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[Corran Horn]

*turns on incontrols stream*
-AFK with webcam staring at nothing

*checks it out a bit later*
-observer strifeco vs axslav or something like that....

*goes back to stream an hour later*
-He is playing with dog in background

*goes back an hour later again*
-Nothing...OH WAIT....he is doing AMA now to "kill time"


sigh...wait hero is streaming wtf ;;

 

[Holden]

-Drama with brother.

just played a game with him, dunno what your talking about

 

[PhoenixDark]

Just watched the Stephano/Grubby games. Damn, Carriers are worse than I thought lmao

 

[Corran Horn]

Xeris posting some info on salaries in this thread about Golden leaving SlayerS...interesting stuff I guess
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303605

This is absolutely true, most of the Koreans you see here on TL with the "I'm leaving my awesome Korean team to find a foreign team," usually have the following:

a) little/no significant results
b) very unrealistic expectations of how much money foreigners have
c) even more unrealistic salary expectations
d) little / no desire to actually go out and find a team (they just expect offers to come to them)

Apparently this is bad form, but it's been quoted anywho... welp ~_~

So crazy -- its why almost all the Koreans who post about looking for foreign team, still haven't found one T_T

On January 16 2012 16:42 Xeris wrote:
I.E. I know when I was still with Fnatic, we approached Sleep, and he was asking for something in the range of $1.5k .. I know Sangho is currently looking for something along the lines of $3k .

Wow those are pretty high numbers. 0_o

Anyone that pays $3k for SangHo is out of their minds.

Hence why neither of them have found teams.

Monthly (not daily, lulz )

Those figures are NOT close to being what most pros actually make, mind you.

Salary ranges are like:

GOD1 -- probably an even ungodlier amount! (jk i actually have no clue, but I'm making an assumption that his personal intel sponsorship is huge)

GOD2 -- ungodly amount

TIER 1 players -- around 30-50k per year range (rough estimate)

TIER 2 -- around 15-25k per year range

High skilled but less "famous" pros (aka TIER 3) -- probably 5-10k per year range

Most pro contracts have the salary + sponsor gear + flights paid for. I'm sure some people who go to Korea also have living expenses paid.

So MOSTLY, the salary is just pocketed by the player. Plus if youre a pro, realistically you are: in your late teens / early 20's... don't have much to spend your money on anyways, so making anywhere from 10-50k is pretty sick and much more than most people of comparable age make unless they're engineers

edit: also dragon is leaving slayers Although that really didnt do much for him

@slayersdragon
Jeon YongSoo
i leave SlayersTeam T_T

 

[Q8D3vil]

Monthly (not daily, lulz )

Those figures are NOT close to being what most pros actually make, mind you.

Salary ranges are like:

GOD1 Boxer -- probably an even ungodlier amount! (jk i actually have no clue, but I'm making an assumption that his personal intel sponsorship is huge)

GOD2 -HUK- ungodly amount

TIER 1 players -Idra-Puma-Naniwa- around 30-50k per year range (rough estimate)

TIER 2 -Select/Morrow- around 15-25k per year range

High skilled but less "famous" pros (aka TIER 3) -- probably 5-10k per year range

i read it before he edited out.
there was other tier2 players but i don't remember them.

 

[fanboi]

i read it before he edited out.
there was other tier2 players but i don't remember them.

idra and huk is one same paygrade from what I heard

 

[Deadly]

Boxer was obvious from the mention of the Intel sponsorship. I also assumed Huk was second. Sucks for guys like MVP and Nestea. It's a good thing they earn alot of tournament money.

 

[Deadman]

I always imagined that huk and idra were on 60k, seems i was kinda close

 

[Holden]

idra and huk both stated that they earn from salary a 6 digit number.

 

[Deadly]

idra and huk both stated that they earn from salary a 6 digit number.

Huk seems to be from rumours but Idra too? Damn. I thought he'd be more of the top tier guy. I mean when he was signed with EG wasn't he just the guy that trained in Korea fulltime? Guess they had alot of expectations from him and they came out all true or even better..

 

[Q8D3vil]

idra probably had 2 contract, one when he joined eg and other one at 2011 end.

 

[Pandaman]

Huk seems to be from rumours but Idra too? Damn. I thought he'd be more of the top tier guy. I mean when he was signed with EG wasn't he just the guy that trained in Korea fulltime? Guess they had alot of expectations from him and they came out all true or even better..

and the best foreigner brood war player of all time.

 

[Holden]

and the best foreigner brood war player of all time.

as much as i love idra, there still is elky and grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[TheExodu5]

So...what do I do against mass sentry/stalker as Zerg? I just got demolished because there was absolutely nothing I could do against forcefields. My main was cut off for several minutes while he whittled down my expansion.

 

[Tashi]

Why aren't reapers used in the meaty part of an army? You would think they could cause a lot of trouble by climbing on to cliffs and even darting off into the opponents base.

 

[TheExodu5]

Why aren't reapers used in the meaty part of an army? You would think they could cause a lot of trouble by climbing on to cliffs and even darting off into the opponents base.

I assume because medivacs + marines are a much better and more versatile harassment option.

 

[Q8D3vil]

Why aren't reapers used in the meaty part of an army? You would think they could cause a lot of trouble by climbing on to cliffs and even darting off into the opponents base.

-extremely long build time for 1 food unit.
-need techlab.

thorzain did a crazy mass reaper in SCI4 and it worked but the protoss attacked at an extremely bad angle.

