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[Hitokage]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrA_lm0_ngM&feature=related

Apple actually paid for that visit with stock. Also, from what I've read, the devs at Apple already had a GUI project going, but they had problems the Palo Alto team had solved.

 

[butter_stick]

 

[PSGames]

I'm not a big Apple fan but this makes me love Steve Jobs even more. The passion he had for his products was just insane (in a good way). Only a person with that kind of drive could do all the things he's accomplished in this industry.

 

[-COOLIO-]

I'm not a big Apple fan but this makes me love Steve Jobs even more. The passion he had for his products was just insane (in a good way). Only a person with that kind of drive could do all the things he's accomplished in this industry.

passion for products or ego?

if he were passionate about the product he'd just want it out there in the hands of people.

if he were passionate about taking credit for the product he'd want ownership of the product.

but whos knows what the real story is, this isnt a big deal either way

 

[Joel Was Right]

iOS and Android threads will become a graveyard

 

[water_wendi]

If anyone is surprised by this in anyway they fell for his marketing machine.

 

[lupinko]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im589uTchKs

This sums it up best.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Hopefully this showed up at work early so I can plow through it this weekend. Issacson's previous books have been fantastic, so I expect nothing less from the Jobs book.

 

[BocoDragon]

I'm gonna read the book... and I haven't read anything in a long time. It's gonna sell insanely well.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

I'm gonna read the book... and I haven't read anything in a long time. It's gonna sell insanely well.

You should read The Death Gate Cycle. It will blow your mind.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

I'm gonna read the book... and I haven't read anything in a long time. It's gonna sell insanely well.

It is almost like Jobs planned his death to make the sales of the book better. (I am kidding!)
But the book was going to sell anyways. It was about Jobs, and it was from a well respected and critically lauded biographer. Now you add in the death sales boost and you have an even bigger success.

 

[Joel Was Right]

Steve Jobs: Microsoft copied original Apple Mac with Windows 95, now they’re copying us again

And then of course that important quote: "We have to let go of this notion that for Apple to win, Microsoft has to lose"

 

[BocoDragon]

You should read The Death Gate Cycle. It will blow your mind.

Thanks for killing what free time I had left!

 

[dr3upmushroom]

Cool, I've been debating picking up the book when it comes out, I respect Jobs but I have no interest in the book if it's going to make him out to be some God or whatever the way Apple fanatics do. This isn't exactly passing along anything overly negative in my opinion, but it's good to see the author isn't afraid to display Jobs' aggressiveness at the least.

 

[BocoDragon]

It is almost like Jobs planned his death to make the sales of the book better. (I am kidding!)
But the book was going to sell anyways. It was about Jobs, and it was from a well respected and critically lauded biographer. Now you add in the death sales boost and you have an even bigger success.

The thing is with Jobs' death, I've noticed that everyone is suddenly a casual expert on his life story, even with people who I would have been surprised even knew who he was. He was one of those figures, where even the relatively uninformed quickly got up to speed on the whole story.

It really reminds me of the Michael Jackson phenomenon, where all of a sudden autotune-generation kiddies loaded their iPods with his music.

That kind of personal interest will drive this book's sales through the roof.

 

[immortal-joe]

Success is a hell of a drug

And then of course that important quote: "We have to let go of this notion that for Apple to win, Microsoft has to lose"

yep....success is a hell of a drug

 

[BocoDragon]

Cool, I've been debating picking up the book when it comes out, I respect Jobs but I have no interest in the book if it's going to make him out to be some God or whatever the way Apple fanatics do. This isn't exactly passing along anything overly negative in my opinion, but it's good to see the author isn't afraid to display Jobs' aggressiveness at the least.

According to wikipedia:

"Jobs is said to have encouraged the people interviewed to speak honestly. Although Jobs cooperated with the book, he asked for no control over its content and waived the right to read it before it was published."

So that's good.

 

[Joel Was Right]

I will say that, however, it is tasteless to release a book with such provocative statements by Jobs himself so soon after his death.

 

[nomis]

The first versions of Android especially, were pretty much equivalent to if Steve Jobs had introduced this new product while being a member of the board at Google.

 

[BocoDragon]

I will say that, however, it is tasteless to release a book with such provocative statements by Jobs himself so soon after his death.

This is his official biography. He collaborated with it, and wanted it to be passed on as an honest account of his life. Particularly to his kids.

This is what he wanted. NOT releasing it for reasons of death would be tasteless.

And who's to say he wouldn't be ok with these angry statements over the Android situation? It was only 1.5 years or so ago that these statements were made. He would have probably stood by them.

 

[AstroLad]

And who's to say he wouldn't be ok with these angry statements over the Android situation? It was only 1.5 years or so ago that these statements were made. He would have probably stood by them.

yeah it's pretty clear he was a petulant child all the until the end

 

[BocoDragon]

yeah it's pretty clear he was a petulant child all the until the end

I am immune to being AstroLaded!

