PLASTICA-MAN
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I thought Ninja Theory are still living and tehy are making Hellblade right?
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STEAM | November 2014 - Ride of the Valkyries
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I thought Ninja Theory are still living and tehy are making Hellblade right?
corrosivefrost
Member
They are.
He linked to a screencap on steam community.
If it's good enough for steam community, it should be good enough for NeoGAF.
Oh, I understand all this... but usually there are guidelines and rules -- mods are supposed to be objective in their decisions and apply good judgement... and yet, there are moderators who have vendettas against certain members and wait for any excuse to ban them... there are mods who just ignore PMs... there are mods who interpret the TOS differently and are more lenient in terms of how they handle a situation... but if there's one common denominator here, it's that the moderation of NeoGAF is wildly inconsistent and doesn't adhere to any particular guidelines. Based on what I've seen throughout my years here, I have no idea what moderators are the ones who should be contacted and which would align with my points of view... as it seems that's the key thing to know when picking a moderator from the list: "Which mod is most likely to agree with me so that the thing I found worth reporting is dealt with in a manner which satisfies me."
Yes.
The thread stated that they'd closed the discussion forums on their site... and I made that statement saying if it was a sign of the studio being shut down I thought that might be a good thing (esssentially). The thread went nuts with a bunch of defensive NT fanboys quoting my post and hating on me for it and I got a week off.
Spring-Loaded
Member
It took Duckroll three weeks to send me nudes when I asked for them, but someone gets banned in less than a day for posting porn. Wooowww.
Gather around kids, it's story time.
I don't know if this is a joke or not, but what Steam allows has absolutely zero bearing on what we allow. We have our own rules and terms of service, and posting an image of a naked woman being penetrated crosses the line.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
I'm really surprised that that Everlasting Summer game has an ESRB rating of M and not AO.
If I were a betting man, I'd say that their ESRB rating is the only reason they were allowed to publish the game on Steam at all.
It's interesting though, especially with the new "discovery queue" update. Valve needs to be careful because this is the sort of game that could get them in trouble for marketing pornography to minors. I haven't checked, but do "M" rated games show up in people's discovery queues? I assume that they do.
The US is notoriously weird for this kinda stuff. For example, at 17 you can buy "M" rated games, but you cannot purchase pornography. And of course, every country is different.
EDIT: Strangely enough, I can't find the game on the ESRB site. It makes me wonder if they just lied about it. The ESRB can be pretty strict about these things which is why I'm surprised it only got rated "M"
If I were a betting man, I'd say that their ESRB rating is the only reason they were allowed to publish the game on Steam at all.
It's interesting though, especially with the new "discovery queue" update. Valve needs to be careful because this is the sort of game that could get them in trouble for marketing pornography to minors. I haven't checked, but do "M" rated games show up in people's discovery queues? I assume that they do.
The US is notoriously weird for this kinda stuff. For example, at 17 you can buy "M" rated games, but you cannot purchase pornography. And of course, every country is different.
EDIT: Strangely enough, I can't find the game on the ESRB site. It makes me wonder if they just lied about it. The ESRB can be pretty strict about these things which is why I'm surprised it only got rated "M"
Well, first of all, no mod bans someone just because they don't like them. That is very highly frowned upon, and we have to post reasons for every ban we make, which can be freely criticized by the rest of the staff, and possibly overturned. We keep an internal database with notes on problem users that people tend to check before they ban someone, and this very frequently factors into durations for bans. Two people who did very similar things may be banned for different durations because one of them has done it before.
As for your other issue, you can send PMs to multiple mods.
At any rate, yes, further discussion about moderation should be done via PM.
As someone who used to worked for GameStop. I guess one way of explaining it, is that most M rated games contains:
1. Extreme Violence (that's a given)
2. Harsh Language (most of the time)
3. Nudity (rarer than you think)
4. Suggestive Theme aka some sex scenes fade to black or like Mass Effect (50%)
5. Drugs Use (50%)
I don't think I missed anything. But I guess ESRB see it as, if you are 17 and you're old enough to buy a game that have less than 50% chance of having nudity or sexual content in it. You're fine. You can wait till you're a year older to look at porn.
legally.
As far as mods being only human, well, yeah. We try to be consistent, and we try to be fair, but at the end of the day it's just regular people on the other end of the screen.
If you'd like to talk further about moderation stuff, feel free to PM.
P.S. Shadownet, your ban was only for a week! Relativity.
