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[TekGryphon]

That seemed to be your first actual argument, before was just ad hominem attacks or various other fallacies.

No, it's actually just the first time you didn't ignore 90% of my post, invent a straw-man point to argue against, follow it up with a silly picture, and then spam my mailbox.

Amazing how the discussion picks up when you stop doing that, isn't it?

 

[Alien Bob]

Man, this sure is a lot of arguing just because TekGryphon wants to show that he's smarter than Gabe because the sale hasn't started yet...

 

[kafiend]

I believe that the FEAR download includes the expansion packs.

Yeah.
Extraction Point is 1.75 gb
Perseus Mandate is 7.23 gb

 

[intheinbetween]

shiiiiiii-

I can't make Lost Planet Extreme Condition Colonies work on W8, I tried everything: installing the goddamn GFWL, running it using different compatibility modes, running it as admin, but it just crashes as soon as I launch it, I get a " Lost Planet has stopped working" error window

did any of you guys manage to run it on W8 or W7?

 

[Sober]

Did the armchair economics shit slinging finally come to an end?

I was just about to ask why Amazon.com digital downloads were US only.

 

[TekGryphon]

Man, this sure is a lot of arguing just because TekGryphon wants to show that he's smarter than Gabe because the sale hasn't started yet...

Interesting hyperbole, thanks for the response.

I was going to participate in another thread where they're discussing the design flaws in Windows 8. Are you going to hop in there and say I'm claiming I'm smarter than Julie Larson? Or does this cultish behavior begin and end with Valve?

 

[catabarez]

Did the armchair economics shit slinging finally come to an end?

I was just about to ask why Amazon.com digital downloads were US only.

Use a real US address and it will work.

 

[Cynar]

Did the armchair economics shit slinging finally come to an end?

I was just about to ask why Amazon.com digital downloads were US only.

Use an American billing address and you'll be able to purchase the games. It's a US site and restrict it to their country.

 

[TekGryphon]

Did the armchair economics shit slinging finally come to an end?

I was just about to ask why Amazon.com digital downloads were US only.

It was honestly over before it begun, someone just wanted an excuse to post Gaben pics.

Amazon is under heavy scrutiny right now for (sales) tax evasion. In response they've started locking down transactions that might bring additional scrutiny on how they handle exchange rates or taxation.

We'll see if they're permanent changes or if it blows over once a few global governments find something else to occupy themselves with.

 

[cicero]

Interesting hyperbole, thanks for the response.

I was going to participate in another thread where they're discussing the design flaws in Windows 8. Are you going to hop in there and say I'm claiming I'm smarter than Julie Larson? Or does this cultish behavior begin and end with Valve?

"cultish behavior" And you have the gall to accuse others of hyperbole? Your disparaging rhetoric is exaggerated and ridiculous.

 

[Grief.exe]

No, it's not, and I never pretended it was. Customer A and Customer B are sample representatives of the market, nothing more.

As sample representatives, they don't represent ALL customers, only a portion. But if even a portion of potential sales are being lost, then that's a problem.

You claim that those losses are unavoidable, but your argument for that hinges upon us believing that you have insider information on what Steam has to do (vs what they can negotiate) in relation to publishers and insider information on what other retailers do not have to do in relation to publishers.

You are welcome to cite your credentials to me, but I personally don't believe you are an insider in this industry and can argue with authority on what the contractual relationships and negotiable terms are between Valve and its publishers.

Those portion of sales are loss, but new customers continue to be gained. This strategy seems to be working because Steam's user base and profits seems to be growing massively every year.
Valve's profits have had 100% profit growth year on year for the past several years.

My argument does not hinge on insider information.

Activating games on Steam is free for retailers selling keys as well as independent developers.
The revenue split taking by Valve is unknown, but we know it is there.

No, it's actually just the first time you didn't ignore 90% of my post, invent a straw-man point to argue against, follow it up with a silly picture, and then spam my mailbox.

Amazing how the discussion picks up when you stop doing that, isn't it?

Don't see where you are getting this from.

Going through past posts, I addressed each one of your statements pretty much point by point.

I don't see how it can be construed as a strawman or ignoring any of your post in that sense.

If I did pass over something, it was only because it was made redundant by a previous statement.