 

[Jenga]

I can't look the truth in the eye

tsk tsk

 

[BocoDragon]

tsk tsk

Truth of what?.. Maybe I like that he passionately talked shit about a competitor who ripped off his ideas. It's real talk.

 

[Jenga]

Truth of what?.. Maybe I like that he passionately talked shit about a competitor who ripped off his ideas. It's real talk.

hey i like it when mel gibson gets drunk and makes hilarious rants at random minority groups but i dont defend him for it

 

[Wiktor]

Not surprising. Jobs was incredible marketer, but also a pretty terrible asshole.

 

[Speedymanic]

Sucks for Jobs. To have died knowing that Android was as successful as ever...

If this true of course...

 

[Deleted member 17706]

It really is crazy to see how history repeated itself for Steve and Apple. First the desktop computer OS and then the mobile OS.

 

[Diablos]

Jobs was a visionary but the fact that he basically has a cult following is a bit much. Frankly, I never thought that highly of him.

Going "thermonuclear" on Android until his last breath is just silly. Even though he's gone, you can bet he's instilled in Tim Cook and the rest of the company that they should always have a target on Google's back until they can squeeze as much life out of them as possible. Selfish and stupid. Android is not highway robbery.

 

[Jamesfrom818]

Sucks for Jobs. To have died knowing that Android was as successful as ever...

If this true of course...

I imagine it was like Longshanks dying in Braveheart right after Princess Isabelle tells him that she's pregnant with William Wallace's baby.

Samsung smartphones have outshipped the iPhone in the last quarter

...

 

[Abooie]

You can kind of understand his hatred though.

Google are a parasite who have never had an original idea. They take something someone else has come up with then abuse their online monopoly position to make it number 1.

 

[BocoDragon]

hey i like it when mel gibson gets drunk and makes hilarious rants at random minority groups but i dont defend him for it

You won't defend a crazy rant against a false and vague ethnic enemy? Probably a good idea! Not sure if that's the best analogy though...

When someone goes off on a real enemy, an actual competitor who may have personally wronged you, it's like a rap beef. Should be nothing but popcorn.gif for us on the sidelines.

I'm not standing here moralistically wagging my finger. "Displaying emotion? My word!"

I'm thinking "oh shit! Tupac-style beyond-the-grave dis track!"

 

[Speedymanic]

I imagine it was like Longshanks dying in Braveheart right after Princess Isabelle tells him that she's pregnant with William Wallace's baby.

lol.

You can kind of understand his hatred though.

Google are a parasite who have never had an original idea. They take something someone else has come up with then abuse their online monopoly position to make it number 1.

I'll bite. Do you have any examples of them doing this? Legit examples.

 

[sangreal]

To me, the iphone just seemed like a much nicer Blackberry with a touch screen.

This statement implies that even without the touch screen, the iPhone (at launch) was a nicer Blackberry. Blackberry had GPS, MMS, apps sdk (and a decent set of apps like facebook), push notifications, copy & paste, multi-tasking, etc.

Unless you mean prettier, I will give you that. The allure of the original iPhone was absolutely dependent on the touch screen (and consumer oriented marketing)

 

[Vilam]

Tool with a napoleon complex. Always came across as a mega control freak.

 

[Abooie]

I'll bite. Do you have any examples of them doing this? Legit examples.

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/fairs...eport-googles-alleged-anticompetitive-conduct

•The report claims that a Google executive had earlier admitted that Google favored its own services. In 2007, Google Vice President Marissa Mayer had stated:
•So we had the five top finance sites in their order of their popularity listed there. We roll out Google Finance, we did put the Google link first. It seems only fair, right? We do all the work for the search page and all these other things, so we do put it first… But that has actually been our policy since then because of Finance. So for Google Maps again, it?s the first link.
•MapQuest, which in 2010 had only 32% of the market, down from 57% in 2007. earlier Google displayed links to MapQuest and Yahoo! Maps when a user searched for addresses or locations. In January 2007, the report claims, Google began to bias its search results by removing links to MapQuest and Yahoo! Maps, and instead inserting Google Maps as the top result. MapQuest?s usage share immediately began to drop drastically.
•Most of the “content” that Google provides in its sites such as Google Places, Google News, Google Maps is not generated by Google through its own investment. Google scrapes the content developed by other websites and displays it on a Google page, says the report. This enables Google to earn advertising revenues. The recent dispute between TripAdvisor, Yelp and others and Google is a case in focus.
•Recently, Google acknowledged that it manually manipulated its search engine results, sometimes on a site-specific basis, after denying for years that it engaged in the practice. There is little standing between Google manipulating its search algorithm to remove sites like Amazon, eBay, and Expedia from Google?s natural search results – even though those sites depend on Google for traffic.

 

[Adamm]

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/fairs...eport-googles-alleged-anticompetitive-conduct

Not going to start arguing whether any of that is true or not.
But that doesnt show them stealing products, it shows them being anti-competative (if even)

 

[Deleted member 1235]

He actually said that? what a dick(if he said that)

Despite his angel aura, Jobs was actually a bit of a hardass business dude by most accounts.

