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[weekend_warrior]

Hey I know a guy who agrees with this point.

Bomb dropped.

 

[FStop7]

In Steve Job's own words.
Edit: DAMN IT! Beaten ("Good artists borrow, great artists steal")

/thread.

 

[Cipherr]

Wait. Not to be an asshole or anything, but isn't the goddamn Iphone just a cellphone that plays mp3s, does web and data applications, and everything else all my other shitty motorola ant at&t phones have been able to do since before the iphone was invented?

Wasn't he just riding the shoulders of giants? Or taking all those handheld datapads and phones and mp3 players and combining them into one snazzy little device? I mean, they did it in style, but was it really that special?

Guy doesn't sound like an enlightened buddhist at all :/

Bringing it all together the way they did should not be err... belittled. It would have taken god KNOWS how long for smartphones to get to where they are now if it weren't for the iPhone leapfrogging and forcing the industry to evolve faster than the pace it was at.

Again noone is trying to rob Apple and Steve of that here. I think most just got a chuckle out of owning a tape/dvd with the man saying "Good Artist copy, Great artists steal, we have always been shameless about stealing here at Apple", then saying "Android is a stolen product, I hate it, and will use everything I have to destroy it". The situation and bad blood between him and another man be damned, those two quotes stand on their own, and they are conflicting as hell.

Not to judge the man though, Ive said far worse in my day.

 

[flyover]

That's not entirely true. Vic was already working on Android prior to this, IIRC.

True. But I'm not saying Jobs was right. I'm just saying Schmidt being on the board was apparently a big part of why he was mad.

 

[akira28]

ok..it had its own os, didn't use Java or a flavor of miniWindows, but what else?

Bringing it all together the way they did should not be err... belittled. It would have taken god KNOWS how long for smartphones to get to where they are now if it weren't for the iPhone leapfrogging and forcing the industry to evolve faster than the pace it was at.

Maybe, but I remember watching dirty videos and downloading porn on my shitty flip phone way back in the early-ish 00s. To me, the iphone just seemed like a much nicer Blackberry with a touch screen.

He amalgamated a nice device, I just think he's a gatherer of good ideas and tools.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Remember dumb shit you said 20 years ago? Steve Jobs probably felt the same way.

 

[fse]

I loved when android looked like that.

 

[3N16MA]

Can't wait for his biography. Nothing was off limits and Steve knew how this would all sound when it came out. He did not care.

 

[polyh3dron]

Wait. Not to be an asshole or anything, but isn't the goddamn Iphone just a cellphone that plays mp3s, does web and data applications, and everything else all my other shitty motorola ant at&t phones have been able to do since before the iphone was invented?

Wasn't he just riding the shoulders of giants? Or taking all those handheld datapads and phones and mp3 players and combining them into one snazzy little device? I mean, they did it in style, but was it really that special?

Guy doesn't sound like an enlightened buddhist at all :/

If you think the iPhone isn't much different from the phones that came before it then... Umm... My mind is full of fuck.

 

[kehs]

Did andy rubin get his name changed to vic or something?

 

[Salsa]

ok..it had its own os, didn't use Java or a flavor of miniWindows, but what else?

There's not much argument to what you said. He basically did bring all of those assets together in a shiny, accesible,

Spoiler

expensive as hell ;p

, new package, and by doing so they created an interface and a way to comunicate with your phone that became standard.

You're taking the effort away from that feat though. No one else did it.

Remember dumb shit you said 20 years ago? Steve Jobs probably felt the same way.

except only a year ago

 

[SRG01]

True. But I'm not saying Jobs was right. I'm just saying Schmidt being on the board was apparently a big part of why he was mad.

True enough. It's fair to have some sort of anger, especially in light of Apple's past history.

The problem behind Steve's statement is that nothing Apple did was particularly inventive. Everything in the consumer electronics and computing industry is an incremental evolution of an existing idea. Palm? iOS. Then Android. Then WP7. And now everyone borrows off each other.

If you think the iPhone isn't much different from the phones that came before it then... Umm... My mind is full of fuck.

Form, perhaps. But the UI wasn't particularly unique.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Form, perhaps. But the UI wasn't particularly unique.

Oh, buttons on a screen.

UIs are kept familiar because they have to be. Otherwise you don't know what you're doing with them. But in terms of superficial appearance and the philosophy behind some of the interaction decisions, you can't mistake iOS for anything else.

 

[Patapwn]

He did die trying, I'll give him that

 

[Jenga]

this makes me want to buy an android tablet

 

[BocoDragon]

If it wasn't for iPhone I am pretty sure we'd still be fucking around with d-pads and stylii.

