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[PhoenixDark]

I'm not sure Blizzard can fix their Korean problems unless they fix the overall problems that vex SC2 in general. Namely poor Blizzard support and Bnet 2. Riot and Valve are winning hearts and minds with impressive game support for their titles. Constant updates, customization, etc. It's time Blizzard scrapped the blueprint that says letting mistakes or limitations fester for months is fine, as long as they're addressed by some late patch or new expansion. I realize they can't create new maps every day, or patch changes every week, but it's high time they nipped things in the bud faster.

Blizzard lost a lot of money due to BW, we all get that. But that doesn't justify their focus on squeezing all freedom out of SC2. Eventually we're going to get to a point where tournaments can't justify paying Blizzard large fees just for the opportunity to lose money with an expensive tournament. It's high time Blizz decided to actually foster community, not rely on TL or others to do so.

 

[Pandaman]

blizzard lost money on brood war, wut?

 

[Yoshichan]

I agree that SC2 needs more casual modes. I really do think that Blizzard will give us more with the release of HotS. They're already improving Bnet so.....

 

[PhoenixDark]

blizzard lost money on brood war, wut?

Potential revenue lost due to pirating, lack of control of the BW esports scene, licensing, etc.

 

[Holden]

Potential revenue lost due to pirating, lack of control of the BW esports scene, licensing, etc.

didn't it sell a million copys in the first week/month (?). Which was a fuck ton for 1998

 

[Pandaman]

didn't it sell a million copys in the first week/month (?). Which was a fuck ton for 1998

its the third best selling pc game of all time, behind the sims and the sims 2.

 

[Holden]

its the third best selling pc game of all time, behind the sims and the sims 2.

jesus

 

[PhoenixDark]

I'm saying Blizzard lost money due to piracy and esports licensing, not that the game wasn't profitable. SC2 was created to avoid that problem, and I feel Blizzard has gone too far.

 

[Corran Horn]

its the third best selling pc game of all time, behind the sims and the sims 2.

But but but potential imaginary money!

 

[Pandaman]

I'm saying Blizzard lost money due to piracy and esports licensing, not that the game wasn't profitable. SC2 was created to avoid that problem, and I feel Blizzard has gone too far.

Yes, blizzard lost money they never earned.

 

[fanboi]

I'm saying Blizzard lost money due to piracy and esports licensing, not that the game wasn't profitable. SC2 was created to avoid that problem, and I feel Blizzard has gone too far.

From a consumer POV, I dont feel like it.

From a business POV, hell no.

 

[AmFreak]

Blizzard also needs to fix 2v2 and 3v3 by putting in some non-shit maps. Those are the most popular modes because people like playing with friends, so ignoring those map pools is a damn foolish thing to do. SC2 needs those casual modes to maintain player interest to increase potential viewership.

And the problem is you can only play their shitty maps cause of the fucked up custom game system. There were huge numbers of people playing BGH, FME and Hunters on Bw. There is nothing of this sort in SC2 cause if you would open such a game you would die before getting enough players to start the game.

didn't it sell a million copys in the first week/month (?). Which was a fuck ton for 1998

Last number i heard somewhere was close to 10 million.

 

[TheThunder]

I'm saying Blizzard lost money due to piracy and esports licensing, not that the game wasn't profitable. SC2 was created to avoid that problem, and I feel Blizzard has gone too far.

SC2 was cracked on week 1, so that whole "no LAN no piracy" gambit failed miserably.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Yes, blizzard lost money they never earned.

I see I can't talk business with Canadians, except for Splinter

 

[Corran Horn]

And the problem is you can only play their shitty maps cause of the fucked up custom game system. There were huge numbers of people playing BGH, FME and Hunters on Bw. There is nothing of this sort in SC2 cause if you would open such a game you would die before getting enough players to start the game.



Last number i heard somewhere was close to 10 million.

Monobattles future.

 

[Zzoram]

I'm saying Blizzard lost money due to piracy and esports licensing, not that the game wasn't profitable. SC2 was created to avoid that problem, and I feel Blizzard has gone too far.

I actually think they didn't lose that much money due to piracy and no esports license fees.

Esports is not a profitable business. It's a break-even marketing platform. Trying to squeeze it for money when it is still either a money losing or break-even business was incredibly short sighted. All they did was harm the free marketing that esports gave their game.

As for money lost to piracy, I think sales gained because of Broodwar being a legendary esport more than offsets piracy. Also, most of the people who pirated the game would've never bought it anyways.

 

[Pandaman]

I see I can't talk business with Canadians, except for Splinter

splinters the only canadian cruel enough to be sympathetic to businesses not bleeding customers for maximum damage.

 

[Zzoram]

Teamliquid Page

MLG Winter Championship in Columbus - Final Day

Mississauga, TheNix's via Go Bus, 2pm-10:30pm, March 25th, HOUSECRAFT:

Going:
TheNiX

Zzoram

Pandaman

Maybe:
scogoth

Not Going:
Spl1nter

mcrae

hoverX

 

[Corran Horn]

I bet alot of pirated copies were people who bought the game and lost the disc lol.

Esports wouldn't had made blizzard any more significant money.

 

[Holden]

I bet alot of pirated copies were people who bought the game and lost the disc lol.

Esports wouldn't had made blizzard any more significant money.

aka me, i still got the box ( with the cd-key) had to pirate it until i could put it on battle.net so i can "officialy" download it.

