Random supers have nothing to do with health. I don't see the comparison.
You get in through a solid ground game. Jumps are already too strong in this game.
Decided to play the game today since I hadn't touched it all weekend and it was one horrible fight after another. Battle lounge is full of Ryu walls, ranked was stuffed full of Ryu walls and a mashy Nash that pissed me the hell off. I lost my silver rank but got it back exactly at 2000 LP. I don't think I can tolerate this sort of online where 90% of my matches will be against Ryus playing like a wall with their hadoukens, parries, dragon punches and super hard hitting basic combos. Getting in on him feels impossible. It made me think there is no way I'll pay for Alex because without his air stampede/stomp it's just a battle of attrition. The worst must have been the game disconnecting during the beginning of the third round of a ranked Karen mirror match that probably looked like a rage quit to my opponent. What a disappointing night. I never thought Ryu could bring me so much grief.
Based on my experience the current system is overly harsh and the vast majority of players will stay bronze as a result. When I was trying to work my way up I got 2-3 six win streaks against bronze/super bronze players, but a couple of losses would wipe out my winnings pretty quickly. The only reason I got to Silver rank was winning a few matches against silver and super silvers that dole out a good amount of points.
It's definitely a harsh system. The trophies and lack of penalties just exacerbates the issue.
Your problem with super armor on moves is that even if your press a button that would normally kill, the armor will go through it (saving the opponent from death) and still hit you. Like i said, it's no stupider than a super doing the exact same thing.
If your opponent has meter and they've been playing risky/have nothing to lose at that point, you could just block, jump, throw out a move that hits twice, or not press as many buttons when they have meter.
all ryu can do is turtle. he has zero offensive usefulness unless you can parry everything with 100% success rate while rushing. his moves have zero priority, he has the worst get up move of all the characters who have one, the shortest range on his attacks, the most useless special moves and super art, his v trigger is fucking worthless, using his v skill takes 100000x more skill than other fighters, and his recovery time for everything is just brutally long
all ryu can do is turtle. he has zero offensive usefulness unless you can parry everything with 100% success rate while rushing. his moves have zero priority, he has the worst get up move of all the characters who have one, the shortest range on his attacks, the most useless special moves and super art, his v trigger is fucking worthless, using his v skill takes 100000x more skill than other fighters, and his recovery time for everything is just brutally long
How so? An Anti air leads to your opponent gaining the momentum. Most AA->Dash leads to frame advantage. Jumps are just fine as they are.
I think there's a difference between invincibility and a system that potentially gives a person more health than they have to preserve armor.
This has nothing to do with skill, losing or winning. I've never mentioned it because it has nothing to do with what I'm saying. This isn't a "git gud" argument. I just think it's a stupid mechanic that will potentially allow a person to gamble with more health than they've got.
I feel like in SFIV jumping in against some characters really put your life on the line while in this game the worst you'll get is 60-100 damage and some frame advantage against you lol. The risk/reward is sometimes in the jumping players favour IMO
1) He has normals that have frame advatage.
2) No such thing as priority
3) Having a DP means a lot. Whats wrong with Ryus? Many need meter and even then they whiff if you neutral jump.
4) Wtf?
all ryu can do is turtle. he has zero offensive usefulness unless you can parry everything with 100% success rate while rushing. his moves have zero priority, he has the worst get up move of all the characters who have one, the shortest range on his attacks, the most useless special moves and super art, his v trigger is fucking worthless, using his v skill takes 100000x more skill than other fighters, and his recovery time for everything is just brutally long
I feel like in SFIV jumping in against some characters really put your life on the line while in this game the worst you'll get is 60-100 damage and some frame advantage against you lol. The risk/reward is sometimes in the jumping players favour IMO
I'm not making this a "git gud' argument. Gambling is a big part of SF, and I'm struggling to see how it's stupid. Characters like Cammy have an invincible reversal that's usually a big gamble, but so when Mika and Laura have a move that's good for reversals (each with it's own different advantages and disadvantages) suddenly it's stupid?
I feel like in SFIV jumping in against some characters really put your life on the line while in this game the worst you'll get is 60-100 damage and some frame advantage against you lol. The risk/reward is sometimes in the jumping players favour IMO
his dragon punch is close to useless as a getup move, its only useful for people who jump into you, which is no one half decent.