 

[Barkley's Justice]

Jobs used an expletive to describe Android and Google Docs,

I hate when publications just don't come out and say it. Just say what he said. These perceived taboos on curse words are tantamount to censorship.

 

[B!TCH]

This actually explains in a more succinct and direct manner why Apple, Microsoft and Oracle are hell bent on destroying Google. And a lot of companies want them to succeed in this goal if only to prove and expand upon the accusation that Google doesn't respect intellectual property rights.

 

[Night_Trekker]

Steve Jobs... was a... control freak?

I have to sit down.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Funny thing was Rubin was working on Android when he still worked at Danger Inc (in which he was the CEO), then continued working on it when he formed Android Inc in 2003. Way before Schmidt came into the picture which puts a dent in the whole Schmidt stole it conspiracy theory.

 

[Technosteve]

"I think the words "Good artists borrow, great artists steal" constitute one of the most misunderstood and misused creative phrases of all time. To me, it means the difference between aping and assimilating; between copying and internalizing; between being unoriginal and innovative."

Hunter Thompson used to type out The Great Gatsby, word by word, determined to absorb its lessons. Not the thematic lessons, that the rich are different or idealism is futile, but the lessons of its rhythms, its urgent, perfect poetry, language as a means to break down thought and inspire action. Even as he admired and even emulated the recklessness of those rebels and lunatics who went over The Edge, for much of his life Thompson also appreciated those who, like Fitzgerald, observed carefully and made instructive, incisive art of chaos, who called out crooks and monsters for what they were, and in so doing imagined lives beyond the those stretching before him, those venal, petty, “dishonest shitheads” of the current U.S. administration. “You haven’t heard the last of me,” Thompson wrote in Kingdom of Fear, his last book. “I am the one who speaks for the spirit of freedom and decency in you. Shit. Somebody has to do it.”

I am not an artist but i do know to watch Bob Ross and copy his paintings in order to learn how to paint. I don't put off that work as my own.

 

[FireCloud]

Sure the irony of this doesn't escape Xerox.

 

[Salsa]

I hate when publications just don't come out and say it. Just say what he said. These perceived taboos on curse words are tantamount to censorship.

you wanna buy the book now dont cha?

ka-ching

If it wasn't for iPhone I am pretty sure we'd still be fucking around with d-pads and stylii.

c'mon duder

 

[Jenga]

If it wasn't for iPhone I am pretty sure we'd still be fucking around with d-pads and stylii.

i still fuck around with d-pads and stylii because i hate touching my screen

 

[Loxley]

Case in point, his biography will be a fascinating read

 

[Cyrillus]

Will this book be on sale at Google Books?

 

[3N16MA]

This is what Motorola could produce when given an Apple asset:

We would still have touchscreen smartphones without Apple but I cringe to think how shitty they would be.

 

[Link Man]

 

[Jenga]

big ass pic

settle down there boyo

 

[Technosteve]

This is what Motorola could produce when given an Apple asset:

We would still have touchscreen smartphones without Apple but I cringe to think how shitty they would be.

Oh god i owned that piece of shit holds only like 50 songs lol. The irony that google owns them, and the last good phone they made was the razr.

 

[nib95]

I am not an artist but i do know to watch Bob Ross and copy his paintings in order to learn how to paint. I don't put off that work as my own.

And that's exactly what Android have done. Unless you think Android is putting off Apple's work as their own? I'd say that was a ridiculous claim of epic proportions.

Some borrowed ideas and foundations, sure, Apple has done the same of Android too to lesser extents (just take a look at iOS5 whose majority of features could be perceived as taken straight from Android. Hell, even Siri is essentially just a version of Voice Navigation given a personality). Point is Android took a control or UI foundation and made gave us their own spin on it, and in some ways, bettered Apple's version. It also has a fundamentally different drive what with the open vs closed emphasis.

 

[kehs]

This is what Motorola could produce when given an Apple asset:

We would still have touchscreen smartphones without Apple but I cringe to think how shitty they would be.

Funny thing about that partnership, that lead to the iPhone, and lead to Moto's and Nokia's lawsuits against Apple.......for infringing on patented cellular technology.

Delicious hypocrisy.

 

[Sobriquet]

Funny thing was Rubin was working on Android when he still worked at Danger Inc (in which he was the CEO), then continued working on it when he formed Android Inc in 2003. Way before Schmidt came into the picture which puts a dent in the whole Schmidt stole it conspiracy theory.

