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Stock-Age: Stocks, Options and Dividends oh my!

CrankyJay

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This is awesome, thanks for sharing. I'll keep an eye out for Part 2.

Unrelated, but I'm up about 4% for this year in unrealized gains, dividends not included. My portfolio and net worth as a whole are at an all-time high. I hope the markets are doing well for all of you too.

I love car manufacturing videos...I've seen the ones for Porsche and Ferrari and it's just an amazing, clean, efficient streamlined process. It's art.

And when you get a manufacturing system in place like this, that's where you increase your margins, which TSLA is hoping to achieve. Their goal is to be as good or better than Porsche's.
 

Ether_Snake

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SCTY down 7% before earnings, EA up 16%.

edit: it was down 11%, now up 7% in AH, bet it will go lower tomorrow

edit: TSLA down too on earnings, which doesn't appear to make sense when you look at the report. I still think the company is over valued at 24B. You'd have to be extremely confident to project such a market cap, considering Honda is at 60B.

edit: Down 11%. I think it would be more appropriately priced with another 30% drop, at around 125.
 

Smiley90

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This is awesome, thanks for sharing. I'll keep an eye out for Part 2.

Unrelated, but I'm up about 4% for this year in unrealized gains, dividends not included. My portfolio and net worth as a whole are at an all-time high. I hope the markets are doing well for all of you too.

Same (well, 4.5% now), but it's funny how basically ALL of those gains came in February. Even for January, -0.5% for March, -1% for April but up 5% in February.
 

mjontrix

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This might be your chance to get in on TWTR now...37.77 in pre-market trading. I'd imagine they will change things to make money...

Risky - what can they actually do? Tweets are easy to ignore so sponsored tweets are out. Video tweets same issue.

Only thing they could do is data mine all their tweets and find trends then target individuals but twitter has a lot of noise compared to FB.

Retargetting maybe?
 

No Love

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Had a great last week + this week. Up $10k last week (SMVR + URNH), $7k yesterday (SKYF), and $2k (FROZ, bought before EOD and sold at opening bell on gap up)today. On a nice little roll. Bought UTRM today and will sell on the gap tomorrow, not sure if it'll gap and run or gap and trap but either way that'll be another easy $2-4k depending on how it acts. If I'm lucky it'll just run up to 70's/80's.

Gonna start doing options trading... that's where the big money is. Anyone else do options?
 

Ether_Snake

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I was looking at some companies, and I noticed ORB (Orbital Sciences Corp, develops space rockets) is only worth 1.7B. I'm guessing Elon Musk will likely try to make SpaceX go public. There's certainly some obstacles, but if ORB can be public I'm guessing SpaceX will have no trouble doing the same. I wouldn't want to be taking a ride on that stock though, everyone's uncle will be jumping in day one thinking "space mining gold will be huge and I totally wanted to buy some Tesla but it jumped before I could!".
 
Tempted to jump on ARM. Stock is currently losing steam (but company is still doing well, and forecast to do even better in 2H14), down 20% YTD at 861p, still trading at about 30x Forward P/E, though...
 

Smiley90

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It's a bit amusing that my Value ETF is my best performer and my Momentum ETF (same company) is my worst performer among ALL the ETFs I have money in. (okay that's a lie, biotech is doing worse atm, but still.)

even my bond funds are doing better than the momentum one.
 

alejob

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Had a great last week + this week. Up $10k last week (SMVR + URNH), $7k yesterday (SKYF), and $2k (FROZ, bought before EOD and sold at opening bell on gap up)today. On a nice little roll. Bought UTRM today and will sell on the gap tomorrow, not sure if it'll gap and run or gap and trap but either way that'll be another easy $2-4k depending on how it acts. If I'm lucky it'll just run up to 70's/80's.

Gonna start doing options trading... that's where the big money is. Anyone else do options?
I've been playing options for a little while. I don't get why you would say that it's where the big money is. I guess it depends on your strategy.
 

Ether_Snake

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Growth stocks like AMZN, TSLA, DDD, GOOG, etc., all took a huge beating recently while the markets are at all time highs. To me the valuations look much better on a lot of them.
 

No Love

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I've been playing options for a little while. I don't get why you would say that it's where the big money is. I guess it depends on your strategy.

Sorry, just saw this. I am playing weekly options and daytrading them. Made about $4k today doing it... my first big day. I focus entirely on Facebook because the movements are extremely predictable.
 

Ether_Snake

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I have shares in 3 of these, and they're still dropping ;_;

Same here, down 19 and 18% on DDD and SSYS, and 13% on AMZN. But I'm holding on, I have faith long term. I'll keep adding to AMZN as I do with the rest of my portfolio, but I can't for DDD and SSYS because the position is already overweight in relation to the rest. I'm invested in GOOG too but I'm up 2% on that. Bought it at the same time as AAPL and that one is up 15%.

edit: good rise today for DDD and SSYS.
 
Bought into Apple a few weeks back. Rollercoaster of dropping $10 then jumping back up to over $600. Keep climbing son.