Fair enough, I can agree with what you posted. But please for future reference, could you guys possibly think about actually responding and telling ORANGE or whoever is in charge at the time that you're still discussing and haven't reach a solution yet? Better than than to keep us in the dark. I've never seen ORANGE more confused.
PS. You know I love GAF. 1 week felt like 1 month. I'll try to stay on the straight and narrow from now on.
corrosivefrost
Member
I've been banned as a junior member and returned from the death.
TL;DR
- Got my account activation
- Few months later, I post a referral link in a BF3 thread. It was for winning a free BF3 game. (Didn't know it was disallowed.)
- A thread page or so later, Neogaf member Sethos picks up on it and also posts his personal link. (Sethos was seemingly a very active member.)
* few thread pages go by *
- Sethos gets banned. And I'm still free.
- I immediately responded in the thread saying it was my fault. And that I would be willing to be banned in return for Sethos to be unbanned.
- Got it sorted out with mods. They banned me. They didn't tell me whether Sethos got unbanned, but yes, they did unban him which made me feel better.
When I contacted support by e-mail they responded that it was nice of me to step up to my faults, and that's why it would only be a temporary ban; not permanent.
Here the comment where I admitted my fault moments after Sethos got banned: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=30659246&postcount=5100
There should be posts like "Asgaro was a junior member, right? /salute" and "Wow, I've never seen someone jump on a grenade in virtual life".
Quite the adventure
Funny thing is: when I got eventually unbanned, I didn't have the motivation anymore to use the account since I went back to a Dutch forum I was frequenting at the same time.
But now, a few years later, Neogaf eventually has become my main forum and will stay that way.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Valve seriously needs to investigate this and take the appropriate actions then.
Oh, wow. I've been playing too much VC and not visiting the tread enough. Looks like I missing something
And I juts realized that free games add to total game library.
(never know NeoGaf that strict regarding to that, I hope it can be that strict regarding to hate speech and nuking proposition on off-topic).
And I juts realized that free games add to total game library.
The AO rating is completely useless. Everything is accounted for with a 17+ rating.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Well the AO rating is pretty much only good for retailers never stocking your title ever.
I might be completely wrong but isn't "18" PEGI version of R Rated?
BinaryPork2737
Unconfirmed Member
I forgot how addictive Terraria can be. I really want that Steam achievement patch to come out soon :/
It's been around for a while now, though I can't really remember when it started; earliest I can say for 100% sure is Spring of this year. All sorts of more "mature" games have it, like Outlast, the Saints Row franchise, the Metro franchise, Sakura Spirit (sort of hesitant to use the word "mature" anywhere near it though), etc.
It's been around for a while now, though I can't really remember when it started; earliest I can say for 100% sure is Spring of this year. All sorts of more "mature" games have it, like Outlast, the Saints Row franchise, the Metro franchise, Sakura Spirit (sort of hesitant to use the word "mature" anywhere near it though), etc.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Well, I'm just going off of the ESRB website and their own guidelines:
and their definition of "sexual content" which is:
This game sounds more like "Strong Sexual Content":
which is part of the AO rating.
salazar547
Member
any chance of a sega bundle tomorrow?
macfoshizzle
Member
Yes! thank you
someguyinahat
Member
That wouldn't surprise me. Would a free game even require rating? Heroine's Quest sure wasn't rated. Or at least, its rating isn't on its store page.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Just for the record, I don't want to come off sounding like a prude here. I honestly believe a lot of these "adult" visual novels and things that Milamber loves would do really well on Steam.
The problem is that Steam doesn't have any mechanisms in place to legally distribute these games. They don't even have an account-based age field. That's why you get hit with the "please enter your birthday" question every time your cookies expire and you try to look at an M rated game on Steam - they're required by law to ascertain that you're old enough to legally view this content.
But again, this is a tricky subject given that laws are different in most countries of the world and Steam is a global marketplace. I just don't want to see them sued or sanctioned or anything like that.
The only reason I mention ESRB in regards to this title is that's the reason the Loren the Amazon Princess devs sited for not being able to include their sex scenes in their Steam release (lack of ESRB rating)
The problem is that Steam doesn't have any mechanisms in place to legally distribute these games. They don't even have an account-based age field. That's why you get hit with the "please enter your birthday" question every time your cookies expire and you try to look at an M rated game on Steam - they're required by law to ascertain that you're old enough to legally view this content.
But again, this is a tricky subject given that laws are different in most countries of the world and Steam is a global marketplace. I just don't want to see them sued or sanctioned or anything like that.
