just push and I'll die, so I have no gas for Corruptors. Then he throws in DTs, so I have to put down a spore and 2 spines at every base and constantly make Overseers. I manage to get one Corruptor out before he pushes with his Colossus Immortal Stalker DT army and I just die.

Seriously, what the fuck am I supposed to do?

Edit: Another loss. Get a fast third, he's staying on two bases. Fly an Overseer through his ENTIRE FUCKING BASE and don't see a Robo. Max out on Roach Ling, build spines, wait for the push. He shows up with 4 Immortals and a Gateway army and kills me. I'm going to throw my monitor out a fucking window.
 

Snowman

Member
OK, I seriously cannot beat Protoss. I dunno what else to do. I get a fast third. Hold off his early immortal gateway push. He takes a third. I pump Roach Ling to kill it, but I can't do anything because of the fucking stupid random ass cliffs in the middle of Shakuras. I get clumped up in a choke and can't do any damage to his army. So I expand to my fourth, get Hive, get out a few Infestors. Try and kill his third again, same result, and he has Colossi now. I have to remake Roaches or he can just push and I'll die, so I have no gas for Corruptors. Then he throws in DTs, so I have to put down a spore and 2 spines at every base and constantly make Overseers. I manage to get one Corruptor out before he pushes with his Colossus Immortal Stalker DT army and I just die.

Seriously, what the fuck am I supposed to do?

I feel like you probably lost it when you were pumping units that did no damage :/ Everything that happened after that is just a consequence of getting behind earlier on
 

Zzoram

Member
OK, I seriously cannot beat Protoss. I dunno what else to do. I get a fast third. Hold off his early immortal gateway push. He takes a third. I pump Roach Ling to kill it, but I can't do anything because of the fucking stupid random ass cliffs in the middle of Shakuras. I get clumped up in a choke and can't do any damage to his army. So I expand to my fourth, get Hive, get out a few Infestors. Try and kill his third again, same result, and he has Colossi now. I have to remake Roaches or he can just push and I'll die, so I have no gas for Corruptors. Then he throws in DTs, so I have to put down a spore and 2 spines at every base and constantly make Overseers. I manage to get one Corruptor out before he pushes with his Colossus Immortal Stalker DT army and I just die.

Seriously, what the fuck am I supposed to do?

You should split your army into 2 control groups and when the Protoss attacks you, flank it and attack from all sides.
 

Vaporak

Member
OK, I seriously cannot beat Protoss. I dunno what else to do. I get a fast third. Hold off his early immortal gateway push. He takes a third. I pump Roach Ling to kill it, but I can't do anything because of the fucking stupid random ass cliffs in the middle of Shakuras. I get clumped up in a choke and can't do any damage to his army. So I expand to my fourth, get Hive, get out a few Infestors. Try and kill his third again, same result, and he has Colossi now. I have to remake Roaches or he can just push and I'll die, so I have no gas for Corruptors. Then he throws in DTs, so I have to put down a spore and 2 spines at every base and constantly make Overseers. I manage to get one Corruptor out before he pushes with his Colossus Immortal Stalker DT army and I just die.

Seriously, what the fuck am I supposed to do?

This is one of those times where you have to provide a replay, because if you went fast 3 hatch and he attacked with stalker/immortal and you defended well you've basically won right then. You just make shit and then go kill him.
 

Hazaro

relies on auto-aim
OK, I seriously cannot beat Protoss. I dunno what else to do. I get a fast third. Hold off his early immortal gateway push. He takes a third. I pump Roach Ling to kill it, but I can't do anything because of the fucking stupid random ass cliffs in the middle of Shakuras. I get clumped up in a choke and can't do any damage to his army. So I expand to my fourth, get Hive, get out a few Infestors. Try and kill his third again, same result, and he has Colossi now. I have to remake Roaches or he can just push and I'll die, so I have no gas for Corruptors. Then he throws in DTs, so I have to put down a spore and 2 spines at every base and constantly make Overseers. I manage to get one Corruptor out before he pushes with his Colossus Immortal Stalker DT army and I just die.

Seriously, what the fuck am I supposed to do?
Make drones then get 180 supply of roaches and kill P when he has 120 and 1-2 collo/tech units.

Fast third is relative. Was it started sub 6:30?

Go watch some Stephano or GSL matches ZvP yo
 

cdyhybrid

Member
You should split your army into 2 control groups and when the Protoss attacks you, flank it and attack from all sides.

Wouldn't have mattered. His ball was fucking invincible in that spot.

This is one of those times where you have to provide a replay, because if you went fast 3 hatch and he attacked with stalker/immortal and you defended well you've basically won right then. You just make shit and then go kill him.

I couldn't make shit and kill him because I wouldn't have been able to break his wall. Immortals are too strong.

Make drones then get 180 supply of roaches and kill P when he has 120 and 1-2 collo/tech units.

Fast third is relative. Was it started sub 6:30?

Go watch some Stephano or GSL matches ZvP yo

Yes, he did some stupid pylon + Gateway shit at my nat but the second and third both went up before 5 minutes, I believe.
 

