the autopsy report cited cause of death as homicide by force to the neck and chest. choking isn't even allowed in the police. it makes no sense.
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the autopsy report cited cause of death as homicide by force to the neck and chest. choking isn't even allowed in the police. it makes no sense.
I am not proud of this country, now more than ever.
chertipros
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Saw a TON of protestors around 34th street earlier tonight. Were probably on their way to time square but there was a ton of police around so I wonder if they were able to make it there without getting disbanded
King Tubby
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Does not make any sense. Very disappointed.
A Human Becoming
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Near the George Washington Bridge in Harlem.
I'll give the NYPD credit for letting the protesters (mostly) do their own thing. This hasn't gone full Ferguson, but that may have to do with the economics and education level of the NYC metro area than anything else. Protesters aren't antagonizing, and the NYPD aren't a complete bunch of gun-toting assholes like in Ferguson.
GoldenEye 007
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Isn't there history during the 1960s civil rights era where federal prosecutors would step in with Deprivation of Civil Rights charges against people when local jurisdictions refused to adequately investigate such crimes against blacks?
http://sinasdramis.com/michigan-per...l-rights/constitutional-rights-violation-case
http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/242fin.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enforcement_Act_of_1871_(third_act) (Civil Rights Act of 1871) and I'm sure later Civil Rights Acts of the 1960s.
TacticalFox88
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What fantasy NYPD have you been dealing with?
What do you mean?
Wasn't it the police and how they responded in Ferguson that originally caused the rioting? I mean, these were the same police that intentionally aimed at journalists...
I think the NYPD is too smart to realize having a repeat of that is a major fucking uh oh.
Christopher
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Less outside protesters in the city compared to Ferguson, but yeah they're doing a good job of being heard in a manner that really gains support for their cause. This is going to be insane for De Blasio to deal with.
It might have to do with how New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio feels about the whole situation. He said this during a press conference at 5:36pm.
“It conforms to something bigger that you’ve heard come out from the protests in Ferguson and all over the country. This is now a national moment of grief, a national moment of pain, and searching for a solution. And you’ve heard from so many places of people with different backgrounds utter the same basic phrase, they’ve said ‘black lives matter’. And they said the phrase had to be said. It’s a phrase that never had to be said, it should be self-evident. But sadly, our history requires us to say that ‘black lives matter’. Because of words I’ve said the other day, we’re not just dealing with a problem in 2014, we’re not dealing with years of racism leading up to it or decades of racism, we’re dealing with centuries of racism that has brought us to this day. That is how profound the crisis is”- my pvr
I guess that's what I'm saying. The NYPD is not stupid enough to instigate with the protesters. Which deserves some recognition, although 99% of that applause goes to the protesters for being so organized, disruptive, and communicative of their cause.
It will definitely gain support in the coming days. I may even head out there Friday to report on it if I have the money.
No, because the feds would be going with federal law and look at civil rights and federal level crimes. They use a different law book than the State Prosecutor.
call_kotaku
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NYPD are pretty notorious for being aggressive and generally dickish. For example, when I was at a rooftop party at a loft building in college they came in, cleared us off the roof, and while we were on the sidewalk cut all the wires for the speakers we set up and poured all our beer down from the roof. They didn't even steal anything, just did some petty ass dick shit for no reason.
I understand what you were trying to say, though. NYPD might be assholes but they aren't as stupid as the law enforcement in Ferguson.
It's like people don't get that Black and Hispanic people are greeted with more suspicion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRZM9I7Psxs
I'm not a fan of this. The law should apply equally to everyone.
People need to start voting. People will try and say its worthless but the prosecutor is an extremely powerful elected official in almost every state.
Having said that I was pretty down on violence in reaction to the ferguson ruling but I am at a loss here. I am pretty old and have seen racial tension rise and fall but it really does seem to me we are at some sort of new high water mark. I can't blame anyone for torching a cop car tonight.
Have the Feds followed the Garner case since the beginning? I haven't kept up with the incident as much as I have with Ferguson and the Walmart shooting.