The only reason I mention ESRB in regards to this title is that's the reason the Loren the Amazon Princess devs sited for not being able to include their sex scenes in their Steam release (lack of ESRB rating)
BinaryPork2737
Unconfirmed Member
The deleted post on the CoH blog mentioned that it was supposed to run from the 15th to the 29th, which would make it a two week bundle. It has a better chance of happening next Tuesday than tomorrow.
they're not gonna ban you for quoting it
jawmunchie messed up and is gonna be back in a week, it's not a big deal
imo it wasn't really worth the ban but i'd be a pretty lenient moderator
i generally don't think this is such a good idea. i thought it was pretty clear you guys were still discussing it or whatever but there was a lot of talk around here that you just didn't care
just a quick reply of "we don't have a full answer yet, but we're working on it" just helps people not feel ignored
not necessarily for every pm you get in fear of you sounding like a bot but this was a big move and it deserved better imo
i don't understand how that really matters, tho i know very little about laws and such
like do hentai game sites have like stricter barriers to buy their games or something?
My issue is that the demarcation is completely uncalled for and make no logical sense. It is not whether the game fits the existing category.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
Pretty hefty (1.2 gb) patch for Shadow of Mordor hit earlier tonight:
Dio Brando
Banned
Nice that they finally fixed the WB play bug. by accident i only entered 2(the game didnt recognize that i pressed 2 after that), so i couldnt get the rune D:
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Ah, gotcha. I mostly just chalk it up to "Welp, that's the world we live in..." personally. I think the point of contention is that traditionally in the USA you're considered a legal adult at the age of 18, so I'd almost go so far as to say that if they were to blur the lines between "M" and "AO", they should semantically just put everything rated "M" into the "AO" category and call it good.
Of course with large retailers refusing to stock "AO" games, we all know that's never going to happen.
xBladeM6x
Member
You would ban me in a heartbeat if I ever PM you a picture of a spider.
That patch make me wanna reinstall Shadow of Mordor.. But I should wait till there is some meaty story content DLC.
-Fixed issues with native resolution detection. The game will now use Windows recommended resolution.
-Fixed issues with custom resolutions specified in Windows. Users no longer have to delete them.
finally. I actually DID have to delete mine because otherwise I couldnt choose 1080p. And now I dont know how to make them again, I need to bother doogie again one of these days :/
-Fixed issues with custom resolutions specified in Windows. Users no longer have to delete them.
finally. I actually DID have to delete mine because otherwise I couldnt choose 1080p. And now I dont know how to make them again, I need to bother doogie again one of these days :/
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Only Admins can set custom tags but you can set one specific one!
Let's move on to something more positive
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Well, there's no R rating in ESRB, right? MPAA has one for movies though.
I haven't done extensive research or anything, but going with the age gate alone, PEGI 18 would be ESRB Adult Only. But context is everything.
PEGI is generally speaking just straight up age gate at ages 3, 7, 12, 16 and 18. And in case it's worth mentioning, they'll have a small note about why a game is rated the way it is.
Something like GTA5 is rated pegi 18, with notes about violence, bad language and online. No mention of nudity or sexual content.
Whereas the ESRB is M, with Blood and Gore, Intense Violence, Mature Humor, Nudity, Strong Language, Strong Sexual Content, Use of Drugs and Alcohol.
So it doesn't always quite match.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
Lol now I expect the game to be removed from Steam. Imagine the rage after which will lead to bans in Steam forums and hubs.
Actually, I'm playing it right now and I'm liking it (1 hour in about)
The graphics are very nice.
The music is good.
The ambience noise is actually very good... something I don't usually pick up on.
The story is a bit overly wordy but not bad up to now.
I like the subtle/not so subtle jokes about memes and Internet.
It's hidden enough that you wouldn't see them if you are a normal person but still obvious enough that you'll pick up on them if you 'know' them.
BinaryPork2737
Unconfirmed Member
Because that worked out so well the last time we actually hyped up a pre-order bundle from Groupees
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
"banned"
I don't know what country that game was from but it isn't Japan!
Because that worked out so well the last time we actually hyped up a pre-order bundle from Groupees
Well, I got Blazblue, so I can't really complain =P
EDIT: That and I think I turned out a profit with all the games' cards actually.
A Fish Aficionado
I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
Banned, she means.
I played something called LA traffic with a standard car today. Fun.
Haunted
Member
I missed the whole bit, don't tell me my joke is ruined.
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