 

[zoukka]

So...what do I do against mass sentry/stalker as Zerg? I just got demolished because there was absolutely nothing I could do against forcefields. My main was cut off for several minutes while he whittled down my expansion.

You just have to scout when the push will come and start roach production in time. Spines will help in lower leagues so much.

 

[TheExodu5]

You just have to scout when the push will come and start roach production in time. Spines will help in lower leagues so much.

That's basically what I did...I guess I just didn't have my spines far out enough, as he was able to get in range of my main ramp.

 

[zoukka]

That's basically what I did...I guess I just didn't have my spines far out enough, as he was able to get in range of my main ramp.

Also in dire situations, drones can really wreck sentries and stalkers with roaches.

 

[Pandaman]

Also in dire situations, drones can really wreck sentries and stalkers with roaches.

On my command all drones will line up and file directly into the alien death cannons, clogging them with wreckage.

 

[zoukka]

On my command all drones will line up and file directly into the alien death cannons, clogging them with wreckage.

You need good control of course.

 

[TheExodu5]

I guess at the very least my loss was due mostly to control and not macro. That's comforting.

I did my placement matched and placed platinum...I figured I shouldn't have placed so high but I've been doing okay since. Beat a Diamond ranked player and just lost to that 1st rank Platinum. Can't be too unhappy about that.

Oh, and did they remove losses in the stats now? I'm assuming that's their solution to the competitive intimidation factor facing a lot of players?

 

[Apus]

So...what do I do against mass sentry/stalker as Zerg? I just got demolished because there was absolutely nothing I could do against forcefields. My main was cut off for several minutes while he whittled down my expansion.

Assuming this is the bog standard 6 gate push, one hard counter to it is burrowed Roaches. The standard 6 gate typically doesn't come with a Robo Bay as it slows it down too much (there are variation that do come with a Robo, however) so without detection against burrow Roaches the Toss eithier loses then and there or has to immediately back up and get detection.

Really you need to scout to see what kind of push it is and react that way. 3-4 Spines will never go amiss against any kind of 6 gate. I think the main key is to just be patient. Try and engage him early to bait out some FFs and generally slow the push down and then once he's at your door don't just get a rush of blood and attack straight away. It's a powerful push so you have to be very careful about how you engage it.

 

[Pandaman]

You need good control of course.

you really think that?

 

[ShallNoiseUpon]

as much as i love idra, there still is elky and grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

lol no. Grr didn't even use hotkeys.

 

[Corran Horn]

 

[Pandaman]

d'awwwwwww

 

[Hazaro]

When:
5 minutes.

Where:
http://www.esvtv.com/ or
TL.net

What:

 

[Deadman]

4-0 idra ez

 

[Hazaro]

2-0 Taeja
Maybe 3-0

 

[jasonng]

My boy Tae Ja's got this.

Spoiler

Never seen this guy played

 

[ShallNoiseUpon]

2-0 Taeja
Maybe 3-0

How does one win a BO7 2-0?

 

[Pancakes]

When:
5 minutes.

Where:
http://www.esvtv.com/ or
TL.net

What:

Taeja fighting!

 

[jasonng]

How does one win a BO7 2-0?

Fucking Koreans, man.

 

[Tntnnbltn]

How does one win a BO7 2-0?

Idra gets cheesed twice in a row.

 

[Hazaro]

How does one win a BO7 2-0?

By playing against Idra

 

[ShallNoiseUpon]

God dammit GIS.

 

[Hazaro]

OH BOY HERE WE GO

 

[Deadman]

the colours mod they use is so very ugly


also lol

 

[Deadly]

First game no gg from Idra trolololol

 

[jasonng]

TaeJa already going for the tilt. Smart move.

 

[Hazaro]

2 rax forever. Even if it fails IdrA will probably just leave the game anyway. Taeja has things to do.

 

[ShallNoiseUpon]

Oh Greggors.

 

[jasonng]

Wow. Solid second game, surprised IdrA couldn't keep up.

 

[Deadman]

"oh some thors, i shall simply fly my mutas over these 40 marines so i can magic box them"


anyone know when these matches took place?

edit: found out, it was just after he got to korea.

 

[Hazaro]

"oh some thors, i shall simply fly my mutas over these 40 marines so i can magic box them"


anyone know when these matches took place?

He already gave up since he had equal food which meant 40 food more terran army.
Backstab cleaned up units but couldn't deal enough damage to buildings and then come back to defend the third. It was a good move, but marines inbetween buildings are too strong yo.

 

[Deadman]

He already gave up since he had equal food which meant 40 food more terran army.
Backstab cleaned up units but couldn't deal enough damage to buildings and then come back to defend the third. It was a good move, but marines inbetween buildings are too strong yo.

Yeah when people crash a load of banes in to scvs it makes me die a little inside, its never worth it unless its like 2 for 20. Most of the time they spend every bane killing scvs and then they lose the game shortly after.

 

[Hazaro]

Yeah when people crash a load of banes in to scvs it makes me die a little inside, its never worth it unless its like 2 for 20. Most of the time they spend every bane killing scvs and then they lose the game shortly after.

Not much else to do with them since marines will just pop and target them though :/

Maybe lay some mines on the way / retreat?

Good TvZ always looks impossible to defend against. Mainly because Zergs don't split their banes and engage right, but still.
Every time I see 20 banes rolling together it actually means that they want to lose. There is no excuse. NONE

Finally some roach pressure/all-in.
Zerg all-ins, looks like Terran early pressure.

 

[Deadman]

Kill 15 workers, be behind :lol