 

[Gintoki]

Its out - 12 dollars

http://store.steampowered.com/app/39140/

 

[Sober]

Guys if you're going to ruin the thread either ask for screenshots of gamelists in grid mode or flood it pictures of hot chicks.

 

[Grief.exe]

shiiiiiii-

I can't make Lost Planet Extreme Condition Colonies work on W8, I tried everything: installing the goddamn GFWL, running it using different compatibility modes, running it as admin, but it just crashes as soon as I launch it, I get a " Lost Planet has stopped working" error window

did any of you guys manage to run it on W8 or W7?

Have you installed GFWL separately?

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/LIVE/PC/DownloadClient

You should have gotten the physical copy.

Its only $5-$6 from some of those retailers, its Steamworks, and doesn't have GFWL.

 

[PriitV]

Its out - 12 dollars

http://store.steampowered.com/app/39140/

 

[TekGryphon]

Those portion of sales are loss, but ...

No, stop there. That's it, end of the discussion. Anything beyond that point is a straw-man which I'm not interested in engaging you on.

I'm not interested because I don't disagree. Go find someone who isn't familiar with Steam's basic business module, or who disagrees with it, and have all the fun you want.

 

[Maxwood]

Its out - 12 dollars

http://store.steampowered.com/app/39140/

I didn't know this was happening!
Yay!

 

[catabarez]

Have you installed GFWL separately?

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/LIVE/PC/DownloadClient

You should have gotten the physical copy.

Its only $5-$6 from some of those retailers, its Steamworks, and doesn't have GFWL.

That's the base version only.

 

[JaseC]

It was honestly over before it begun, someone just wanted an excuse to post Gaben pics.

Amazon is under heavy scrutiny right now for (sales) tax evasion. In response they've started locking down transactions that might bring additional scrutiny on how they handle exchange rates or taxation.

We'll see if they're permanent changes or if it blows over once a few global governments find something else to occupy themselves with.

The residency requirement is not due to Amazon's tax situation. It has always restricted digital products to the US, and bypassing said restriction is literally as easy as attaching a secondary, US-based address to your account since its checkout system neither runs an IP check nor looks up the address tied to the debit/credit card itself; in fact, this loophole is so transparently deliberate it'd be more accurate to label it an undocumented feature.

 

[Grief.exe]

Its out - 12 dollars

http://store.steampowered.com/app/39140/

Added to thread, trying to get the thread title changed.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=604721

That's the base version only.

I'll except that loss.

 

[Glass Rebel]

Its out - 12 dollars

http://store.steampowered.com/app/39140/

12.99€ :lol oh Square-Enix.

 

[TekGryphon]

"cultish behavior" And you have the gall to accuse others of hyperbole? Your disparaging rhetoric is exaggerated and ridiculous.

Yes, I do. It was a worthless reply and one that I would expect on Youtube, not here. You running to his rescue to defend him doesn't change that.

 

[JaseC]

Its out - 12 dollars

http://store.steampowered.com/app/39140/

I'll buy this if Dunder can get it for <$8.

Edit: Actually, I'll wait for the Summer Sale. Given the game has already been discounted on Squeenix's own store once or twice, there's a good chance it'll be marked down during the sale, too.

 

[TekGryphon]

The residency requirement is not due to Amazon's tax situation. It has always restricted digital products to the US, and bypassing said restriction is literally as easy as attaching a secondary, US-based address to your account since its checkout system neither runs an IP check nor looks up the address tied to the debit/credit card itself; in fact, this loophole is so transparently deliberate it'd be more accurate to label it an undocumented feature.

Yeah, bypassing it isn't hard at all.

They just have to make it look like they're trying. Same with their "estimated tax" section they've added.

 

[Caerith]

Guys if you're going to ruin the thread either ask for screenshots of gamelists in grid mode or flood it pictures of hot chicks.

I'm sure we'll see lots of Toki Tori pics soon enough.

Its out - 12 dollars

http://store.steampowered.com/app/39140/

$12 for a 16-year old game that looks exactly the same as the original I still have a disc for?

Good thing it has:

Character Booster – Find yourself stuck on a difficult section or lacking the funds to buy that vital Phoenix Down? With the Character Booster you can increase your HP, MP and Gil levels to their maximum, all with the simple click of a button, leaving you to enjoy your adventure.