Put a small amount into Stem Inc due to successful trials. Dropped 17c from 1.50.... hopefully rebounds and climbs in June with some news and lawsuits going their way.

I'll be dabbling into penny stocks soon. One I missed the boat on PPCH. 19c a share, already up to 42c with 2015 cancer drug trials announced.
 

Ether_Snake

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Sold all my AAPL for around 18% gain. Added a bit to Google, for short-term potential growth. Rebalanced th rest.
 

mackaveli

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Sold all my AAPL for around 18% gain. Added a bit to Google, for short-term potential growth. Rebalanced th rest.

I've just been doing calls for Apple lately and they have been paying off tremendously.

Do any of you guys chat about stocks amongst eachother?

I'd like to bounce ideas with people to get more ideas or expand my trading options etc.,

Google has been great this past week. Got into some call spreads into September and they are looking good so far.

What's everyone's take on DDD and the 2ndary offering? Took a 5% hit in after hours so far. Usually stocks who do 2ndary go down further. Wait to see if it goes back down to the $41 low's before buying again?
 

mackaveli

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^ I'd be down for a GAF stock trading sort of club. It was suggested a while ago in this thread.

Sign me up.

I'm not good with this sort of thing but would participate.

I use stocktwits.com to get charts and other things for day trading etc., but I want to expand my knowledge especially with stocks I'm not too familiar with or industries to try and make money off of.

I pretty much trade during market hours every day lol.
 

Barzul

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I'm trying to get into this, and I'm willing to put in the time and effort to learn the stock market. I just some quick questions is the information in the OP still completely relevant seeing as the thread was started in 07 especially for stuff like the best online trading website to use and such? Are there any resources that can help me really get to speed that might not be in the OP? Thanks in advance. Everything worth it seems overwhelming at first is what I've come to learn and this seems no different.
 

Ether_Snake

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Selling right before the split? I dunno, man

Meh, we'll see, I'll buy again on a drop.

What's everyone's take on DDD and the 2ndary offering? Took a 5% hit in after hours so far. Usually stocks who do 2ndary go down further. Wait to see if it goes back down to the $41 low's before buying again?

It will probably go lower, the stock being very volatile.
 
You guys think banks are still undervalued? I dove in back in 2012 and my positions have all doubled since then, but obviously, right? Market recovery and all that. But would you say they still have some room to rise significantly?
 

mackaveli

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You guys think banks are still undervalued? I dove in back in 2012 and my positions have all doubled since then, but obviously, right? Market recovery and all that. But would you say they still have some room to rise significantly?

Yeah banks are undervalued on a P/E basis but who knows if it will ever get the multiple it did pre-financial crisis again. Also on Price per book value most I believe are trading under their actual book value ie, citigroup, bac,

Bond rates are low compared to 6 months ago at 2.5% or less which hurts the banks. I grabbed a couple of banks yesterday (small positions) and will add more when I see rates rise above 2.75% and 3% probably or around there as the banks can earn more.
 

CFMOORE!

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what are your guy's thoughts on the upcoming GoPro IPO? Looking at the financials released as a result seem fairly positive and i feel like their growth is going to continue in terms of media creation along with their mainline camera business.

but, i suck at a lot of this stuff so i am wondering whatever the brains in this thread think. good long term hold potential?
 

CrankyJay

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what are your guy's thoughts on the upcoming GoPro IPO? Looking at the financials released as a result seem fairly positive and i feel like their growth is going to continue in terms of media creation along with their mainline camera business.

but, i suck at a lot of this stuff so i am wondering whatever the brains in this thread think. good long term hold potential?

Never buy IPO. Wait a good 6 months for price to come back down. See TWTR as an example.
 

Ether_Snake

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GoPro IPO? Unless there is something I don't know of, I can't see why they would be faced with a lot of competition. Seems ridiculous to me for a camera equipment company to go public nowadays.
 

Ether_Snake

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I've come to the conclusion that I really don't like Warren Buffet. I saw an interview with him, the guy says he is short on time because he's old so the interview has to be quick, and yet he is still trying to make more money at his age while downing I don't know how many Coca-Colas a day.

This guy has no idea what to do with his money so he just gave it all to Bill Gates to figure it out for him. I mean really, you can't even actually take the time to think about the causes to which it could go, so you just give it to that other rich guy who has a foundation? And meanwhile, you're stressing about having little time left but still spending your time investing in some companies trying to get some more successes? Oh look I gave all my money to a foundation, that makes me good. Yeah right, he just has no idea what to do with it, he's just addicted to a game, same way he is to Coke.

Then I see someone like Elon Musk; young, rich, yet he's someone who believes his money is only a mean to an end, and that end is to change the world for the best. He has embarked in some of the most risky sectors, either directly or indirectly; solar energy, electric cars, space exploration. He's trying to sue the Pentagon and Co. for keeping the space industrial sector a closed industry when it could have progressed much more by not blocking competition.

People like Buffet because they identify to him, they want to think they can hit it big too. But I really hope people will recognize Musk for what he's done, he's so much more inspiring, and has already done more for human progress than Buffet has in his whole life.
 