That's pretty common for most police departments when it comes to college parties. I've certainly been in those types of situations a number of times.
Doesn't look like it. They just announced today they will look into it.
He was breaking the law seems to be the defense. As if that auto justifies murder. These people make me sick.
This Tumblr provides info on upcoming protests across the country in response:
http://fergusonresponse.tumblr.com/
http://fergusonresponse.tumblr.com/
Yeah the protesters are doing a great job.
I do think the big thing is the black population of New York is so large compared to Ferguson itself, People aren't going to mess up their hometown; so if this happened in let's say a suburb in NJ, I think there would be more of the unsavory stuff.
Christopher
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Ironically a majority of the protestors aren't black
GoldenEye 007
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Maybe. But I wonder if the law can apply if there are established patterns within the department against blacks and as an officer, he was part of that. I know there are stats out there detailing how the NYPD disproportionally targets, arrests, and harasses blacks.
Deprivation of Civil Rights Under Color of Law: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/242
Color of Law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_(law)
Foxy Fox 39
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How is that Ironic? Do you know how demographics work?
Actually, it looks like the cop in question had a history of complaints of racially motivated abuse, so that might be an angle the feds can leverage.
This case should be disturbing to everyone. While yes this is a racial issue that should get everyone angry even if white, this case shows that prosecutors and courts will cover up any wrong doing against a citizen. This case shows that not even evidence can give you justice if it's someone in the system (since they are protected). This case is insane and should trouble everyone even race issues aside.
I would hope anyone regardless of skin color would be enraged at this.
Edit: nvm saw your post below.
Christopher
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Calm yourself. I'm just making an observation in what I see, not making a social commentary or need an education on demographics.
DontBeThatGuy
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i sold loose cigarettes every day before school(no allegedly needed), 25 cents a pop, therefore I deserve to die
So how is it ironic?
Local groups, to my knowledge. For instance, in San Antonio, we have SATX4Ferguson that is the local group leading the charge on this particular issue. I follow their Twitter and already know about their protest but see it in that Tumblr, and it was through another local group I follow that I found out about them.
Christopher
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Because of how the media is playing the racial aspect of it, but it turns out everyone seems to be angry.
Foxy Fox 39
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oh boy ... Not only was there nothing uncalm about my post but then instead of answering the question you come up with some lame answer.
Christopher what are you doing to your keyboard.
Peter King has made no secret of his bigotry. I'm not surprised in the least.
Francokid1
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The protesters chanting "How do you spell racist?" "NYPD"
Racial aspect of the protests or the obvious racism that was just displayed by our justice system?
Christopher
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I don't know! I'm cold lol but it's great to see the calm protests I was afraid that it was going to be Ferguson but it's calm and cool to see so many people united over something that they feel strong about.
There are animals that are better protected than my people.
Don't get me wrong, animals deserve love and protection, but it really saddens me that I will see many non blacks get mouth frothingly furious at a crime perpetrated on an animal, but these same people can barely muster a "meh" for a crime perpetrated on a black male that results in his death.
I think it's obvious that "thug" is now code for "nigger" judging by the way it's used by people these days.
With that said, I want to say to all the non blacks that are just as disgusted by the injustice going on, and feel powerless to do anything about it: welcome to our world, but also, by simply being empathetic to these issues, you are doing something. By being able to step outside of your own box of personal experience, and looking at someone else's experience, and instead of dismissing it, empathizing with them? That's not nothing.
Arguing with ignorant family and friends, even when you know they won't see your perspective is something. We aren't asking you to go out and protest, or fight for us, but if your empathy is that strong that it leads you down those roads, it's certainly appreciated, and more power to you. It certainly means a lot to me, personally.
The discussion about racism that blacks so desperately want to have isn't about guilting or shaming white people that have done nothing wrong. It's not about keeping a divide between us, but about raising awareness if a systemic problem that has been allowed to permeate our society at every level. We want to be heard and taken seriously, and not constantly dismissed and ignored, or told that we're probably being overly sensitive and looking too hard for things to be outraged about.