You can kind of understand his hatred though.

Google are a parasite who have never had an original idea. They take something someone else has come up with then abuse their online monopoly position to make it number 1.

way overstating things. Google and most other world leader companies are guilty of this kind of thing, but 'never had an original idea' is going too far.

 

[Diablos]

Tech companies are all the proof we need that US patent law needs to be fundamentally reformed. It's ridiculous. You can get sued over damn near anything. Huge threat to innovation.

Google isn't that awful. They took all the search engines that were popular from the 90's and made them suck less, plus threw in lots of bells and whistles like word processing and e-mail. Who fucking cares?

 

[amrihua]

As much as I want to see Android slow down and would rather see Windows Phone grow more market share, no one can stop the Android train not even Google. If Android will be ever destroyed, it wont be Apple or Microsoft. It will be from within, all the forks (Amazon, Baidu, ...) will destroy it eventually.

Is this an indication that apple's behavior with patents is/was more motivated by ego than by greed?

More motivated by a feeling of betrayal by Google.

 

[Speedymanic]

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/fairs...eport-googles-alleged-anticompetitive-conduct

Yeah, none of that is them being parasitic thieves.

As Adamm quite rightly said, that's them being anti-competitive, but even that's a stretch. And which company out there isn't anti-competitive at some point? Hell, you could probably level that accusation at Apple...

 

[DarkFlow]

Oh god i owned that piece of shit holds only like 50 songs lol. The irony that google owns them, and the last good phone they made was the razr.

Okay now your just Trolling. The OG Droid is what set Android on it's path today.

 

[Raitosaito]

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/fairs...eport-googles-alleged-anticompetitive-conduct

lol I remember watching a congressional hearing over these actions. (Sorry, I find politics interesting.)

I have nothing against Google, but the company doesn't see individuals as consumers, just people they can serve ads to. Collecting and amassing data from their users in any way possible. These actions are not a surprise to me, and should be another reason why people shouldn't get attach to a corporation on some weird personal level, as if they were the person's bestfriend or something.

 

[Hyuga]

All i can say is Fuck Yes Steve

Check this quote, ladies and gentlemen, .... and you see what's wrong in this world

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Tech companies are all the proof we need that US patent law needs to be fundamentally reformed. It's ridiculous. You can get sued over damn near anything. Huge threat to innovation.

Google isn't that awful. They took all the search engines that were popular from the 90's and made them suck less, plus threw in lots of bells and whistles like word processing and e-mail. Who fucking cares?

Lots of people do.

What is with people like you who try and reduce people's accomplishments to a couple of words and pretend like they are insignificant.

 

[Abooie]

Not going to start arguing whether any of that is true or not.
But that doesnt show them stealing products, it shows them being anti-competative (if even)

It's more stealing ideas.

Look, as a consumer I'm torn. I love google maps and directions for free on my wifes Desire and we use it all the time, but where does that leave all the other mapping companies? First off they stole all the best ideas of how to implent mapping and then abused their position by a) subsidising it off their search/advertising revenue business and b) promoting it through their search monopoly as the number 1 solution.

Returning back to the OP, when I got my Galaxy S I'll admit the first thing I thought was holy shit does this look like an iPhone. I didn't really care, but there's homage and there's downright copying.

 

[johnFkennedy]

Why is no one questioning the source?

This is an unauthorized biography people. Don't take everything in this book as fact.

 

[Diablos]

Lots of people do.

What is with people like you who try and reduce people's accomplishments to a couple of words and pretend like they are insignificant.

They're not insignificant, but to credit Google with performing 'highway robbery' is ridiculous. The tech industry is a huge orgy of innovation where people are basically indirectly stealing each other's ideas and building upon them in their own ways, whether they want to admit it or not. I'm sure even iOS got ideas from somewhere other than Steve Jobs' big head.

 

[Raitosaito]

Why is no one questioning the source?

This is an unauthorized biography people. Don't take everything in this book as fact.

It's authorized.....

Steve gave 3 dozen interviews for this book.

 

[Speedymanic]

It's more stealing ideas.

Look, as a consumer I'm torn. I love google maps and directions for free on my wifes Desire and we use it all the time, but where does that leave all the other mapping companies? First off they stole all the best ideas of how to implent mapping and then abused their position by a) subsidising it off their search/advertising revenue business and b) promoting it through their search monopoly as the number 1 solution.

Returning back to the OP, when I got my Galaxy S I'll admit the first thing I thought was holy shit does this look like an iPhone. I didn't really care, but there's homage and there's downright copying.

They didn't steal anything. Repeating it won't suddenly make it true.

What other map service offers street view? what other map service goes into as much detail as Google maps? Provide legitimate examples of them 'stealing' ideas, if you can't, stop claiming something that is not true.