Because Final Fantasy VII was so hard.

 

[catabarez]

I'll buy this if Dunder can get it for <$8.

At least you can test the DRM

 

[Sober]

Because Final Fantasy VII was so hard.

Y cant metroid crawl?

 

[TekGryphon]

Huh.. I've heard about that but I thought it was going to be an HD version?

That video looks, well... like the original game looked.

 

[JaseC]

Huh.. I've heard about that but I thought it was going to be an HD version?

That video looks, well... like the original game looked.

It's just the original PC version with some sloppily-applied polish. If memory serves, Squaresoft actually lost the higher-res source assets for the pre-rendered backgrounds.

 

[Milamber]

What's a "Sloppy Polish"?

 

[Sober]

It's just the original PC version with some sloppy polish applied.

So no widescreen support (without mods), gamepad support, custom keybinds (last time I tried someone's copy of FF7 on the PC it was the numpad for movement) and all that stuff is to not be expected then?

 

[NinjaCatfish]

I just know that if FF7 goes on sale, I will buy my third copy.

On another note, does anybody actually keep their trading cards? I've just been selling mine at the market price as I get them, have built up enough Steam dollars to maybe grab a game in the upcoming sale. I don't really see the point in keeping the cards when I can trade them for real money.

 

[GAMERG0D]

Its out - 12 dollars

http://store.steampowered.com/app/39140/

I didn't think it'd be a stealth release.

 

[JaseC]

What's a "Sloppy Polish"?

I misspoke.

So no widescreen support (without mods), gamepad support, custom keybinds (last time I tried someone's copy of FF7 on the PC it was the numpad for movement) and all that stuff is to not be expected then?

I seem to recall reading that this re-release doesn't support mods, but I may be wrong on that.

 

[Caerith]

Huh.

Already 4.1% of users have defeated Emerald and Ruby Weapons, but only 2.0% have used Cloud's first limit break.

 

[Seik]

Y cant metroid crawl?

That shit was depressing.

Will buy FFVII for sure, I got it from the SE store but I lost the CD key and the SE email, can't install it anymore. Steam is way more safe though.

 

[Grief.exe]

So no widescreen support (without mods), gamepad support, custom keybinds (last time I tried someone's copy of FF7 on the PC it was the numpad for movement) and all that stuff is to not be expected then?

It would be impossible to do widescreen unless you wanted to stretch the images.

The original backgrounds were pre-rendered 320x240 images. Increasing the render resolution would just stretch these images.

You can mod the sound in the game, and it is recommended that you do.

also

I can't tell whether the game has DRM or not.

I'm thinking not.

The only thing it installs is TrueMotion, which is a form of video compression

 

[TekGryphon]

So no widescreen support (without mods), gamepad support, custom keybinds (last time I tried someone's copy of FF7 on the PC it was the numpad for movement) and all that stuff is to not be expected then?

Well, I just saved myself $12.

On another note, apparently I am a terrible human being for purchasing Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition on Steam because Atari is being a monumental prick to Overhaul, the developers.

 

[zkylon]

Its out - 12 dollars

http://store.steampowered.com/app/39140/

lol squeenix gonna squeenix

guess I'll buy it for that friend that went with me to watch distant worlds and hasn't played a single final fantasy game

hope you ain't reading this

Because he's been spamming my mailbox every single time he posts with a "LOOK AT MY POST!" message. I have never encountered anyone who does that in my 15 years of posting in online communities.

I should have made it clear in my post when I said "see my PM" that I wasn't initiating, I was just replying to his spam.

That said, I'm honestly not interested in listening to "losing sales to competitors is a GREAT strategy, especially when it's sales that were coming from users with high usage of our client and high monetization."

You guys can say I'm being mean to him all you want, I'm just laying it out. It's a silly argument, and his posting of silly Gaben pictures or spamming my mailbox with messages isn't changing a thing. When you're selling "one-and-done" products like games, being the last one to the market is a bad strategy. That's not insulting Valve. Valve's a great company, and I think 99% of the reason I'm getting so much flack on such an obvious point is that people think I'm besmirching the image of the "Almighty Valve". They can, and almost certain will, improve on this - I'm just pointing it out.