Husker86

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Umm, I guess I can see why you like Musk over Buffett, but...are you really saying a guy that has given many billions to charity is unworthy of praise?

His skill is making a ton of money through investments, Musk is an innovator of technology.

Buffett can't be Musk.
 

East Lake

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I get what you're saying Ether but it's probably not that bad an outcome. Gates is more experienced with philanthropy, is 25 years younger, and has a guy who invests for him so he can focus on donating. Not that Gates has it all figured out but the money is probably better in his hands. He could have given it all to his kids.
 

Ether_Snake

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My point is Buffet doesn't know what to do with his money. It's one thing to say that he'll give money to Gates' foundation, but he basically said he's giving it all to his foundation because he wouldn't know where to put it. I find that a bit pathetic that you spend all your life to make billions, and you never stop to try and understand the world you live in and how that money can be used to improve it. I can't imagine Buffet actually is giving his money to the Gates foundation because of its cause, but rather just because it's the foundation of his friend. He couldn't even make the effort to research this, just "Ah you got some foundation, people praise you for it, here's all the money!". You don't hear Buffet talking about polio.

And yet I see stuff like Green Bronx Machine (which has since been kicked out of the school it was operating from and is now on its own) that do so much to get marginalized kids out of poverty with such simple means, yet nobody knows about Stephen Ritz. Buffet is sad, his talks on wealth distribution haven't been back by action, and yet he has enough money to do something about it.

Also, Musk is an investor, he just brings up the projects forward himself, but it's not like everything is on his shoulders, he's basically a director. SpaceX will take a lot of his time, but so does Tesla, and I'm sure he'll get involved in some other things in parallel in the near-future. He's a Kickstarter really.
 

Ourobolus

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A few people at work are saying that 3D Printing companies are expected to do well, specifically DDD, SSYS, and XONE - any credence to this idea?
 

Ether_Snake

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Highly volatile industry, likely buyouts eventually, but who knows really. I think it makes a lot of sense that the sector will grow, but when it comes to picking specific companies, who knows. I've prefer SSYS's financials, but I'm equally invested in it and DDD. I am looking in decreasing the weight of both eventually as I accumulated more than I should have some time ago so I can't add on dips. I'm down 16% on both.
 

FreezeSSC

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anyone here been following the fannie mae debacle?? its been exciting to say the least, obviously i own shares so I'm pro fnma but now that the court case is getting underway things are really beginning to move!
 

DrSlek

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I'm starting to think of augmenting my income in the long term through investment (I should have started 10 years ago, but it never occurred to me in my teens). Obviously I'd want to look at something relatively safe. I'm thinking of investing in government treasury bonds, or indexed government treasury bonds. Maybe buying one bond per week/fortnight with a 10 year maturation cycle. I'm new to the investment game, and government bonds seem to be the safest option for a newcomer.

Ideally, I'd have an additional quarterly income of $500+ at minimum after 20-30 years and what would amount to a nest-egg of $50000+.

Thoughts/Concerns? Pros/Cons?
 

CrankyJay

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I'm starting to think OLED could double in the next 6 months. Last 4 quarters have been beats on growth and raise in estimates.

They might soon sign a long term contract with LG. LG is rumored to be manufacturing the flex screens for Apple's iWatch and they estimate they will churn out 5 million OLED TV panels in 2015. Wow.

At the very least stick this in your paper accounts or on your watch lists.
 

Husker86

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I've been investing for a little while now but just came up with what I assume is a completely newbie type of question.

How are dividends handled in mutual funds? Are they just converted to more "shares"? I was an index fund person, but switched to Fidelity's S&P500 mutual fund so I don't have to worry about being able to buy full shares.
 

Piecake

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I've been investing for a little while now but just came up with what I assume is a completely newbie type of question.

How are dividends handled in mutual funds? Are they just converted to more "shares"? I was an index fund person, but switched to Fidelity's S&P500 mutual fund so I don't have to worry about being able to buy full shares.

You mean you switched from etfs to mutual funds? Usually they give you the option to either reinvest it (meaning more shares) or not (funneled to your money market account or wherever your money goes). My mutual funds have some crazy decimals thanks to dividend reinvestment and me buying like 5k of it and not whole shares.

I'm starting to think of augmenting my income in the long term through investment (I should have started 10 years ago, but it never occurred to me in my teens). Obviously I'd want to look at something relatively safe. I'm thinking of investing in government treasury bonds, or indexed government treasury bonds. Maybe buying one bond per week/fortnight with a 10 year maturation cycle. I'm new to the investment game, and government bonds seem to be the safest option for a newcomer.

Ideally, I'd have an additional quarterly income of $500+ at minimum after 20-30 years and what would amount to a nest-egg of $50000+.

Thoughts/Concerns? Pros/Cons?

You might want to check out this thread http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=749978&highlight=

I would read up on index funds and the like and that might make you feel more comfortable in investing them, because honestly, government bonds do not give a very good return. Personally, I feel that stock index funds are safe over the long term. They simply get risky in the short term. Even then though, its basically impossible that you would lose all (or even close to that) your money.
 
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