And i remember that my broodwar CD didn't require a cd-key lol;


Edit : And the number was on the back of the box, so you could just wright the number down at the store or w.e and then just pirate it. lol;

 

[Deadly]

From a consumer POV, I dont feel like it.

From a business POV, hell no.

Even from a business POV they've gone a bit too far. Trying to squeeze out the maximum revenue from esports with Kespa has soured their relationship so far. I'm sure had they not made too many demands we'd already have a SC2 Proleague.

 

[jasonng]

I heard Gaf was ogling a hot blonde at the Toronto meetup. You got her number right splinter?

 

[fanboi]

Even from a business POV they've gone a bit too far. Trying to squeeze out the maximum revenue from esports with Kespa has soured their relationship so far. I'm sure had they not made too many demands we'd already have a SC2 Proleague.

More and more business are make that extra % profit from selling services. Its happening within every industry from mass produce steel to gaming.

Of course we could always say that services are "services" which may or may not be included in the original product.

 

[OrangeYouGlad]

so just sleeze nix's computer or mine and i can 'coach' you both.

If there is time or it ends super early, I have my computer and the computer hooked up to the tv which is very much capable of playing SC2.

My work laptop might be able to handle it too. Yay non-onboard video.

 

[Spl1nter]

I heard Gaf was ogling a hot blonde at the Toronto meetup. You got her number right splinter?

Toronto GAF has bad standards.

 

[jasonng]

Lawwwwwwwwwwwl.

 

[Deadly]

More and more business are make that extra % profit from selling services. Its happening within every industry from mass produce steel to gaming.

Of course we could always say that services are "services" which may or may not be included in the original product.

Of course I'm not disagreeing with that at all but had they just taken a lighter approach it might've gone better

 

[Q8D3vil]

nony mechanics are so bad, his mechanics are probably as bad as goody.

 

[TheThunder]

Demuslim split his bio just as the crowd cheered...

great sound proofing bro

 

[Pancakes]

Demuslim split his bio just as the crowd cheered...

great sound proofing bro

Yea that was rather...convenient.

 

[scogoth]

Im 80% going to housecraft

 

[Paches]

Workers stuck behind turrets, queens not reacting to banshees...

Yep, this is a foreigner heavy tournament.

 

[OrangeYouGlad]

Well, at least she's there to even out the matches.

 

[Tashi]

You guys watch the RedBull LAN? How was it?

 

[Paches]

Polt vs State next, tune in for a blood bath.

 

[Keikaku]

You guys watch the RedBull LAN? How was it?

I enjoyed it.

The really great thing about it was that it was very clearly for training purposes so one player would play the same build or a set of builds with the same objective and then the other player would respond in different ways, trying to see how to play against it. I found it very interesting.

 

[OrangeYouGlad]

Zoom... zooooom.. JAGGY PAN.. zoom.. zoom.. JAGGY PAN.. ZOOOOOOM!

 

[kazabi]

 

[PhoenixDark]

You guys watch the RedBull LAN? How was it?

too much Day9 for me

 

[OrangeYouGlad]

Polt vs State next, tune in for a blood bath.

That was.. depressing.

 

[Deadman]

Just skip to stephano vs polt, all these other matches dont matter.

 

[TheThunder]

Just skip to stephano vs polt, all these other matches dont matter.

a Polt, Violet, Stephano 3 player mini tournament would be better.

 

[Paches]

Just skip to stephano vs polt, all these other matches dont matter.

Yeah, the whole brackets thing is just a formality to that match.

 

[Pancakes]

Zealots stuck in minerals while immortals are firing at each other with zero micro.

Fun fun fun.

 

[Deadman]

2012 results

Idra

6 wins - 27 losses (18.18%)

Incontrol

21 wins - 29 losses (42.00%)

lulz

 

[OrangeYouGlad]

2012 results

Idra

6 wins - 27 losses (18.18%)

Incontrol

21 wins - 29 losses (42.00%)

lulz

What the.. I don't even...

Where do you find these stats? My friend keeps insisting Idra is good, so I must share these stats with him.

 

[PhoenixDark]

I'm very curious to see how Idra does when he's fully back in the US/EU tournament circuit I haven't see too much ZvT from him (he did pretty good against MVP in GSL), but his ZvP has been atrocious. ZvZ is still his strong suit, but I doubt he could compete with Stephano or even Nerchio.

I had hoped the Korean trip would refine many areas of his game but it seems like he has just gotten slower, more bitter, and fallen behind the ZvP metagame

 

[Deadman]

What the.. I don't even...

Where do you find these stats? My friend keeps insisting Idra is good, so I must share these stats with him.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/tlpd_select.php

Korean ones covers all games in korea, international all games outside. Players can appear in both lists but only games played in the relevant region will show up on that list.

The ones i posted were international. Idra is 1-10 (9.09%) in korea in 2012. Incontrol hasnt played any.

 

[OrangeYouGlad]

Thanks for the link!

Man, Grubby looks like he just came off a drug bender.

 

[AmFreak]

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/tlpd_select.php

Korean ones covers all games in korea, international all games outside. Players can appear in both lists but only games played in the relevant region will show up on that list.

The ones i posted were international. Idra is 1-10 (9.09%) in korea in 2012. Incontrol hasnt played any.

But to be fair Idra's opponents have a much higher average skill, so it's not really suprising he lost more than InControl.