Are you asking because you didn't read it?
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STEAM | November 2015 - Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty Never Changes
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edit: ahhhh new page again i mean steam is cool right
Yeah, I bailed after dying too many times on that stupid, stupid boss fight.
Fuck you, Japan and your 50 stage boss fights.
Aren't all mystery gifts poop? It's either all poop or one really good game mixed in with a bunch of mystery poop.
what port? Trails is a PC game for nth thousand time
I already explained what niche means, so not gonna repeat myself for no reason
According to you guys, if we all agreed on not buying Fallout 4, or just didn't buy without agreeing it would miraculously become a niche game.
seriously...
I already explained what niche means, so not gonna repeat myself for no reason
According to you guys, if we all agreed on not buying Fallout 4, or just didn't buy without agreeing it would miraculously become a niche game.
seriously...
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The appearance of Shadowrun Returns a little earlier has me deeply reconsidering the risk/reward of entering mystery giveaways - would definitely have entered for that. Well played, all.
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I'd agree there, that final boss is the definite low point of the game and is way too hard. I also played it on easy (i'm not very good at these kinds of games) and it was tough going.
Maybe I shouldn't jump into this, since it seems like an ongoing argument (I haven't seen the previous posts on the subject), but aren't most JRPGs not named Final Fantasy considered niche in the west nowadays?
If sometime down the road, Bethesda-style open world RPGs stopped being a thing that appealed to the mass market, but still had a (smaller) dedicated following, then yes that would be niche.
CheesecakeRecipe
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The problem is, your personal definition of niche is not what the actual definition is. You're arguing something without fully understanding what it is you're fighting against, and it discredits every post you make. When others try to point this out to you, rather than adjusting, you double down instead.
You need to learn when to stop, when to recognize you're in the wrong and stop being so stubborn when anyone critiques the games you defend. Trust me, it only does a disservice to your arguments.
Are you asking because you didn't read it?
I read more than Arthea and when I do it's actual literature not VNs
VNs warp people's understanding of terms and concepts like niche and xenophobia
I don't see it that way, you guys think that niche means sells little, that's not what niche means, if product is made for wide audience is not a niche, period, if it doesn't sell it fails at what it meant to be, yes, but that doesn't make it niche, it makes it not successful product and as Trails obviously don't sell, we won't be getting more.
Why would I stop? for once we have serious gaming related argument, yet you are saying me to stop for what exactly reason? Talking about cats? birhtdays? anime? movies? giveaways?
I can't agree that I'm wrong if I don't see how I am.
I'm stubborn, I don't see what it has to do with my arguments, we aren't talking about me but about games, can we stick to that and leave me alone, please?
I'm not saying it's not happening, it probably is happening, but I'm not sure we are quite there yet. Or maybe we are and I just didn't notice.
Bethesda games are still mainstream, I'm not sure what you mean by mass market in this case, tbh
corrosivefrost
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What exactly makes you think Trails was made for a wide audience?
It's a non-pornographic, story heavy game made for a system that is in country of origin synonymous with pornographic, storyless games played by outcasts of society.
how?
prove it.
well usually when people make up shit about others people take offense..
it being of platform that isn't popular makes a game niche? Knurek, pls
freshVeggie
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You are taking the posts too personal.
This is bloody exactly what niche means...
"Denoting or relating to products, services, or interests that appeal to a small, specialized section of the population"
maybe you should reread the post in question? just a suggestion
exactly, PC is in every home, how that counts for small section of population again?
Fallout 4 will sell millions, largely on the reputation of the studio that is producing it and the games they have put out recently (even if I think those games are poor). On top of that, the style of gameplay, and the artstyle, appeal to the broadest range of people playing games today. No matter how you market Trails, it just will never sell that much in today's market.
The fact is that if you took a random sample of 100 gamers today, and showed them footage of Fallout and Trails, a much larger portion of them will ignore Trails and get excited about Fallout than the reverse. I don't think that makes it a better game, but it does have a broader appeal in the current market. And that can (and probably will) change over time as tastes and gaming demographics change.
I'm not going to go as far (as some would) to say JRPGs are dead in the west. They aren't dead, but it's a much smaller market than it was in the FF7 days, and on top of that, the gaming audience in general has grown massively since then, so the relative importance in the market of JRPG fans is lessened.
This is a ridiculous generalization.
The game doesn't sell much but it sells decently enough to keep making games for the audience. It is a niche game by definition. The game appeal is not for everyone by any means, the sales are not huge and neither in popularity. Also not everyone has a gaming PC.
Jawmuncher
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I think the issue here is it seems like someone is taking niche as being a bad thing. Which it isn't.
Niche is not a bad thing. The only negative aspect is that the audience is not big for it but that doesn't affect the quality of the game in the end.
Because by arguing over silly little things you could say they found their niche in life
Because by arguing over silly little things you could say they found their niche in life
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corrosivefrost
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So every person with a pc in their home is a gamer now? And beyond that, they want to play a story heavy JRPG which makes heavy use of anime style and tropes/jokes (only repeating what I was told when discussing my dislike of what I had experienced of the games dialogue and sense of humor)? Ok.
In the case of the new pc releases, its niche because of the content. Originally it was a bit more so because of the limited adoption of the console the game was available on when it was introduced to the west.
Jawmuncher
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EDIT: Dumb post
Jawmuncher
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That's what I have been trying to figure out.
CheesecakeRecipe
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This exactly.
I actively encourage discussion on games, love seeing impressions and reviews which stimulate genuinely good conversation and keep the topic healthy. What you're doing now Arthea, and what you do almost all the time, is not healthy discussion. It's too suffocated by emotional outbursts and rudeness that, as I mentioned in the post you deflected, hurts any discussion you attempt to have. I'd much rather you be able to articulate yourself without turning people against you, but you're more than willing to try and pass the blame in your frustration.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but nobody there uses PC for gaming. Nobody other than perverted deviants, who like to fap to 1000 year old dragon lactating catgilrl pregnant nurses.
Normal people in Japan don't game at all.
People in Japan who game, do so on cellphones.
People in Japan who game and are weird, do so on consoles.
Milambers in Japan game on PCs.
Mass Effect 2/3 fit the bill, I guess.
(depending on your definition of JRPG, obviously)
I never said niche is bad, I like a lot of niche games and I think I can see the difference.
I don't see anything in Trails that would make it niche, anything at all.
A game is made to appeal to everyone, it's not Nep, nor it is Senran Kagura or Atelier, or a game we can't talk about.
are you serious? like for real?
I don't see anything in Trails that would make it niche, anything at all.
how do you know that? I don't, I know series are pretty big deal in china for example, but I have no idea how much it sells, care to share some numbers?
A game is made to appeal to everyone, it's not Nep, nor it is Senran Kagura or Atelier, or a game we can't talk about.
are you serious? like for real?
Jawmuncher
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Se7enSword
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damn you guys are going to confuse me until jasec goes back to being jasec aren't you
i like this discussion than the anime ones
Jawmuncher
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The overall sales of the game are still not big even if it becomes a hit at some area. Its perhaps a hit game somewhere and in other areas it can be a niche. There are tons of games that perform well in Japan but in the US are niche and vice versa. Its not as black and white as you want it to be.
Sgt.Pepper
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Mario RPGs, Souls games maybe.
"JRPG" category was always a fucked up to me. Some say are mechanics and some say they have to be from Japan.
freshVeggie
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Yup. Starts with a post but every little counter-post is taken as a personal attack. Makes it hard to have a discussion, let alone have empathy.
I did the first time. You have issues having healthy discussions.
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