No it doesn't.

 

[BocoDragon]

c'mon duder

I'm not joking. If it wasn't for iPhone I think we'd still be using vaguely blackberry-looking things with physical keyboards and some sort of cursor manipulator like a stylus, d-pad, blackberry "trackball" or whatever.

Stylii-free capacitive touchscreens were not an inevitability. At least not for the late 2000s. Apple triggered that, no doubt in my mind.

 

[TheSeks]

Steve Jobs Biography describes Jobs as hell bent on destroying Android

Why wouldn't he be? It's a competitor, for fucks sake. :/

>>Nexus One<<

Going by this, I can see what makes him angry. There's a "home" button that while not a direct copy of iPhone is similar. And the home layout of that screen (if right) looks really similar to the layout of the application homescreen of the iPhone just with a weather bar below it.

I don't think this should change anyones opinion of Steve, really. And I don't see the controversy of being "pissed"/angry over a competitor being somewhat similar and (really probably the biggest reason) cheaper to produce for a "sort-of similar" experience.

Article is just stirring up shit for the point of stirring. :/

i still fuck around with d-pads and stylii because i hate touching my screen

*brofist* Fuck keyboard on touchscreens. I rather have a proper fucking hardware keyboard than that shit. I don't mind touch-screens, but they can't do typing and some other things that a hardware based option can do better.

 

[Salsa]

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based on what exactly?

 

[Link Man]

settle down there boyo

Sorry, didn't expect it to be so big. It's fixed now.

The point still stands, however.

 

[agrajag]

physical keyboards are awesome, yo.

 

[Salsa]

The point still stands, however.

so, if i get this right, you're implying that whoever is writing this book is lying?

what are you basing that on?

 

[Dr. Malik]

Sorry, didn't expect it to be so big. It's fixed now.

The point still stands, however.

Sorry you cant compare someone as great as Dumbledore to the likes of Jobs, smh

 

[Medalion]

He was human too

He was a visionary but nobody is an angel

 

[Jenga]

Sorry, didn't expect it to be so big. It's fixed now.

The point still stands, however.

what point?

all i saw was dumbledore lol

 

[BocoDragon]

i still fuck around with d-pads and stylii because i hate touching my screen

More power to you if that's what you like... but personally I doubt I would have become a smartphone user with mere blackberry-alikes on the market. I was certainly never motivated to get one in the early 2000s.

My mom and a million other normal people that have made smartphones ubiquitous would never have jumped on board either.

 

[Technosteve]

Funny thing about that partnership, that lead to the iPhone, and lead to Moto's and Nokia's lawsuits against Apple.......for infringing on patented cellular technology.

Delicious hypocrisy.

But that has nothing to do with apple out doing them both with a OS thats purely touch driven. They invented the GSM technology, apple invented the touch driven operating system.

Spoiler

In before palm, also in before Apple Fucking Newton

 

[Jenga]

More power to you if that's what you like... but personally I doubt I would have become a smartphone user with mere blackberry-alikes on the market. I was certainly never motivated to get one in the early 2000s.

My mom and a million other normal people that have made smartphones ubiquitous would never have jumped on board either.

your mom and a million other people are freaks

i'll be over here enjoying my immaculate clean screen

 

[Diprosalic]

If you think the iPhone isn't much different from the phones that came before it then... Umm... My mind is full of fuck.

The original iPhone was a well thought out nicely packaged phone and maybe the best one at that time but i had touchscreen only phones with app stores waaaay before that.

Yes he and apple made these things popular but the first iPhone wasnt that much different from others just 'better' in some ways.

 

[Link Man]

so, if i get this right, you're implying that whoever is writing this book is lying?

what are you basing that on?

No, I'm saying that an author is perhaps writing an exploitative biography to cash in on the death of a much beloved celebrity.

 

[kehs]

But that has nothing to do with apple out doing them both with a OS thats purely touch driven. They invented the GSM technology, apple invented the touch driven operating system.

Spoiler

In before palm, also in before Apple Fucking Newton

Apple bought the guys who basically invented capacitive screens, I guess you can call that inventing.

 

[BocoDragon]

your mom and a million other people are freaks

i'll be over here enjoying my immaculate clean screen

But now your stylus is dirty!!

 

[rkn]

The original iPhone was a well thought out nicely packaged phone and maybe the best one at that time but i had touchscreen only phones with app stores waaaay before that.

Yes he and apple made these things popular but the first iPhone wasnt that much different from others just 'better' in some ways.

Just a little bit better than the others. Like a tiny bit.