Q8D3vil

Member
OK, I seriously cannot beat Protoss. I dunno what else to do. I get a fast third. Hold off his early immortal gateway push. He takes a third. I pump Roach Ling to kill it, but I can't do anything because of the fucking stupid random ass cliffs in the middle of Shakuras. I get clumped up in a choke and can't do any damage to his army. So I expand to my fourth, get Hive, get out a few Infestors. Try and kill his third again, same result, and he has Colossi now. I have to remake Roaches or he can just push and I'll die, so I have no gas for Corruptors. Then he throws in DTs, so I have to put down a spore and 2 spines at every base and constantly make Overseers. I manage to get one Corruptor out before he pushes with his Colossus Immortal Stalker DT army and I just die.

Seriously, what the fuck am I supposed to do?

Edit: Another loss. Get a fast third, he's staying on two bases. Fly an Overseer through his ENTIRE FUCKING BASE and don't see a Robo. Max out on Roach Ling, build spines, wait for the push. He shows up with 4 Immortals and a Gateway army and kills me. I'm going to throw my monitor out a fucking window.
sounds like you dont know when to transition into better tech.
 
This discussion will go in circles because we're discussing hypotheticals instead of real situations. If you just post a replay we can give you advice based on what actually happened and that would be of way more use than the general sort of advice you will get this way.

Edit: If you don't know how to do ling roach why not try mutas or infestor or something else? Try and find a style that suits you, stop trying to fit a square into a circle and force a style you aren't good at.
 

cdyhybrid

Member
First game

Second game

I know I screwed up a lot of stuff, but it feels like I have to play perfectly and be fucking Nestea to beat a fucking Platinum Protoss. Of course, I'm getting Protoss every fucking game now, just like I was getting Terran every game a week or two ago when I had no idea how to ZvT.
 

Hazaro

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First game

Second game

I know I screwed up a lot of stuff, but it feels like I have to play perfectly and be fucking Nestea to beat a fucking Platinum Protoss. Of course, I'm getting Protoss every fucking game now, just like I was getting Terran every game a week or two ago when I had no idea how to ZvT.
Didn't watch but you just have to attack with roaches off 3 base. That's it.
Immortals are good but so is infinity roaches streamed into his base.

Where are there two games? Same scenario?
 

Snowman

Member
First game

Second game

I know I screwed up a lot of stuff, but it feels like I have to play perfectly and be fucking Nestea to beat a fucking Platinum Protoss. Of course, I'm getting Protoss every fucking game now, just like I was getting Terran every game a week or two ago when I had no idea how to ZvT.

You waited too long to attack his third. Why were your units running all across the map? Plus you totally messed up the engagement when it actually happened, your roaches weren't even attacking :/
 

cdyhybrid

Member
Didn't watch but you just have to attack with roaches off 3 base. That's it.
Immortals are good but so is infinity roaches streamed into his base.

Where are there two games? Same scenario?

First game is the one I described above. Second one I just die to the Immortal Gateway push.

You waited too long to attack his third. Why were your units running all across the map? Plus you totally messed up the engagement when it actually happened, your roaches weren't even attacking :/

I was really scared of him dropping me so I kept checking my fourth, and I wanted to make sure he didn't take the "normal" third.

Can't even win ZvZ now =\ Our mutas pop at the same time but his somehow manage to get past my OLs without me seeing them and he starts killing my Drones with my Mutas in the middle of the map =\
 

Snowman

Member
First game is the one I described above. Second one I just die to the Immortal Gateway push.



I was really scared of him dropping me so I kept checking my fourth, and I wanted to make sure he didn't take the "normal" third.

Can't even win ZvZ now =\ Our mutas pop at the same time but his somehow manage to get past my OLs without me seeing them and he starts killing my Drones with my Mutas in the middle of the map =\

How was he gonna drop you when you just killed his whole army? Just check the xel'naga, you can see if he's expanded where he did from there, and if not, then check the other bases :) And you don't need to send your whole army to check for things, just a ling or two will do the job.

The second game you engaged in a really bad spot and he micro'd pretty well, you should have sat back at the spines if you thought the push was coming..
 

Snowman

Member
Hahahahahahha. Getting matched against silver players now. There's no hope for me, is there?

Seems like you've got a bit of a mental/attitude problem at the minute dude, take a break for a couple of days, watch some streams or some games from the last couple of tournaments and start afresh this weekend or something? Might help a bit anyways :)
 

Hazaro

relies on auto-aim
I was really scared of him dropping me so I kept checking my fourth, and I wanted to make sure he didn't take the "normal" third.

Can't even win ZvZ now =\ Our mutas pop at the same time but his somehow manage to get past my OLs without me seeing them and he starts killing my Drones with my Mutas in the middle of the map =\
P? Drop? What they hell is he going to drop that you can't kill in 10 seconds after you obliterate his shitty army with 100 food of roaches?

Z beats P just by pure amounts of shit before P gets the death splash damage of tech.
Or go muta.

I'm no ZvP expert but it seems like you aren't putting enough importance on making tons of shit and winning an engagement at the right time. That's 80% of it right there.
 

profit

Member
Seems like you've got a bit of a mental/attitude problem at the minute dude, take a break for a couple of days, watch some streams or some games from the last couple of tournaments and start afresh this weekend or something? Might help a bit anyways :)

This is very good advice. Most likely you'll come back to the game a lot more comfortable (I do everytime when I take a short break)
 
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