I don't give a shit about valve (tbh I like them less every day) or you being right dude, just don't be a condescending douche, that's all

even if you disagree with someone you should at least respect them

 

[JaseC]

Huh.

Already 4.1% of users have defeated Emerald and Ruby Weapons, but only 2.0% have used Cloud's first limit break.

Developer playtesting, I'd wager.

 

[Milamber]

I misspoke.

Is there some sort of HD Patcher floating in the internet somewhere for FFVII?

 

[TekGryphon]

I just know that if FF7 goes on sale, I will buy my third copy.

On another note, does anybody actually keep their trading cards? I've just been selling mine at the market price as I get them, have built up enough Steam dollars to maybe grab a game in the upcoming sale. I don't really see the point in keeping the cards when I can trade them for real money.

I keep mine. The amount of time it would take me to learn how to sell them, what to sell them for, and then actually sell them is not worth the time for the meager returns.

I'll probably just give them to my nephew. He loved the TF2 market. Of course now that he has an actual job he might not be interested either.

 

[cicero]

Yes, I do. It was a worthless reply and one that I would expect on Youtube, not here. You running to his rescue to defend him doesn't change that.

I didn't run to his rescue. I didn't defend him. I specifically pointed out the hypocrisy of you having the gall to accuse someone of hyperbole when you have literally used little else to denigrate and disparage anyone who disagrees with your positions.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=68086731&postcount=8950

As I asked before: "Do you have anything even remotely knowledgeable or informed to say in response to Gabe's direct comments about his views regarding third party sales and Valve's intentional choice to not charge a tax on them?".

I'm not interested in discussing high school level business theories with a kid who thinks that losing large percentages of potential revenues from moderately to highly monetized brand-loyal customers is a "good strategy".

Business operations and marketing is not monolithic. You can pursue new customer acquisition AND customer retention. Valve is losing out on revenue by not being transparent or aggressive enough with their sales, and other companies are using that to their advantage to poach revenue.

Go ahead and explain their pointed move to not charge a tax on third party or publisher direct sales. Explain the profit driven motives that they SHOULD be having and explain just why something other than that is currently in place. You know, refute or rebut Gabe's actual comments that I provided.

 

[JaseC]

At least you can test the DRM

<parameter:cloud saves joke>

 

[NinjaCatfish]

I keep mine. The amount of time it would take me to learn how to sell them, what to sell them for, and then actually sell them is not worth the time for the meager returns.

I'll probably just give them to my nephew. He loved the TF2 market. Of course now that he has an actual job he might not be interested either.

Selling them is super easy. Click them in your inventory, click sell, and a window appears showing historical prices. I just price mine a few cents below current prices and they're gone within minutes. Not major returns, but hey, free money.

 

[Hellix]

I just know that if FF7 goes on sale, I will buy my third copy.

On another note, does anybody actually keep their trading cards? I've just been selling mine at the market price as I get them, have built up enough Steam dollars to maybe grab a game in the upcoming sale. I don't really see the point in keeping the cards when I can trade them for real money.

I may hold onto them depending on what is going on with this year's summer event. Just bought 400 Days DLC, Payday 2, and now FFVII thanks to Steam trading card money.

 

[TekGryphon]

Go ahead and explain their pointed move to not charge a tax on third party or publisher direct sales. Explain the profit driven motives that they SHOULD be having and explain just why something other than that is currently in place. You know, refute or rebut Gabe's actual comments that I provided.

Why should I refute your point? I don't disagree with it, and it's not relevant to the discussion.

Relax, bro. I love Gabe, too. I'm not besmirching his honor. Put down the torch.

 

[Goody]

FF7, huh? Neat. I might pick it up down the road if only because on the PC was how I first experienced the game.

 

[A Serious Man]

Its out - 12 dollars

http://store.steampowered.com/app/39140/

Just in time for the summer sale.

 

[Alien Bob]

Yes, I do. It was a worthless reply and one that I would expect on Youtube, not here. You running to his rescue to defend him doesn't change that.

You really don't know what the word hyperbole means, do you?

Anyway, these Gun Monkey card prices are insane, but going down hard.