I feel like in SFIV jumping in against some characters really put your life on the line while in this game the worst you'll get is 60-100 damage and some frame advantage against you lol. The risk/reward is sometimes in the jumping players favour IMO
2) No such thing as priority
I feel like in SFIV jumping in against some characters really put your life on the line while in this game the worst you'll get is 60-100 damage and some frame advantage against you lol. The risk/reward is sometimes in the jumping players favour IMO
all ryu can do is turtle. he has zero offensive usefulness unless you can parry everything with 100% success rate while rushing. his moves have zero priority, he has the worst get up move of all the characters who have one, the shortest range on his attacks, the most useless special moves and super art, his v trigger is fucking worthless, using his v skill takes 100000x more skill than other fighters, and his recovery time for everything is just brutally long
I feel like in SFIV jumping in against some characters really put your life on the line while in this game the worst you'll get is 60-100 damage and some frame advantage against you lol. The risk/reward is sometimes in the jumping players favour IMO
His DP is one of the few invul wake up moves in the game. No way is it close to useless.
I can allow the rest, but no. I do way more damage with Ryu's CA than anybody except Birdie. You can combo into it from any special move and many normals and the hitbox has enough vert that you can even anti air with it if you're feeling fancy. The startup is a bit slow though.
I think we're early enough that play style is still subjective. I rush down more with Ryu and sit back / punish more with Cammy than the usual player. His normals are nice and meaty, and I rarely if ever drop even his longer combos because they're pretty easy.
So it feels more like Street Fighter then? Good.
Then take away the white health on armor moves. /shrug
I'm not complaining about the reversal or its armor.
Ucchedavāda;198344113 said:Not entirely true, in that lights < mediums < heavies = specials < CAs, in the case of two attacks trading.
its not invul.
Yea but that is something across the board. Not really specific to Ryu. I just meant theres no such thing as Chun li has 10 priority while Ryu has 2 or something.
So it feels more like Street Fighter then? Good.
I don't know if I want to pick up another character so early in its infancy
its not invul.
maybe i mixed up v trigger and v skill. i mean his charge fireball is useless and his parry takes a mind boggling level of skill to be effective. his mp is okay in terms of recovery time but that shit gets out ranged and out framed by nearly every single attack in the game. and almost every character other than ryu can string together near endless attacks of a variety of type with little to no recovery time. crouching HK is about the only exception. the ones that do have some recovery time are few and far between and often leave the fighter out of range for ryu to do any real damage anyway.
his dragon punch is close to useless as a getup move, its only useful for people who jump into you, which is no one half decent.
What are you talking about , MP DP has invinc on first active Frame.
His charge fireball is used to mixup timings. It's not wonderful but it does the job.
If you think his DP is useless...boy, try playing someone without any invincible moves. Like half the cast.
oh wait, this is the guy who refused to believe MP DP has invincibility. No point then
His charge fireball is used to mixup timings. It's not wonderful but it does the job.
If you think his DP is useless...boy, try playing someone without any invincible moves. Like half the cast.
oh wait, this is the guy who refused to believe MP DP has invincibility. No point then
How do I defend a cross up with ryu? If I don't get the block off, I usually get combo to death.
You get in through a solid ground game. Jumps are already too strong in this game.
Anti-airs should be made better across the board.
He literally just needs to watch one video of Valle playing Ryu to learn how to rush it down with him.
i get hit out of and hit other ryus out of it all the time
I feel like in SFIV jumping in against some characters really put your life on the line while in this game the worst you'll get is 60-100 damage and some frame advantage against you lol. The risk/reward is sometimes in the jumping players favour IMO
Agreed with this alllllllll the way.
What am i reading? Every SF game has been like this though. You guys are seriously underestimating giving the momentum to the other player. Sometimes you can even go mixup with a dash under.Yup.
They should have cribbed even more from SFxT and had juggle state on aerial counter hit.
i get hit out of and hit other ryus out of it all the time
Doesn't Valle use Rashid now tho
How do I defend a cross up with ryu? If I don't get the block off, I usually get combo to death.
They should have cribbed even more from SFxT and had juggle state on aerial counter hit.
What am i reading? Every SF game has been like this though. You guys are seriously underestimating giving the momentum to the other player. Sometimes you can even go mixup with a dash under.
It is like saying landing a sweep on a whiffed poke is useless because all it does is give you frame advantage and 60-100 damage. Does that make whiff punishing pointless?
Winning through input errors feels...bad.
Could not disagree with you more.
Anti-airs are fine, jumping in is bad and some of the anti-airs in this game rival USF4 Elena with hitbox stupidity. A normal anti-air should never, ever beat a cross-up. Ever.
What am i reading? Every SF game has been like this though. You guys are seriously underestimating giving the momentum to the other player. Sometimes you can even go mixup with a dash under.
It is like saying landing a sweep on a whiffed poke is useless because all it does is give you frame advantage and 60-100 damage. Does that make whiff punishing pointless?
I beat one Laura
So the game made me fight like 5 lauras until I lost to one
pls capcom
not this character