No amount of studies, charts, graphs, etc seem to be enough for a society that has simply allowed blacks to be devalued and dehumanized since the moment they set foot in this country. The reason why some people can watch a video of a black man being choked to death by a police officer, and feel it was completely justified is because they don't see black people as human to begin with. They don't even see us as an animal to be protected. We are savages. We are rabid. We are dangerous. So when one, ten, a hundred of us are killed, they see it as completely acceptable. We aren't worth saving or attempting to save, and the less of us there are, the better.
I'm too exhausted by constantly having to prove that I'm a human being; on my best behavior so as not to "scare the white folks," that I just can't get angry over this stuff any more. Just sadness. A deep, profound sadness. I honestly don't know why I even bother.
Don't get me wrong, animals deserve love and protection, but it really saddens me that I will see many non blacks get mouth frothingly furious at a crime perpetrated on an animal, but these same people can barely muster a "meh" for a crime perpetrated on a black male that results in his death.
I think it's obvious that "thug" is now code for "nigger" judging by the way it's used by people these days.
With that said, I want to say to all the non blacks that are just as disgusted by the injustice going on, and feel powerless to do anything about it: welcome to our world, but also, by simply being empathetic to these issues, you are doing something. By being able to step outside of your own box of personal experience, and looking at someone else's experience, and instead of dismissing it, empathizing with them? That's not nothing.
Arguing with ignorant family and friends, even when you know they won't see your perspective is something. We aren't asking you to go out and protest, or fight for us, but if your empathy is that strong that it leads you down those roads, it's certainly appreciated, and more power to you. It certainly means a lot to me, personally.
The discussion about racism that blacks so desperately want to have isn't about guilting or shaming white people that have done nothing wrong. It's not about keeping a divide between us, but about raising awareness if a systemic problem that has been allowed to permeate our society at every level. We want to be heard and taken seriously, and not constantly dismissed and ignored, or told that we're probably being overly sensitive and looking too hard for things to be outraged about.
No amount of studies, charts, graphs, etc seem to be enough for a society that has simply allowed blacks to be devalued and dehumanized since the moment they set foot in this country. The reason why some people can watch a video of a black man being choked to death by a police officer, and feel it was completely justified is because they don't see black people as human to begin with. They don't even see us as an animal to be protected. We are savages. We are rabid. We are dangerous. So when one, ten, a hundred of us are killed, they see it as completely acceptable. We aren't worth saving or attempting to save, and the less of us there are, the better.
I'm too exhausted by constantly having to prove that I'm a human being; on my best behavior so as not to "scare the white folks," that I just can't get angry over this stuff any more. Just sadness. A deep, profound sadness. I honestly don't know why I even bother.
Vincent Alexander
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This makes me more sad than anything. That you have to say "your people." I'm white. And your people are my people. And yet, I completely understand. We are and we aren't the same people. So frustrating. Just a fucked up world we live in. But we can do better.
I don't know why, but I wasn't very fired up about all of this, until the lack of indictments were announced. And now I couldn't be more pissed.
The responses to his twitter are fantastic.
But yeah, GOP outreach to minorities is pretty much over with. Their responses to both Ferguson and this situation (not to mention the big middle finger they've given to Hispanics) have been pretty deplorable.
jamesinclair
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"U/D Brooklyn: Fulton St & Ralph The perp in custody in regards to setting 6 cars and 1 police car fire @NYCFirewire" - NY Scanner @NYScanner
http://pix11.com/2014/12/03/car-set-on-fire-outside-77th-precinct-in-brooklyn/
Current protests
http://www.ustream.tv/uneditedcamera
Note how the police illegally park on the sidewalk
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
Earlier in the day I posted in this thread that I was too upset to even process a coherent reply to the fuckery going on in this country. Apparently I'm not the only one. I already had a lot of respect for Jon but my respect level is now even higher.
I'm still at a loss for words to express my rage, sadness, and contempt though. Honestly I don't think words work anymore for this scourge on our 'society'
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