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[Stoffinator]

He was a great innovator and visionary but he was always an asshole that used people to his own gain.
I never really have had much respect for him as a person.

He was a hypocrite that wanted to control people under his own rules.
This was seen in his personal life as well as the way apple thought towards consumers request and desires. Not caring what they want and just building what they want you to want.

As a business person yes very successful, but as a person his actions were not what I'd put in a role model.


I know my view might not be loved around these parts but it's just my opinion. The industry needed him to grow and it's a better place now because of him. There's no other way to look at that though, regardless of how anyone feels about the Guy.

That is pretty much how I saw Steve Jobs as well. Apple for that matter.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

It's going to be interesting to see how the market share changes going forward now that the iPhone is available on multiple carriers in just about every region and isn't limited to GSM anymore. Furthermore, plenty of people who initially went with Android for a variety of reasons are now having their contracts expire. Anecdotally speaking, everyone I know who got an OG Droid as their first smartphone are jumping ship with the release of the 4S (myself included).

 

[Raitosaito]

No need to put words in my mouth. Obviously the iphone had a big impact. It brought the smartphone to the American masses among with the Blackberry.

and due to the iphone multi touch and capacitive screens are standard on smart phones today. Apple also designed the first usable on screen keyboard.

However these are all evolutionary steps. Ask these rabid apple fanboys and they'll tell you that the iphone was the first smartphone period.


How would you explain Android's success in Europe then?


Android users are not superior per se. But they don't go around calling Android God's gift to mankind either.

And lol at claiming to not be a deluded Apple fanboy and then in the same post claiming that Apple reinvented mobile email. You can't make this shit up.

You are still making sweeping generalization about Android and iPhone users once again.
The "You can't make this shit up" statement fits yourself more than anyone here because of your assumption on someone base on people's mobile phone of choice.

And on the subject of technological evolution. I remember only 2 years ago a CD at Android said "Multitouch is not important." Now they have adopted it. They could have advance one finger touch control in the route of "swipe" technology. It's a paradigm shift, and you can assume they would have happened on their own without Apple, but I highly doubt it.

Also, I never knew giving a credit to something makes me a fanboy. No company is worth devotion, but you have given it to Google, and it's sad. My first smartphone was a God damn G1, I still own Android phones, and handsets with other mobile OS, which probably gives me enough common sense to not make dumb statements that characterize someone base on their phone of choice.

It's simple. I feel like the iPhone set precedents for some things, and you feel like some of them exist and function just as well before Apple came along, which I disagree with and that's ok. Stop reading more into it.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Ask these rabid apple fanboys and they'll tell you that the iphone was the first smartphone period.

Android users are not superior per se. But they don't go around calling Android God's gift to mankind either.

Find a quote of anyone here saying this about Apple.

I think there's this switch that gets flipped in people's brains when someone praises Apple. Praise another company = normal. Praise Apple = they're just fanboys kneeling in front of Saint Jobs or some shit. Words, meaning, context, semantics, implications, and nuance all get thrown out the window because something good was said about Apple.

 

[DR3AM]

ot: is flash ever coming to the ipad/iphone?

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

You mad?

Spoiler

Really?

He *was* a hypocrite and a douche. He was also a genius and amzing. Why to people want to be so reductionist?

 

[Divvy]

ot: is flash ever coming to the ipad/iphone?

The saying goes "never say never" but in this case, never.

 

[Technosteve]

He *was* a hypocrite and a douche. He was also a genius and amzing. Why to people want to be so reductionist?

You mad too?

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

You mad too?

No, not at all. Go read any of the elaborate posts I made defending Jobs as visionary and important in his obit thread.

Again with the reductionist thinking. If I think Jobs was a douche (a pretty well-documented view of the man) then somehow I don't respect him properly or something? And I'm not saying he didn't have some strong positives in his personality as well, just that he hard a lot of well-known darker stuff, too.

 

[Jimrpg]

just realised that the steve jobs book is $9.99 now on iBooks. BONUS i preordered two weeks ago when it was $19.99 pretty sure they'll charge me at the lower price point!

 

[beanoboy7]

just realised that the steve jobs book is $9.99 now on iBooks. BONUS i preordered two weeks ago when it was $19.99 pretty sure they'll charge me at the lower price point!

It's $16.99

 

[Kapsama]

Find a quote of anyone here saying this about Apple.

I think there's this switch that gets flipped in people's brains when someone praises Apple. Praise another company = normal. Praise Apple = they're just fanboys kneeling in front of Saint Jobs or some shit. Words, meaning, context, semantics, implications, and nuance all get thrown out the window because something good was said about Apple.

the other guy I'm quoting just asserted that apple reinvented mobile email. And that's just from the last page. No need to play coy. you know exactly what I mean.

Also all praise isn't equal. People only lose their shit when the praise is full of inaccuracies.

You are still making sweeping generalization about Android and iPhone users once again.
The "You can't make this shit up" statement fits yourself more than anyone here because of your assumption on someone base on people's mobile phone of choice.

And on the subject of technological evolution. I remember only 2 years ago a CD at Android said "Multitouch is not important." Now they have adopted it. They could have advance one finger touch control in the route of "swipe" technology. It's a paradigm shift, and you can assume they would have happened on their own without Apple, but I highly doubt it.

Also, I never knew giving a credit to something makes me a fanboy. No company is worth devotion, but you have given it to Google, and it's sad. My first smartphone was a God damn G1, I still own Android phones, and handsets with other mobile OS, which probably gives me enough common sense to not make dumb statements that characterize someone base on their phone of choice.

It's simple. I feel like the iPhone set precedents for some things, and you feel like some of them exist and function just as well before Apple came along, which I disagree with and that's ok. Stop reading more into it.

I don't know about multi touch. I don't think anyone even thought about what apple did with it.so that's definitely an apple contribution. But if it were truly a bulletproof concept apple could use that patent to squeeze htc and samsung. Instead they're having to rely in parents from the 80s and design similarities. Besides apple didn't invent mt, it only bought it.

but your claim regarding mobile emails is still ludicrous.

 

[Raitosaito]

but your claim regarding mobile emails is still ludicrous.

http://www.contactology.com/blog/contactology/what-does-an-email-look-like-on-a-blackberry/

That was email clients on mobile in 2007. I don't even want to touch WinMo email client. Uggh

Yeah, the mail client was missing a ton of features for its time, and hell it probably decrease productivity. But it displayed a variety of attachments in a more native way, and the navigation of mail was much more user friendly.

It's probably more due to the interface than anything else, so I'll concede that they didn't bring any new features to the table on mobile mail.

And the multitouch thing, I don't even understand what you are trying to say? They bought out fingerworks, now is their patent....so they own it, and now it's their technology. That means they set a precedent when they released the product with technology they owned. From what I'm reading you are implying that it's wrong. Google buys everything in sight, and so does Apple and Microsoft.

Edit: I am now a member!

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I had a better email client that the native iPhone app that dropped when the iPhone was introduced. That's not somehting Apple particularly improved upon.

 

[Kapsama]

And the multitouch thing, I don't even understand what you are trying to say? They bought out fingerworks, now is their patent....so they own it, and now it's their technology. That means they set a precedent when they released the product with technology they owned. From what I'm reading you are implying that it's wrong.

I'm not saying its wrong. I'm saying that it was an Apple contribution no doubt. But not as paradigm shifting as you imagine. An outside company invented multi touch, so is it so difficult to imagine another company might have thought of other multi touch implementations?

 

[Lucky Forward]

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